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The earth is NOT 6000 years old.

 
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The atmosphere of earth was destroyed in the confrontation (so the theory goes) and God began anew with human beings.
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The fallen angels were put into the Pit is the 40 days the windows of the Ark was closed. The battle was the cause of the wind and waves


De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:
from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Ge:8:1:
And God remembered Noah,
and every living thing,
and all the cattle that was with him in the ark:
and God made a wind to pass over the earth,
and the waters asswaged;

The sin in Ge:3 was the first sin, the 'rebellion' came as Jude explains, after women were around so that is after 4,000BC but before 2500BC. Sites built before that would never have had any man visit it unless it was Adam alone and it would seem that Adam stayed in the Garden area. Men would have been there in the time before the flood but they arrived after some structures were already made in giant stone structures.
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The main problem in your reply to my well crafted, and almost irrefutable, evidence filled post. Is that you've found yourself backed into a conceptual wall, being able to only use broad terms, which are the basis of stories that are again, not original to the bible. Terms like
'Great flood', 'the garden', men with only first names, with no historical record outside of this one source, ect. These terms confine you to create a timeline not based on the principles of discovery, inquiry, or logic, but a timeline that one can only fill in using extraordinary events that no man has seen or measured. Basically, magic.
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Not at all, from when forests existed (40MYA) to when creation stopped (40,000BC)it progressed in the same steps tha Mt, St. Helens took for its recovery.The 4 beast with each having faces were the seeds that started 3 lines of life that changed through adaptation to local condition, that is specialization rather than random, The way the Bible introduces whales leaves it open for the consideration that a bird fell into the sea and adapted to life in that realm. A bird has a spine that move is the right direction, it is warm blooded, two big points that Darwin refuses to consider along with forests being the first life, long before pools of water were around.

Having to make sense of a biblical timeline and the series of events therein, causes one to grasp at straws and completely make things up, such as what you've done here with "water filled comets", which I expect what your answer albeit very unsophisticated, to the mathematical paradox that is the biblical flood.
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It says it rained 20 on the land, why would God make it rain over the oceans?
If you have to change the story before you can disagree with it that is sloppy CSI work.

I was sincerely hoping for an educated reply, that would have me at least respecting your character if not your beliefs or logic. None of which you've accomplished with your reply. You've only enforced my concern that those who believe in creationism are, at their core, lost, brainwashed, and in dire need of a science lesson.
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Do the two verses below show that the inhabitable parts of the earth are 1/4 of the whole earth's surface?

Jer:25:25:
And all the kings of Zimri,
and all the kings of Elam,
and all the kings of the Medes,
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.


You are aware that science promote the oceans rose about 450 ft since the ice started to melt. I would thing that would allow for many flood stories, how about when the Med. Sea became salty? Our science doesn't even like to admit northern Africa was productive in the past.

Birds and crawly things are a natural part of a forest so just because the Bible has then after forests exist it is because they are less important than the trees instead of forest at 1 time did not have those same critters all along.
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And if you think that if you can present biblical quotes and passages as empirical evidence, you are dead wrong. I regard that book as a pure work of fiction. If you'd like evidence, I wish you well. You'll be hard pressed to find any. I presented evidence, and all I get in return is snippets from a fictional book. Show me you people have at least a shred of intelligence.
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By rights you should go and read more than I post just to verify I am taking it in the right context to the rest of the passage. The only danger you are in is deciding it is a good work of fiction rather than being a bad work. That means taking a lot of prophecies and fitting them all into one single big picture, the more that can be done the less the odds are that it is a work of fiction, just based on the fact the writer wrote about things they admit they did not understand, yet what they wrote fits in perfectly with other passages.

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Earth doesn't exist. Its all a mind simulation, a very vif dream.

The simulation will end with your end of the dream.

We are all part of a computer game played somewhere by some ET kids in some distant internet.

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Jer:25:25:
And all the kings of Zimri,
and all the kings of Elam,
and all the kings of the Medes,
Jer:25:26:
And all the kings of the north,
far and near,
one with another,
and all the kingdoms of the world,
which are upon the face of the earth:

and the king of Sheshach shall drink after them.

Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.


