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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9788321 United States 11/29/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I rather mankind be as it was created to be. Imperfect, but ever striving to understand his universe through the cerebral cortex he's been blessed with. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 After all, Christian demands that we become "childlike" or "animal-like" and asks us to ignore the logic and reasoning we've been allowed to possess, in favor of mindless "faith" in a Hebrew god who proves himself violent and capricious in the Old Testament. You are hilariously ignorant of both Jewish and Christian spirituality. Enlighten me then? Doesn't your faith demand you spread the good news? Pray, what good news doth thou havest for me? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28104499 United States 11/29/2012 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | beloved go back and read the post, I added greatly to it. I am no cult member, I am a very liberated individual. You believe Jesus actually existed. Therefore you are in a cult of personality whether you realize it or not. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28544497 Canada 11/29/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently religitards are only serving their master because they desire the riches of heaven, or they're scared of being tossed into an eternal barbecue. I'm sure your god will look favorably on your obsession with "self-interest" and "worrying about yourself". If you serve the right Master, you will serve others. 'When did I see you in prison and visited you - when you visited the least of my brothers. Self-interest is the commonality that binds all men (don't pretend you don't have it when it's a part of all of our natures). We come to God out of self-interest, He transforms us slowly through faith and we become useful to others. People who think they are selfless very often get discouraged with good works when they realize that their values (no God, no rewards, no Eternity, faith in humanity) don't line up with the thanklessness and utter godlessness that they may encounter. They may encounter occasional encouragement and then shut themselves up quicker than you can say Ebenezer Scrooge. Discourage faith in others and you are discouraging good works for years to come. Is it worth it? Especially if a friend or relative of yours might come on this receiving end of faith? I rather mankind be as it was created to be. Imperfect, but ever striving to understand his universe through the cerebral cortex he's been blessed with. After all, Christian demands that we become "childlike" or "animal-like" and asks us to ignore the logic and reasoning we've been allowed to possess, in favor of mindless "faith" in a Hebrew god who proves himself violent and capricious in the Old Testament. It is not Christian demands, but demands of Christ to be childlike in dependence upon God like He was. Not being childlike in avoiding responsibility or diving into sin. Animal-like is never prescribed by God, that would be Darwin's department. As for the mind, there is only one who has the mind that has always existed. Wouldn't he have the experience to show us the way so as to avoid useless mental constructs built by finite men and the impulses of supernatural evil? Faith is not even close to mindless. Jesus had the best mind and the most perfect faith: He shows that they are not mutually exclusive. You have simply bought into the lie that these cannot exist together because of some bad religious examples. |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many millions of Catholics look down upon you Christians believing their faith is the only true faith. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 How many Christians look down upon Catholics and think the same thing? You're both insane. everyone who identifies themselves as anything but I AM THAT I AM and joins groups of any sort based on skin, culture, religion, politics et all have a problem. It will be a painful lesson for many who will learn they lent their misplaced loyalties to any of these. The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28104499 United States 11/29/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: God Loves ALL beloved go back and read the post, I added greatly to it. I am no cult member, I am a very liberated individual. You believe Jesus actually existed. Therefore you are in a cult of personality whether you realize it or not. Beloved, I chat with him every day. I also visit his ship often. I sit often in his presence, we share at a table. He is very real. And returned. and he never taught the shit that is in the churches nor did he start a church. He and together founded the 2nd Coming Organization AbundantHope. We are not a belief system, we are the group that is going to govern this planet into the stage of LIght and Life. I have a large global embodied crew/team and we all are involved in making the plans upcoming for this world. Religion has nothing to do with it. I actually respect your delusions more than normal religious folk, because at least your mind believes it has experienced proof firsthand. Good on you. Tell your Jesus to burn all the Bibles in existence. Take out the Koran and Torah while your at it. HE COULD BURN ALL THE BIBLES AND NO LESS PEOPLE WOULD ENTER HIS KINGDOM... TRUTH SEEKING AND FAITH ...GOD REVEALS ALL...THE BOOK ONLY CONFIRMS THE EXPERIENCE WAS REAL WHEN CERTAIN VERSES WERE SPOKEN TO YOU... BEFORE YOU PICKED UP A BOOK. THE BOOK IS NOT NEEDED... SALVATION DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE BOOK. ALTHOUGH THE TESTIMONIES ARE TRUE |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 Apparently religitards are only serving their master because they desire the riches of heaven, or they're scared of being tossed into an eternal barbecue. I'm sure your god will look favorably on your obsession with "self-interest" and "worrying about yourself". If you serve the right Master, you will serve others. 