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Do you believe that Jesus REALLY existed?

 
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No, there is more truth in the parables than in Jesus.

The bible is a collection of parables.

None of the characters in the bible ever existed.
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clappa its funny that people literary. Like there were men named Phil tim steve 2000 years ago in the middle east lol
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Uhh...written history from multiple sources? And no, I'm not a Bible-tard.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
 Quoting: david 16910407


Believe it or not, there are NO historical references from his own lifetime. The Bible and other "obscure" sources came about 70 years later.

This isn't to say he didn't exist, but it's incorrect to say there is actual documentation from him during his life time...there isn't. Of course, the Romans burned Jerusalem to the ground at some point after his death.

You'll often here people jump up and say, "yes, he was real, THERE ARE SOURCES." They state this as fact, but in reality, there is no actual proof of Christ's existence from the time he walked the earth.

And again, that doesn't mean he wasn't there.
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Not only burned to the ground but Christians where thrown into the arenas and eaten alive. They were also used as street lamps when they were nailed to posts and set alight so Romans could see in the dark. 1000's of them including children. They were not even hating,simply spreading the message of Christ... Love thy creator and love thy neighbour as yourself. Many of them were around when Jesus walked the Earth.
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No, there is more truth in the parables than in Jesus.

The bible is a collection of parables.

None of the characters in the bible ever existed.
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clappa its funny that people literary. Like there were men named Phil tim steve 2000 years ago in the middle east lol
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Herod never exist?.
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If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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1st hand eye witness testimony from more than 1 source. What do you have, that he didn't, other then opinion?
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To me evidence would be, writings, coins, and art. It seems that we have little evidence of that sort before the 3rd century AD.
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They said they same about David from the old testament until the founds coins with king David on it.

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Well, Jesus was not even a name back then. And no, Jesus is not a version of Joshua or Joseph or Yeshu. Jesus is derived from (H)esus, a Gaulish God. Christ is not a name. Christ comes from the Greek word Christos which is historically the translation of the Indian god Krishna. So the very name Jesus Christ is not actually a historical name. It is a mythical name. Now the only people with the power to force people to worship this mythical god were Emperor Titus and his loyal Jewish general Josephus, a sage he consulted named Apollonius (Paul), and Constantine. Now Jospephus' 1 time mention of Jesus Christ is a proven forgery. He mentions the family of Jesus because that family is actually the family of Josephus. Many of the stories attributed to Titus, Josephus and Apollonius were all gathered together as stories of fictitious Jesus. Now all of this is easy to find on the Internet. It just takes a researcher who actually cares enough about the history of Christianity to find out and confirm it with historical sources. Historical sources such as the actual recorded history of the Council of Nicea in which Constantine gathered a bunch of religious people to decide who the official Roman god was going to be. About 300 were allowed to stay after a big brawl and those 300 consisted of religious people who worshiped Hesus of Gaul and people who worshiped Krishna, the two most popular gods of the Roman empire. So the two gods were combined and the Jewish story of a guy named Yeshu or Ben Stada were added in there because he rebelled against the main Jewish religious authorities. After that, fictitious Jesus Christ was voted by a very close margin to be christened the official immortal god of the new Holy Roman Empire. Constantine could then tax the people twice. Once as the state, and again as the church. He also won not only the service of Roman citizens but their souls and unity too. Having one god, one king and one land kept the Roman empire alive and protected from Islam which also had one God, one Caliph and one land.
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That's right. Having only one god is a mater of national security. Having multiple gods, means that some gods might say no to a particular war. The rulers can't have that. The rulers always had to have a plan to unify the gods and unify the people's resolve to go to war. The concept of God being an aspect of 800 gods and your god in Buddhism. The concept of a pantheon of gods ruled by only one god. The concept of one god Jesus with all the best teachings and aspects of many gods.
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Well, Jesus was not even a name back then. And no, Jesus is not a version of Joshua or Joseph or Yeshu. Jesus is derived from (H)esus, a Gaulish God. Christ is not a name. Christ comes from the Greek word Christos which is historically the translation of the Indian god Krishna.
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Krishna is spelled different in GREEK. Christos means anointed. Krishna does not.