This is what you refer to as empirical evidence?
"and behold a pale horse"? What you're doing here,
is inferring an historical record from generalized themes.
a pale horse could account for anything depending on your poetical licence. Once again, you pretend that these very broad terms inside stories, are somehow proof to me, who doesn't believe your book to be anything but stories.
How in the world do you view these words as 'proof' of anything but a story to begin with? things like these are open to interpretation, although the most logic way to look at these statements is from the perspective that they are just that. stories. If or when allegories from the bible become able to be scrutinized under a scientific method, I may come back to you and take another look, but for now this is all they are. Attempting to convince yourself otherwise is pure speculative, and worthy of someone who can attach significance to anything he sees fit. I might look at a cell, and say to myself "How can I find out what this is, where it comes from, what its purpose might be", and then i would proceed to study it, perform experiments under the scientific method, redo them, redo them again, making sure they 100% accurate. I would then pass along my findings to other scientists who then, go about their job of trying to prove me wrong.They would then, perform their own experiments until they would either prove or disprove my findings. That is science my friend, and it presents evidence. unfortunately, those who believe in the bible do not require this logic when viewing a book. They merely take it all as fact, without the need to investigate it at all. and only when presented with evidence of the contrary do they then do half baked research where they exaggerate science fact to lend credence to their findings. Not one respected scientist will tell you creationism holds an answer, they will in fact, remind you that none of their research holds any water in the academic world. again, these quotes from the bible are VAGUE at best, and do not under any circumstance hint that they might be presenting the reading with historical fact. This idea is based on lunacy.
you can imagine they mean whatever you like, but at the end of the day they mean nothing, and I think that is the purpose of these stories, so people can interpret them in any way they want. It's the same scam that psychics have been running on people for thousands of years. To make conclusions that could fit anyone's life, in any capacity.
I'm dreaming of the day when you post some evidence a young earth theory that has not been proved wrong, and does not come from the bible...
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And if you think that if you can present biblical quotes and passages as empirical evidence, you are dead wrong. I regard that book as a pure work of fiction. If you'd like evidence, I wish you well. You'll be hard pressed to find any. I presented evidence, and all I get in return is snippets from a fictional book. Show me you people have at least a shred of intelligence.
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By rights you should go and read more than I post just to verify I am taking it in the right context to the rest of the passage. The only danger you are in is deciding it is a good work of fiction rather than being a bad work. That means taking a lot of prophecies and fitting them all into one single big picture, the more that can be done the less the odds are that it is a work of fiction, just based on the fact the writer wrote about things they admit they did not understand, yet what they wrote fits in perfectly with other passages.
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But your evidence that these are more than stories is simply inferred by YOU. everything in the bible, is open to interpretation, except for genesis, which is to anyone with a half a brain is 100% illogical. It forgets to mentions, the formulation of the universe, the life of dinosaurs, and about a million other events that predate man, that science has proven without the shadow of a doubt to have happened. There is no doubt about it, trying to disprove scientific fact makes creationists look very ignorant. These stories are so vague, they are written in the way that psychics do cold readings, they are purposely vague, because they knew while writing fake truths, they'd have to make them open to interpretation. Same thing with all prophets, psychics, and con-men. open your eyes. There's a real danger in perpetrating false truths, and claiming they are fact.
Children must know about what is provable, and what is not.
Christianity is not provable, Although most known science is. that is the difference. Tired of repeating myself.
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And if you think that if you can present biblical quotes and passages as empirical evidence, you are dead wrong. I regard that book as a pure work of fiction. If you'd like evidence, I wish you well. You'll be hard pressed to find any. I presented evidence, and all I get in return is snippets from a fictional book. Show me you people have at least a shred of intelligence.
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By rights you should go and read more than I post just to verify I am taking it in the right context to the rest of the passage. The only danger you are in is deciding it is a good work of fiction rather than being a bad work. That means taking a lot of prophecies and fitting them all into one single big picture, the more that can be done the less the odds are that it is a work of fiction, just based on the fact the writer wrote about things they admit they did not understand, yet what they wrote fits in perfectly with other passages.
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But your evidence that these are more than stories is simply inferred by YOU. everything in the bible, is open to interpretation, except for genesis, which is to anyone with a half a brain is 100% illogical. It forgets to mentions, the formulation of the universe, the life of dinosaurs, and about a million other events that predate man, that science has proven without the shadow of a doubt to have happened. There is no doubt about it, trying to disprove scientific fact makes creationists look very ignorant. These stories are so vague, they are written in the way that psychics do cold readings, they are purposely vague, because they knew while writing fake truths, they'd have to make them open to interpretation. Same thing with all prophets, psychics, and con-men. open your eyes. There's a real danger in perpetrating false truths, and claiming they are fact.
Children must know about what is provable, and what is not.
Christianity is not provable, Although most known science is. that is the difference. Tired of repeating myself.
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And if you think that if you can present biblical quotes and passages as empirical evidence, you are dead wrong. I regard that book as a pure work of fiction. If you'd like evidence, I wish you well. You'll be hard pressed to find any. I presented evidence, and all I get in return is snippets from a fictional book. Show me you people have at least a shred of intelligence.
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By rights you should go and read more than I post just to verify I am taking it in the right context to the rest of the passage. The only danger you are in is deciding it is a good work of fiction rather than being a bad work. That means taking a lot of prophecies and fitting them all into one single big picture, the more that can be done the less the odds are that it is a work of fiction, just based on the fact the writer wrote about things they admit they did not understand, yet what they wrote fits in perfectly with other passages.
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And you are aware, these stories were collected and arranged at ONE TIME, by ONE GROUP OF MEN?!
I now, am certain I know more about the bible than you. Which most atheists do. We've actually read it and have a reason to disbelieve. You though, I fear have no idea on who arranged the new testament, and who wrote it.

