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Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?

 
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Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.

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I am pretty sure he did but i dont believe the whole son of god thing ( no proof really )
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I am pretty sure he did but i dont believe the whole son of god thing ( no proof really )
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You didn't answer my question though, that is, WHY you believe he did.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
It would not be "belief" is there was evidence OP.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.

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It would not be "belief" is there was evidence OP.
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Well evidence is can be interpreted in various ways. Evidence does not always lead to knowledge/truth.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
No, there is more truth in the parables than in Jesus.

The bible is a collection of parables.

None of the characters in the bible ever existed.
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yeah the wailing wall was built by satan to fool the muslims into believing in dinosaurs
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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1st hand eye witness testimony from more than 1 source. What do you have, that he didn't, other then opinion?
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
I am pretty sure he did but i dont believe the whole son of god thing ( no proof really )
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You didn't answer my question though, that is, WHY you believe he did.
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Hmm i guess because too influential not to be real all tho i could be wrong.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
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Believe it or not, there are NO historical references from his own lifetime. The Bible and other "obscure" sources came about 70 years later.

This isn't to say he didn't exist, but it's incorrect to say there is actual documentation from him during his life time...there isn't. Of course, the Romans burned Jerusalem to the ground at some point after his death.

You'll often here people jump up and say, "yes, he was real, THERE ARE SOURCES." They state this as fact, but in reality, there is no actual proof of Christ's existence from the time he walked the earth.

And again, that doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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1st hand eye witness testimony from more than 1 source. What do you have, that he didn't, other then opinion?
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To me evidence would be, writings, coins, and art. It seems that we have little evidence of that sort before the 3rd century AD.
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To me evidence would be, writings, coins, and art. It seems that we have little evidence of that sort before the 3rd century AD.
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Well, he certainly wouldn't have been on a coin during his lifetime, that's a bit absurd.

No art or writing about him from the time before his crucifixion exists. No census records, etc.

It doesn't necessarily mean he didn't exist, but no, there's no actual documentation from his lifetime.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
Yes, I do.

With being the son of god..
We all are, but he walked that road dare to be it to the fullest. He dared to be not ashamed of it. He was aware and the spirit worked through him. And these are only some aspects of the story I think.

Many things are metaphorically speaking.
There will come a time when you believe everything ends.
This will be the beginning
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Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
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Believe it or not, there are NO historical references from his own lifetime. The Bible and other "obscure" sources came about 70 years later.

This isn't to say he didn't exist, but it's incorrect to say there is actual documentation from him during his life time...there isn't. Of course, the Romans burned Jerusalem to the ground at some point after his death.

You'll often here people jump up and say, "yes, he was real, THERE ARE SOURCES." They state this as fact, but in reality, there is no actual proof of Christ's existence from the time he walked the earth.

And again, that doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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agreed, i guess it is like kingArthur and Robin Hood, i assume there is some kernel of truth but the information is at best second or third hand, or fof {friend of a friend}
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.
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Believe it or not, there are NO historical references from his own lifetime. The Bible and other "obscure" sources came about 70 years later.

This isn't to say he didn't exist, but it's incorrect to say there is actual documentation from him during his life time...there isn't. Of course, the Romans burned Jerusalem to the ground at some point after his death.

You'll often here people jump up and say, "yes, he was real, THERE ARE SOURCES." They state this as fact, but in reality, there is no actual proof of Christ's existence from the time he walked the earth.

And again, that doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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Yes, there are no real-time records. Nature of the time, who's to say any person or event existed or occurred then? I will say the collection of writings called the Bible are skewed for political and social reasons, many generations of questionable 'translations' and interpretations.



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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
No, not the exact same Jesus that is portrayed in the gospels. However he is a composite of others who did live, and none of them are God. Jesus was a composite of several men's lives and was written into the gospels in order to create a religion.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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1st hand eye witness testimony from more than 1 source. What do you have, that he didn't, other then opinion?
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To me evidence would be, writings, coins, and art. It seems that we have little evidence of that sort before the 3rd century AD.
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He was a carpenter, not an artist, book writer, or furniture maker, and poor and died at 33. How many books have you written, most people have never heard of you, that are alive right know.
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The only way to know is to Time Travel back there and take a picture.
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I volunteer for that job....
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Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
 Quoting: david 16910407


Believe it or not, there are NO historical references from his own lifetime. The Bible and other "obscure" sources came about 70 years later.

This isn't to say he didn't exist, but it's incorrect to say there is actual documentation from him during his life time...there isn't. Of course, the Romans burned Jerusalem to the ground at some point after his death.

You'll often here people jump up and say, "yes, he was real, THERE ARE SOURCES." They state this as fact, but in reality, there is no actual proof of Christ's existence from the time he walked the earth.

And again, that doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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How else do you test a mans faith?

Faith is the substance of things NOT seen...

Scripture tells us there are multitudes in the valley of decision.

Scripture also tells us that if a man had faith the size of a mustard seed he could say unto the mountains, move, and they would be lifted up and cast into the sea...

So we see the multitudes in the valley.... without faith so much as a mustard seed.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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1st hand eye witness testimony from more than 1 source. What do you have, that he didn't, other then opinion?
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To me evidence would be, writings, coins, and art. It seems that we have little evidence of that sort before the 3rd century AD.
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So, you don't accept as evidence, the corroborating testimony of the many people who were actually there, when you can't prove otherwise?
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This book gives some powerful evidence that Jesus, as depicted in the gospels, did not exist at that place and time nor die for our sins.

Antiquity Unveiled by J.M. Roberts
[link to archive.org]
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He may be another myth but yes I do think he was here
the timing might be off a bit, who really knows?
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So, you don't accept as evidence, the corroborating testimony of the many people who were actually there, when you can't prove otherwise?
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See, this is what I'm not big on.

I'm not saying Jesus wasn't real, but don't go around claiming there are other sources from his lifetime. There weren't.

Again, I'm not saying that means he wasn't there, just don't go distorting actuality. All the non-biblical sources (as well as the biblical for that matter) came about after his crucifixion.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
I think he existed, but I don't think he was the son of god. As I've said before, I believe he was basically a 1st century MLK, that is he was a preacher who said what needed to be said and was killed for it.
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Yep.
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that was me, next carnation now.
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Yes jesus was a real person who lived. The rosucrucians refer to him as the highest freemasonic initiate. The jewish call him a wannabe. Catholics call him the son of lucifer. You can tell he was real because people see him in a burning bush. And he has come to people in the night like a thief. Also when you make a deal with the devil he usually gets you to promote this jesus as a savior and will come back.
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I think he existed, but I don't think he was the son of god. As I've said before, I believe he was basically a 1st century MLK, that is he was a preacher who said what needed to be said and was killed for it.
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My Brother is the Son of Lord God Almighty.
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Re: Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?
Yes, I do.

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