Jesus comes from the GREEK Iesous that comes from the Hebrew Yeshua or Joshua. (there was no letter 'J')

Jesus is recorded historic fact by numerous historians of the time, who also recorded his death and surrounding events, including an earthquake and eclipse at the time of death, and Christian followers. The apostles were also recorded.

All the other religions originated out of Babylon, including the Catholic mithraic sun worship corruption of Nazarene Christianity.

Atheism too has been spread by pagan lies from Rome's NWO since the end of the holy roman empire at the time of the French Revolution and marxism.
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Sometimes I think the bible is now. The entire NT a prophecy written in code. I am no bible scholar .....I'm just making an observation.

Bizarre.....I know.

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The devil believes.
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I don't think the biblical "Jesus" ever existed....I too think the stories are about a number of people. One notable, if you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, is a certain Essene holy man named "Joshua" who was called the "Teacher of Righteousness"...he led a rebellion against Rome and was crucified...and DIED. He certainly wasn't god nor did he rise from the dead. He was just a righteous man who many pious Jews followed.

I agree, after the Council of Nicea, Constantine demanded that their be a UNIFIED religion for the good of the empire...and the vote was taken as to the nature of the new god "Jesus Christ". Since Mithras, who was the god of the Roman Army, was a "god man"....then Jesus had to be on a par with him...so that was voted as his nature.

Frankly, it's all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo.

and I used to be a Southern Baptist minister. They don't teach you there things in seminary...I wonder why.
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The devil believes.
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That does not give any credibility to the belief.
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I believe the Savior of the Israelites existed, his name is Yashayah and he is spoken of in the Holy Bible.
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I believe the Savior of the Israelites existed, his name is Yashayah and he is spoken of in the Holy Bible.
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How many ridiculous names can you come up with for the guy anyway?
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I'm not even going to check the other replies to see if THE OBVIOUS was stated.

What uh...what year is it? 2012 A.D.? Now why on earth could that be.

Yes, I know it means anno domini (sp) and not 'after death', but look up what that phrase means in Latin.

Year of our lord.

You're on HIS time, buddy, and wether or not you believe in Him, He believes in you.

From the sound of your arm's length, blind-eyed batting, you don't believe in yourself, however. You'll find your way. before you do, stop trying to disprove it exists.
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Sometimes I think the bible is now. The entire NT a prophecy written in code. I am no bible scholar .....I'm just making an observation.

Bizarre.....I know.
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Not bizarre at all. The shit half of these clowns spew out is, but what you mentioned clicks with me at times.

Like history parallels, or repeats, idk. There's definetly something to your comment though.

And I don't just mean 'revelations horse is Israel, etc.'

The deeper, less known passages.

Zecharia mentions an Eagle and a flag in a way that seems to perfectly depict America and her whorish fall.

Think about it...We ARE the whore in a cultural sense...Melting pot, etc.....trading with all other nations, yet comprised of all of them...

As for the 'code' aspect, it IS strange how things are repeated and spaced out yes, but I see two things:

When TPTB wanted to use the bible for control-which is what half these doomtards blame the SOURCE for, they did implement some kind of fractal pattering or sacred geometry into their translations...
or...
The sacred geometry and fractal patterns are PRODUCT of the Word existing throughout times, peoples and histories.

With the exception of who I'm responding to I can tell I'm wasting my words here..

Some of these posted comments are shit; a testament to what this forum has become.

believe or don't, that's on you...quit whining about others who share their experience, and DEAL with the fact that we believe what we do.

If you're aethiest you shouldn't CARE about the nativity scenes downtown.. You want attention drawn to your pathetic cry for an indifferent, edgy mentality.
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again...I'm probably wasting my time here.
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Josephus was hired by the Romans to record Jewish history at the time of Jesus. His writings exist today and he historically records the life of Jesus. Jesus did in fact live on the earth. You can learn about Josephus here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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No, there is more truth in the parables than in Jesus.