To start a debate, you must go back to its origins.
Go back, find where it came from, who wrote it, why they had vested interest in writing it, and manipulation.

The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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OP, Pat is often wrong.
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But your evidence that these are more than stories is simply inferred by YOU. everything in the bible, is open to interpretation, except for genesis, which is to anyone with a half a brain is 100% illogical. It forgets to mentions, the formulation of the universe, the life of dinosaurs, and about a million other events that predate man, that science has proven without the shadow of a doubt to have happened. There is no doubt about it, trying to disprove scientific fact makes creationists look very ignorant. These stories are so vague, they are written in the way that psychics do cold readings, they are purposely vague, because they knew while writing fake truths, they'd have to make them open to interpretation. Same thing with all prophets, psychics, and con-men. open your eyes. There's a real danger in perpetrating false truths, and claiming they are fact.
Children must know about what is provable, and what is not.
Christianity is not provable, Although most known science is. that is the difference. Tired of repeating myself.
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Then why are you repeating the lies?

Christianity is not provable?

Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?

Then I suggest you go back to page 1 where the global flood is proven with science. Real science supports the Bible not your pagan censored 'science'.
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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You really are brainwashed.
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OP, Pat is often wrong.
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Pat is consecutively wrong. He's never been right.

This is what I find funny. When all scientists agree on something
They'll find the one guy, who nobody respects intellectually and insist he is the one who is correct. Like this lone idiot, is somehow a savant and the only one who knows the truth. I don't find it hard to support a 4 billion year old earth, when everyone who is anyone has agreed that it is no longer an argument. We could find a stamp that reads our date, and creationists would claim god put it there. I refuse to believe you guys are serious! This isn't a theory! This is FACT, and because one person says it isn't does not prove anything. If 100 denied it, it would still mean nothing. We've done the research we have proved without question the earth is billions of years old. Why is this so hard to grasp?!?!
We are correct about this, in the same way we are correct about every other fact that has led you to where you are now, computers, airplanes, guns, and everything down to the particle accelerator. If you chose to say the methods that brought you modern civilization are false, than you should not have the right to use a computer. Go live in the woods, like the crazy fools you are. We're doing just fine without going back thousands of years to when men revered superstition. Welcome to the 21st century.
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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You really are brainwashed.
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Yes, it is very disgusting. No borrowed stories? Are you blind. Go read the religious beliefs of any religion before it. So wrong there.
Gah, I can't even be bothered by this person, who knows nothing about not only his own religion but all religion In general. Do you me to show you proof of what I say too, or are you regretting having replied to me?
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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You really are brainwashed.
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Brainwashing by definition is done by the state. They use evolution theories.

Brainwashing is not, as some anti-Christian educators and students contend, the Biblical process of training our children to love and follow God. The word "brainwashing" refers to a planned, step-by-step attempt to "wash" family-taught beliefs from the minds of those who oppose government ideology. In America, it would mean replacing the old Biblical values and world view with a new way of thinking that would support a totalitarian agenda. In other words, every child must become a peace child, a willing and active servant of a new world order.