The bible is a collection of parables.

None of the characters in the bible ever existed.
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clappa its funny that people literary. Like there were men named Phil tim steve 2000 years ago in the middle east lol
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right, moran.

don't use the clappa unless you can understand content.

There WERE people with those names; try reading original scriptures-after you learn to translate (which you never will from that ignorant ass armchair)-and you'll find these were the REAL names, just pronounced differently.
'lol' indeed, sir.

And to the post above. Jesus WAS the Truth PROVIDING the parables. Wow. Wherever it is you people come up with this crap needs a seperate island..one with an abundance of similar ridiculous trash to bounce your ideas off of. Just uh...keep them there.
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Josephus was hired by the Romans to record Jewish history at the time of Jesus. His writings exist today and he historically records the life of Jesus. Jesus did in fact live on the earth. You can learn about Josephus here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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correct. Thank you for the link, and finally affirming that glp isn't one giant hive mentality of nibiru garbage and retarded armchair theists (or anti, as it were).

Yes, it is true there were a few Jesus', but only one Christ. ONE father. Holy Immortal One.

Sadly, it's 'chic' to warp the Truth for the sake of looking creative or edgy today. Especially on this forum.

To my chagrin, I return daily to edify such ridiculous notions.....Like on Voice Chat. Most have heard me.

I'm the one who DOES give up and leave when 20 15 year olds continuously spam ignorant trash to derail the Truth from being spoken.

Anyway.
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I don't think the biblical "Jesus" ever existed....I too think the stories are about a number of people. One notable, if you read the Dead Sea Scrolls, is a certain Essene holy man named "Joshua" who was called the "Teacher of Righteousness"...he led a rebellion against Rome and was crucified...and DIED. He certainly wasn't god nor did he rise from the dead. He was just a righteous man who many pious Jews followed.

I agree, after the Council of Nicea, Constantine demanded that their be a UNIFIED religion for the good of the empire...and the vote was taken as to the nature of the new god "Jesus Christ". Since Mithras, who was the god of the Roman Army, was a "god man"....then Jesus had to be on a par with him...so that was voted as his nature.

Frankly, it's all a bunch of political mumbo jumbo.

and I used to be a Southern Baptist minister. They don't teach you there things in seminary...I wonder why.
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I can see why you say 'used to be'. Essentially never were.

You can't just toss out a couple historical figures to candy coat your utter SHIT.

Then again, you said 'don't think'. Maybe you got that part right.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
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The Josephus references have long been known as fraudulent, added a few hundred years AFTER Josephus did his writing.

And even if that were not the case, Josephus wasn't yet born when the alleged Jesus walked the earth. That would make it hearsay (at best).

There are ZERO mentions of him in any contemporary sources; odd that the 'son of God' could inhabit the earth and nobody at the time thought enough about him to write a single word about him.

In other words, there is ZERO evidence of the existence of the alleged Jesus, and yet an abundance of evidence that suggests him to be a complete fabrication.
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other than the bible an a few vague references by Josephus not much historical proof. still, i think he existed, i just don't know how much is fact and how much is legend.
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The Josephus references have long been known as fraudulent, added a few hundred years AFTER Josephus did his writing.

And even if that were not the case, Josephus wasn't yet born when the alleged Jesus walked the earth. That would make it hearsay (at best).

There are ZERO mentions of him in any contemporary sources; odd that the 'son of God' could inhabit the earth and nobody at the time thought enough about him to write a single word about him.

In other words, there is ZERO evidence of the existence of the alleged Jesus, and yet an abundance of evidence that suggests him to be a complete fabrication.
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bullshit spin on something that FAILED so many years ago.

what's odd is that you really think countless scribes DIDN'T write about J.C.