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I submit that the earth is actually one Planck time unit in length old, spontaneously generated as soon as you the person reading this has a moment of awareness and therefore cause the universe to coalesce from the quantum foam, and immediately dissipated after that moment of awareness ends.

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But your evidence that these are more than stories is simply inferred by YOU. everything in the bible, is open to interpretation, except for genesis, which is to anyone with a half a brain is 100% illogical. It forgets to mentions, the formulation of the universe, the life of dinosaurs, and about a million other events that predate man, that science has proven without the shadow of a doubt to have happened. There is no doubt about it, trying to disprove scientific fact makes creationists look very ignorant. These stories are so vague, they are written in the way that psychics do cold readings, they are purposely vague, because they knew while writing fake truths, they'd have to make them open to interpretation. Same thing with all prophets, psychics, and con-men. open your eyes. There's a real danger in perpetrating false truths, and claiming they are fact.
Children must know about what is provable, and what is not.
Christianity is not provable, Although most known science is. that is the difference. Tired of repeating myself.
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Then why are you repeating the lies?

Christianity is not provable?

Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?

Then I suggest you go back to page 1 where the global flood is proven with science. Real science supports the Bible not your pagan censored 'science'.
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Let's address you lunatics one by one.. with evidence.
because you need it badly.

"Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?"

There is a huge gap at the heart of the Jesus story. There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive. There is plenty of evidence that people believed that there was a man named Jesus who was killed, but none that he was alive. By that I mean nothing exists from the time of the supposed life of Jesus. No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker. No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it. Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done. He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people. He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead. He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time. Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn't that just a little hard to believe?

in case you missed it, here is the math that directly proves the flood DID NOT HAPPEN:


How much water would it take?
The total volume of water on Earth is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers www.space.com, USGS.gov

Volume of a sphere = 4/3 r3 where r=radius

Radius of Earth = 6,378.15 Kilometers

Height of Mt. Everest = 8.85 Kilometers

The volume of water needed to cover Earth to the height of Mt. Everest is approximately the difference in volume of a sphere needed to encompass Mt. Everest and the volume of a sphere the size of the Earth.

Volume of a sphere encompassing the Earth at sea level
= 4/3 (6,378.15 KM)3 = 1,086,825,918,019 KM3

Volume of a sphere encompassing Mt. Everest
= 4/3 (6,378.15 + 8.85 KM)3 = 1,091,388,460,971 KM3

The Difference = 4,530,488,766 KM3

Notice that this is more than 3 TIMES the amount of water presently on Earth.

paganism has absolutely zero affiliation with science, and those that believe that, should stop reading blogs and stop watching Jesse Ventura on television.
superstitions are grossly worrying on this board.

also:besides the egyptians, having zero mention of any flood during this time, there is also zero evidence geologically to support a great flood at the time described in the bible.
There is also the fact that one man could not have physically traversed the entire world, and collected over millions of animals. If you believe he collected millions of animals, and set them on a gigantic boat, then I fear for genes, and do not think they should be passed on. SHOW ME EVIDENCE.
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But your evidence that these are more than stories is simply inferred by YOU. everything in the bible, is open to interpretation, except for genesis, which is to anyone with a half a brain is 100% illogical. It forgets to mentions, the formulation of the universe, the life of dinosaurs, and about a million other events that predate man, that science has proven without the shadow of a doubt to have happened. There is no doubt about it, trying to disprove scientific fact makes creationists look very ignorant. These stories are so vague, they are written in the way that psychics do cold readings, they are purposely vague, because they knew while writing fake truths, they'd have to make them open to interpretation. Same thing with all prophets, psychics, and con-men. open your eyes. There's a real danger in perpetrating false truths, and claiming they are fact.
Children must know about what is provable, and what is not.
Christianity is not provable, Although most known science is. that is the difference. Tired of repeating myself.
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Then why are you repeating the lies?

Christianity is not provable?

Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?

Then I suggest you go back to page 1 where the global flood is proven with science. Real science supports the Bible not your pagan censored 'science'.
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most of the world's land mass has been covered by water at one time- but not all at the same time.

speaking of which , the scientific annals which you claim support your biblical flood also portray periods of time millions of years ago. hence your attempts to use this science to support a 6000 year old earth are at best specious.
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
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I'd say i'm winning this argument here, but I encourage more of you young earthers to step up to the plate.
I'll be here all day.
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Let's address you lunatics one by one.. with evidence.
because you need it badly.

"Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?"

There is a huge gap at the heart of the Jesus story. There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive. There is plenty of evidence that people believed that there was a man named Jesus who was killed, but none that he was alive. By that I mean nothing exists from the time of the supposed life of Jesus. No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker. No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it. Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done. He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people. He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead. He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time. Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn't that just a little hard to believe?

in case you missed it, here is the math that directly proves the flood DID NOT HAPPEN:


How much water would it take?
The total volume of water on Earth is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers www.space.com, USGS.gov

Volume of a sphere = 4/3 r3 where r=radius

Radius of Earth = 6,378.15 Kilometers

Height of Mt. Everest = 8.85 Kilometers

The volume of water needed to cover Earth to the height of Mt. Everest is approximately the difference in volume of a sphere needed to encompass Mt. Everest and the volume of a sphere the size of the Earth.

Volume of a sphere encompassing the Earth at sea level
= 4/3 (6,378.15 KM)3 = 1,086,825,918,019 KM3

Volume of a sphere encompassing Mt. Everest
= 4/3 (6,378.15 + 8.85 KM)3 = 1,091,388,460,971 KM3

The Difference = 4,530,488,766 KM3

Notice that this is more than 3 TIMES the amount of water presently on Earth.

paganism has absolutely zero affiliation with science, and those that believe that, should stop reading blogs and stop watching Jesse Ventura on television.
superstitions are grossly worrying on this board.

also:besides the egyptians, having zero mention of any flood during this time, there is also zero evidence geologically to support a great flood at the time described in the bible.
There is also the fact that one man could not have physically traversed the entire world, and collected over millions of animals. If you believe he collected millions of animals, and set them on a gigantic boat, then I fear for genes, and do not think they should be passed on. SHOW ME EVIDENCE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27499577



Well I suppose the 'lunatic' is the one with no evidence or denying the evidence we have.

Yes Jesus was recorded by all the historians of the time. Not only Jesus but the surrounding events of his death on the cross, the apostles, and the early Christians.

Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."

[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]











The flood resulted in the entire sedimentary geocolumn full of dead and fossilized creatures, as expected. The global fossil record proves a global flood as fossils only form under such conditions. The geocolumn is then all interconnected by polystrate fossils proving it is the result of a single catastrophic event. The flood canyons have been repeated in a lab setting and published.

Egypt did not exist having been founded after the flood by the sons of Noah in the Land of Kish (Kish or Cush).

The water for this flood is found today in the oceans. The mountains were pushed up at the time as water jetted from the mid-atlantic ridge.

Most of this was already covered page 1 with links.
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Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
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It's not documented facts about Horus, rather invented histories from masonic sources after the fact.

Horus and other parallel claims debunked one by one:

[link to www.kingdavid8.com]
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
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So if we are that far, I guess my thesis of being in a distant ETs internet game is futile ????

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Let's address you lunatics one by one.. with evidence.
because you need it badly.

"Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?"

There is a huge gap at the heart of the Jesus story. There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive. There is plenty of evidence that people believed that there was a man named Jesus who was killed, but none that he was alive. By that I mean nothing exists from the time of the supposed life of Jesus. No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker. No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it. Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done. He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people. He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead. He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time. Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn't that just a little hard to believe?

in case you missed it, here is the math that directly proves the flood DID NOT HAPPEN:


How much water would it take?
The total volume of water on Earth is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers www.space.com, USGS.gov

Volume of a sphere = 4/3 r3 where r=radius

Radius of Earth = 6,378.15 Kilometers

Height of Mt. Everest = 8.85 Kilometers

The volume of water needed to cover Earth to the height of Mt. Everest is approximately the difference in volume of a sphere needed to encompass Mt. Everest and the volume of a sphere the size of the Earth.

Volume of a sphere encompassing the Earth at sea level
= 4/3 (6,378.15 KM)3 = 1,086,825,918,019 KM3

Volume of a sphere encompassing Mt. Everest
= 4/3 (6,378.15 + 8.85 KM)3 = 1,091,388,460,971 KM3

The Difference = 4,530,488,766 KM3

Notice that this is more than 3 TIMES the amount of water presently on Earth.

paganism has absolutely zero affiliation with science, and those that believe that, should stop reading blogs and stop watching Jesse Ventura on television.
superstitions are grossly worrying on this board.

also:besides the egyptians, having zero mention of any flood during this time, there is also zero evidence geologically to support a great flood at the time described in the bible.
There is also the fact that one man could not have physically traversed the entire world, and collected over millions of animals. If you believe he collected millions of animals, and set them on a gigantic boat, then I fear for genes, and do not think they should be passed on. SHOW ME EVIDENCE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27499577



Well I suppose the 'lunatic' is the one with no evidence or denying the evidence we have.