You're the same type to use something obscure like Josephus and use it to counter Truth. You fail, sir. I applaud your attempt, however, and, sadly, most will fall into your bullshit antichristian mentality. After all, it's 'fringe', and that's what 80% of you are here for.

fringe: noun- crap.
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If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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Yes I believe he existed and that he was the Son of God.

Can I prove this beyond reasonable doubt? No. I have evidence of his existence (bible, josephus, etc.) whereas I have yet to find evidence that he did NOT exist.

Can I prove he is the Son of God? No. I have chosen to believe that he is though. Why did I choose this? To me it is a part of the ONLY logical conclusion out of the many various explanations given for our existence and purpose in life.
Yes I believe that God is real, that Jesus died for us and that we can choose to accept it or not...
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pearls, etc. I'm out.
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I don't "believe" I KNOW because he is returned and my best friend and we created AbundantHope the 2nd Coming Organization together. I chat every day with him and others. and my global team also does same.
The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

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Josephus was hired by the Romans to record Jewish history at the time of Jesus. His writings exist today and he historically records the life of Jesus. Jesus did in fact live on the earth. You can learn about Josephus here:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Josephus wasn't even BORN until 37 CE...several years AFTER 'Jesus' died.

That alone indicates that you just lied.

Further, the mention of 'Jesus' in Josephus' writing was proven to be a forgery.

You may want to consider a different screen name.
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If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research.
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Yes I believe he existed and that he was the Son of God.

Can I prove this beyond reasonable doubt? No. I have evidence of his existence (bible, josephus, etc.) whereas I have yet to find evidence that he did NOT exist.

Can I prove he is the Son of God? No. I have chosen to believe that he is though. Why did I choose this? To me it is a part of the ONLY logical conclusion out of the many various explanations given for our existence and purpose in life.
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he was THE SON OF GOD?????? you believe the Trinity 2nd person lie I take it. every God knowing human, celestial or from the animal evolution is a Son of God.

You are denying your own sonship with God when you make such a statement. It is a lie introduced by the catholic church long ago. He is but one Son of Trillions of sons of God. His genetic Father was Gabriell I hope you don't beleive Creator inseminated Mary, oh I so hope not.

There have been many great Sons of God that have visited this planet by incarnation. He was not the only one and isn't the only one, they walk this world NOW

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The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago.

"MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER,
AMEN.

Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One

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bullshit spin on something that FAILED so many years ago.

what's odd is that you really think countless scribes DIDN'T write about J.C.

You're the same type to use something obscure like Josephus and use it to counter Truth. You fail, sir. I applaud your attempt, however, and, sadly, most will fall into your bullshit antichristian mentality. After all, it's 'fringe', and that's what 80% of you are here for.

fringe: noun- crap.
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Sorry, Mister Jesus-tard, but there's NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT WOULD SUGGEST 'JESUS' EVER LIVED.


Nobody wrote a word about 'Jesus' during his alleged lifetime. There is absolutely NO evidence to contradict the statement. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Oh, 'Jesus' was from the village/town/city (described all threee ways) called Nazareth. OOPS....guess what? There was no Nazareth until around 100 CE.

You'd have to be a complete moron to believe there was a 'Jesus'.
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"If you do, on what evidence do you base your conviction/belief? When I say evidence, I don't mean miracles and tradition, but scientific/historical/anthropological research."

Yes I believe he was a real person

You are saying "what evidence do you base your conviction/belief?" and then you say "I don't mean miracles and tradition" But the word "belief" necessarily means miracles and tradition and not scientific/historical/anthropological research.

A "belief" is never scientific.

I studied the bible as literature and nothing made sense to me until I actually had a personal experience with prayer. So, rather than answer the question the way you want it to be answered, I'm going to say yes I believe he was a historical person based on my personal experiences with prayer and the effects of prayers to Jesus in my life which led me to my "convictions" that he is real... which logically followed afterward, my decision to study the bible, especially the four gospels which describe his life and acts. The bible only made "sense" to me after believing in Jesus as a result of my experiences. Reading the bible in this light led me to understand that he was an actual historical person.

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