Yes Jesus was recorded by all the historians of the time. Not only Jesus but the surrounding events of his death on the cross, the apostles, and the early Christians.

Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."

[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]











The flood resulted in the entire sedimentary geocolumn full of dead and fossilized creatures, as expected. The global fossil record proves a global flood as fossils only form under such conditions. The geocolumn is then all interconnected by polystrate fossils proving it is the result of a single catastrophic event. The flood canyons have been repeated in a lab setting and published.

Egypt did not exist having been founded after the flood by the sons of Noah in the Land of Kish (Kish or Cush).

The water for this flood is found today in the oceans. The mountains were pushed up at the time as water jetted from the mid-atlantic ridge.

Most of this was already covered page 1 with links.
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Your first link that describes accounts of Jesus during his life, are all written after the fact of his death. Every single on of them, and almost every one of them have been deeply criticized by even biblical scholars. So having accounts of Jesus the person after his death, and none of his life are no different than those written long after his death at the council. So let's throw that link right out, because it does not show a single author writing about the man while he LIVING.
Your second link brings me to a page saying that biblical scholars know for sure that Jesus existed... Duh.. of course they do, they are idiots who for their degrees from terrible schools, and mostly online. Idiots.

Then your reasoning for Egypt not having any account of the biblical flood is because Egypt did not exist? Are you kidding me? There is a long history of Egypt dating long before the account of the flood, which did not happen, and would be simple to understand if you simply use basic logic and deduction. Next you'll be telling me that it was "water filled comets" like the previous person did.

The truth is that, there becomes less and less evidence for these stories the more you look, and you have to look very hard to find a singular account anywhere of any of it. If you think the bible is anything other than collected stories used to control the masses and assume power for those who are the puppet masters, then you are sadly mistaken.

Lastly, I asked for proof of a young earth theory, and now we back peddling and now debating the very validity of Jesus at all. See how the further we go back, the harder you have to try to procure any proof?
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
 Quoting: - 28711488


Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
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i read your post with interest.

i remember studying mythology in high school {early 70s}

one day the teacher was comparing christianity to earlier religions.

he used the term "christian mythology".

what an eye opener for the class- one fundie guy got up and walked out.

it didn't shake my belief in one god, but suddenly i could visualize a world, a thousand years hence, where christianity, islam,etc would chapters at the end of Bullfinche's or Hamilton's mythologies.
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The only reason we are having this debate, is because Christianity survived despite it's bullshit origin, by way of brutal force, murder, execution, and manipulation.
Had men not had a reason for its survival, these stolen ideas would have never lasted this long and we would NOT be having this conversation at all...
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There were no borrowed stories in Christianity. Those recent claims from Freemason sources have been rejected by scholars and discredited or debunked by many others, time and again.

There has been no murder or forced manipulation from the Christians, quite the opposite. The Roman Church is responsible for their own war crimes, and Christians were the victims by the millions. Today the dark age evotard theories also come from the Jesuit's pagan roots.
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Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27499577


i read your post with interest.

i remember studying mythology in high school {early 70s}

one day the teacher was comparing christianity to earlier religions.

he used the term "christian mythology".

what an eye opener for the class- one fundie guy got up and walked out.

it didn't shake my belief in one god, but suddenly i could visualize a world, a thousand years hence, where christianity, islam,etc would chapters at the end of Bullfinche's or Hamilton's mythologies.
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its an interesting point to make. Christianity is a young religion, very young. There's no question as to why it is so popular now in the 21st century, but it is also interesting to imagine it later, will it have become mythology? Will it have vanished completely? Then again modern people are much different, not sure if they more or less likely to become violent to keep tradition alive. For all of my posts on this thread trying to disprove creationism, it doesn't mean that I don't believe in something. I just happen to believe that we shouldn't insist the bible to be the most accurate, everlasting document. It is too early to tell. We should not believe in god as a man though, I personally think that is a dangerous idea. one that leads to wars, and violence.
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Let's address you lunatics one by one.. with evidence.
because you need it badly.

"Have you heard of Jesus? He is a recorded fact by all the historians of the time. Jerusalem? Israel? Hebrews?"

There is a huge gap at the heart of the Jesus story. There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive. There is plenty of evidence that people believed that there was a man named Jesus who was killed, but none that he was alive. By that I mean nothing exists from the time of the supposed life of Jesus. No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker. No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it. Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done. He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people. He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead. He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time. Not a book, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Isn't that just a little hard to believe?

in case you missed it, here is the math that directly proves the flood DID NOT HAPPEN:


How much water would it take?
The total volume of water on Earth is about 1.4 billion cubic kilometers www.space.com, USGS.gov

Volume of a sphere = 4/3 r3 where r=radius

Radius of Earth = 6,378.15 Kilometers

Height of Mt. Everest = 8.85 Kilometers

The volume of water needed to cover Earth to the height of Mt. Everest is approximately the difference in volume of a sphere needed to encompass Mt. Everest and the volume of a sphere the size of the Earth.

Volume of a sphere encompassing the Earth at sea level
= 4/3 (6,378.15 KM)3 = 1,086,825,918,019 KM3

Volume of a sphere encompassing Mt. Everest
= 4/3 (6,378.15 + 8.85 KM)3 = 1,091,388,460,971 KM3

The Difference = 4,530,488,766 KM3

Notice that this is more than 3 TIMES the amount of water presently on Earth.

paganism has absolutely zero affiliation with science, and those that believe that, should stop reading blogs and stop watching Jesse Ventura on television.
superstitions are grossly worrying on this board.

also:besides the egyptians, having zero mention of any flood during this time, there is also zero evidence geologically to support a great flood at the time described in the bible.
There is also the fact that one man could not have physically traversed the entire world, and collected over millions of animals. If you believe he collected millions of animals, and set them on a gigantic boat, then I fear for genes, and do not think they should be passed on. SHOW ME EVIDENCE.
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Well I suppose the 'lunatic' is the one with no evidence or denying the evidence we have.

Yes Jesus was recorded by all the historians of the time. Not only Jesus but the surrounding events of his death on the cross, the apostles, and the early Christians.

Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."

[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]

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The flood resulted in the entire sedimentary geocolumn full of dead and fossilized creatures, as expected. The global fossil record proves a global flood as fossils only form under such conditions. The geocolumn is then all interconnected by polystrate fossils proving it is the result of a single catastrophic event. The flood canyons have been repeated in a lab setting and published.

Egypt did not exist having been founded after the flood by the sons of Noah in the Land of Kish (Kish or Cush).

The water for this flood is found today in the oceans. The mountains were pushed up at the time as water jetted from the mid-atlantic ridge.

Most of this was already covered page 1 with links.

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You are correct, most of this was already answered, and that which hasn't been can easily be obtained with a Google search. The main focus of the argument here should be that evolutionists don't believe their idiotic theory because it is better science, it is because they are willfully ignorant. They will continue to shift the burden of proof, attack the Bible with completely fabricated doctrine from the Zeitgeist films, make up a straw-man argument, and then declare themselves the winner of the debate. It is classic liberal technique. It is exactly what Satan did in the Garden of Eden "Yea, hath God said" (doubt) "Ye shall not surely die" (denial), "Ye shall be as gods" (deify). Evolution first casts doubt upon the Word, then outright denies it, and finally leaves men thinking they can become gods of their own destiny.
Like I said in an earlier reply, I know that no amount of evidence could ever persuade them. Their foolish hearts have become darkened and they would not accept the Truth, even if they could (which of course, they can not, unless God quickens them). I know this because I used to be there. I was raised a militant atheist for the first 19 years of my life. I remember my dad sitting me down when I was a young child and showing me "irrefutable proof" that we evolved from molecules through natural processes and that the age of the Earth was billions of years old; thus concluding that the Bible must be fictitious. The Holy Ghost is the only one that can open their eyes, ears and hearts, and no amount of argument, evidence, or willpower can change that. They do not deny God because of empirical reasoning; they deny God because of their fleshly lusts. It is a spiritual matter, not a scientific one.
Each and every one of us has a conscience that bears witness when we sin, because God has written the commandments on our hearts. The wall they are hiding behind is thin, fragile, and full of holes. There will be no excuses on the Day of Reckoning, for God has clearly revealed Himself to His creation. All things done in the dark will be brought into the light, and none will escape His wrath. Without the merciful, unmerited, unconditional forgiveness of the LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ of Nazareth testifying on their behalf, they will be condemned and forever cast into the Lake that burneth with fire and brimstone, originally created for Lucifer and his angels. May God have mercy on their self-righteous souls.
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Here we go. This reply scares me for many reasons. Here is the proof that is going to make you feel very stupid:

Could Jesus and Horus have been the same person or even the same God? Are the similarities just a coincidence? This is what I love about mythology, and if there was ever justification for my belief that Christianity is merely a revised version of Egyptian religion, I'd say this is it:

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.
2. Both were the "only begotten son" of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)
3. Horus's mother was Meri, Jesus's mother was Mary.
4. Horus's foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus's foster father was Joseph.
5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.
6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).
7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.
8. Horus; birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star). Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).
9. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus on December 21 (the Winter Solstice). Modern Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25.
10. Both births were announced by angels (this si nto the same as number 7).
11. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.
12. Horus was visited at birth by "three solar deities" and Jesus was visited by "three wise men".
13. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
14. To hide from Herut, the god That tells Isis, "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child." To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to "arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt."
15. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
16. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual.
17. Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
18. Horus was baptized in the river Eridanus. Jesus was baptized in the river Jordan.
19. Both were baptized at age 30.
20. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer. Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
21. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
22. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
23. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
24. Both have 12 disciples.
25. Both walked on water, cast out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
26. Horus "stilled the sea by his power." Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, "Peace, be still."
27. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave. Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
28. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Livanu (literally, "house of Anu").
29. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
30. Both were crucified.
31. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
32. Both were buried in a tomb.
33. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back "three days" later (although Friday night to Sunday morning is hardly three days).
34. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
35. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
36. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one. Jesus was known as the Christ (which means "anointed one").
37. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
38. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
39. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd's crook.
40. Horus was born in Anu ("the place of bread") and Jesus was born in Livlehem ("the house of bread").
41. "The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: 'Out of Egypt have I called my son.'" (See Point 13)
42. Both were transfigured on the mount.
43. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of "Madonna and Child."
44. Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called "Immaculate".
45. Horus says: "Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power." And Jesus says: "Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once."
46. Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

I suppose documented facts about Horus, as well as many other important historical figures are the work of Freemasons. These paralleled are the same throughout many religions if you simply look, but you believe the accurate histories of other religions to be inaccurate. even though they predate yours? see the backwards logic in that?
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It's not documented facts about Horus, rather invented histories from masonic sources after the fact.

Horus and other parallel claims debunked one by one:

[link to www.kingdavid8.com]
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This site, written by just a normal uneducated religious person...
States that he doesn't believe the stories of other religions because he's seen no proof, which is an easy claim to make If you refuse to believe something. If you had scrolled down a bit, and actually read the debates he's had with people, it reminds me of my debates here. Where the person he debates presents him with evidence of the story of horus, and he simply refuses to believe it.. he in fact just changes the subject. Which is what most of you people do when presented with facts. Either claim they are the work of Satan/ freemasons, or that they are made up. There's a real history of Egyptian religion, and I suggest you check it out, rather than get your information from a religious blog, written by an everyday person.
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This is very very simple folks....The earth as we know it can easily be only 6000 years old....ofcourse the materials and matter that it is made up of from space, could easily be billions of years old.With that said what good really is the dating process? Its not.Theres not a wrong answer here...all of them are the right answer you see.The earth is 6000 years old and it is also millions or billions or years old, depending how you look at it.Its both!
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i remember studying mythology in high school {early 70s}

one day the teacher was comparing christianity to earlier religions.

he used the term "christian mythology".

what an eye opener for the class- one fundie guy got up and walked out.

it didn't shake my belief in one god, but suddenly i could visualize a world, a thousand years hence, where christianity, islam,etc would chapters at the end of Bullfinche's or Hamilton's mythologies.
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Comparative religion classes should be called: Brainwashing 101. The Christians do not work in state schools who censor truth about it all need to then support their evolution beliefs.

All religion is mythology, except the faith of Jesus that is confirmed repeatedly with a long HISTORY & SCIENCE 100%.

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