'When did I see you in prison and visited you - when you visited the least of my brothers. Self-interest is the commonality that binds all men (don't pretend you don't have it when it's a part of all of our natures). We come to God out of self-interest, He transforms us slowly through faith and we become useful to others. People who think they are selfless very often get discouraged with good works when they realize that their values (no God, no rewards, no Eternity, faith in humanity) don't line up with the thanklessness and utter godlessness that they may encounter. They may encounter occasional encouragement and then shut themselves up quicker than you can say Ebenezer Scrooge. Discourage faith in others and you are discouraging good works for years to come. Is it worth it? Especially if a friend or relative of yours might come on this receiving end of faith? I rather mankind be as it was created to be. Imperfect, but ever striving to understand his universe through the cerebral cortex he's been blessed with. After all, Christian demands that we become "childlike" or "animal-like" and asks us to ignore the logic and reasoning we've been allowed to possess, in favor of mindless "faith" in a Hebrew god who proves himself violent and capricious in the Old Testament. It is not Christian demands, but demands of Christ to be childlike in dependence upon God like He was. Not being childlike in avoiding responsibility or diving into sin. Animal-like is never prescribed by God, that would be Darwin's department. As for the mind, there is only one who has the mind that has always existed. Wouldn't he have the experience to show us the way so as to avoid useless mental constructs built by finite men and the impulses of supernatural evil? Faith is not even close to mindless. Jesus had the best mind and the most perfect faith: He shows that they are not mutually exclusive. You have simply bought into the lie that these cannot exist together because of some bad religious examples. OH please, what TRASH you have just written. That is not what it means to be childlike. Look at the child. He has not yet been formed heavily by his culture. He is still free. He is curious. He asks WHY all the time. We do not need babies who need to be bottle fed by organized religion. Christ called for Mature Spirit. There in only one that has the mind of Creator or whatever you just said. NO NO NO NO and NO. Mind and Faith as you say are not mutually exclusive, in Fact they are necessary to become a spiritual adult, a God Conscious person, but you definition of child like sucks big time. Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/29/2012 09:30 PM The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9788321 United States 11/29/2012 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one with half a brain is an Atheist, or any other religion. The wise man is one who admits he knows nothing about the nature of God. I believe there is a God, just not the moronic Old Testament interpretation. I have no preconceived notions of who it is or what it's nature is all about. I'll find out someday! Or maybe I won't, it doesn't really matter. I'm not scared of burning in hell if the hebrew god exists, because that would only prove that a bastard god created a bastard creation and condemned that creation to eternal torment like a bastard. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28104499 United States 11/29/2012 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently religitards are only serving their master because they desire the riches of heaven, or they're scared of being tossed into an eternal barbecue. I'm sure your god will look favorably on your obsession with "self-interest" and "worrying about yourself". YEAH GOD KNOWS EVERYONES BS |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one with half a brain is an Atheist, or any other religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 The wise man is one who admits he knows nothing about the nature of God. I believe there is a God, just not the moronic Old Testament interpretation. I have no preconceived notions of who it is or what it's nature is all about. I'll find out someday! Or maybe I won't, it doesn't really matter. I'm not scared of burning in hell if the hebrew god exists, because that would only prove that a bastard god created a bastard creation and condemned that creation to eternal torment like a bastard. the truly WISE man does KNOW a lot about the nature of God. I did not say bible "knowledge", I mean one who has gained great wisdom because great wisdom is of God and the 5d Conscious man on up, is one who knows GOD within HIm, and has developed cosmic consciousness. I would suggest OP you ought to be reading some Walter Russell. The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus gave a simple statement. He said anyone with even a mustard seed of faith, could say to the Mountain, Move into the sea and it would. That is FAITH. These ones don't have it. The allow the antichrist everything he requests. That we are still in the MIddle EAst after the very obvious 911 is proof. There is no faith in these groups. They believe in destruction and that God wants it. which is BS. So they have used their combined efforts to do NOTHING OF GOD. Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/29/2012 09:36 PM The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9788321 United States 11/29/2012 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one with half a brain is an Atheist, or any other religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 The wise man is one who admits he knows nothing about the nature of God. I believe there is a God, just not the moronic Old Testament interpretation. I have no preconceived notions of who it is or what it's nature is all about. I'll find out someday! Or maybe I won't, it doesn't really matter. I'm not scared of burning in hell if the hebrew god exists, because that would only prove that a bastard god created a bastard creation and condemned that creation to eternal torment like a bastard. the truly WISE man does KNOW a lot about the nature of God. I did not say bible "knowledge", I mean one who has gained great wisdom because great wisdom is of God and the 5d Conscious man on up, is one who knows GOD within HIm, and has developed cosmic consciousness. I would suggest OP you ought to be reading some Walter Russell. Wrong. We can't trust our own senses, so unless you go into some bullshit mystical third eye /dimensions /vibrations stuff... (Which is a belief in and of itself) Our senses can ALWAYS be wrong. Also, what's true for you isn't necessarily true for me. Unless you want to invite me onto that mystical spaceship Jesus of yours, then I really don't consider you wise, only selfish. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9788321 United States 11/29/2012 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't get me wrong. I do FEEL (what I perceive to be) GOD. I feel love that is beyond comprehension or understanding. HOWEVER, I'm not going to suddenly claim I truly know what those sensations are. That would only lead to more foolish endeavors such as ideologies and religions. |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 09:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one with half a brain is an Atheist, or any other religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 The wise man is one who admits he knows nothing about the nature of God. I believe there is a God, just not the moronic Old Testament interpretation. I have no preconceived notions of who it is or what it's nature is all about. I'll find out someday! Or maybe I won't, it doesn't really matter. I'm not scared of burning in hell if the hebrew god exists, because that would only prove that a bastard god created a bastard creation and condemned that creation to eternal torment like a bastard. the truly WISE man does KNOW a lot about the nature of God. I did not say bible "knowledge", I mean one who has gained great wisdom because great wisdom is of God and the 5d Conscious man on up, is one who knows GOD within HIm, and has developed cosmic consciousness. I would suggest OP you ought to be reading some Walter Russell. Wrong. We can't trust our own senses, so unless you go into some bullshit mystical third eye /dimensions /vibrations stuff... (Which is a belief in and of itself) Our senses can ALWAYS be wrong. Also, what's true for you isn't necessarily true for me. Unless you want to invite me onto that mystical spaceship Jesus of yours, then I really don't consider you wise, only selfish. a wise man does gets out of his sense and into the mind of God. I KNOW, for that is HOW I AM. you are not to trust the senses, they totally mislead you. READ WALTER RUSSELL. He is every where free on the web now as people got tired of the thugs that sell it only in expensive books and got it up fee. I have a simple thread running. There is no bullshit mystical 3rd eye. There is MEDITATION and if you go to walter russell you will read the difference. mysticism is not the way to god knowing either. It is still just BS religious stuff as is almost all of new age. You wil, if you remain after the 3DD's get to see him ON TV for he has been returned since 1954. I will be there too as well as many of our global team members. You will have the proof right in your face. Not stop the BS ing with me, it will not work. I KNOW WHO and WHAT I AM and WHAT I DO as well as the rest of my global team also does. You have not walked a day in my shoes so YOU don't get to judge them. I am very consciously involved in what I DO. Last Edited by God Loves ALL on 11/29/2012 09:44 PM The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
God Loves ALL User ID: 24314824 United States 11/29/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Apparently religitards are only serving their master because they desire the riches of heaven, or they're scared of being tossed into an eternal barbecue. I'm sure your god will look favorably on your obsession with "self-interest" and "worrying about yourself". If you serve the right Master, you will serve others. 'When did I see you in prison and visited you - when you visited the least of my brothers. Self-interest is the commonality that binds all men (don't pretend you don't have it when it's a part of all of our natures). We come to God out of self-interest, He transforms us slowly through faith and we become useful to others. People who think they are selfless very often get discouraged with good works when they realize that their values (no God, no rewards, no Eternity, faith in humanity) don't line up with the thanklessness and utter godlessness that they may encounter. They may encounter occasional encouragement and then shut themselves up quicker than you can say Ebenezer Scrooge. Discourage faith in others and you are discouraging good works for years to come. Is it worth it? Especially if a friend or relative of yours might come on this receiving end of faith? I rather mankind be as it was created to be. Imperfect, but ever striving to understand his universe through the cerebral cortex he's been blessed with. After all, Christian demands that we become "childlike" or "animal-like" and asks us to ignore the logic and reasoning we've been allowed to possess, in favor of mindless "faith" in a Hebrew god who proves himself violent and capricious in the Old Testament. Op you are blatantly ignorant, it would best for you to take some time out and reason. Man explores the universe thru his MIND not his brain for starters. Religion does that yes, and it is antithetical to finding truth of spirit. The actual Lord's Prayer Given by Jesus 2000 years ago. "MY SPIRIT, YOU ARE OMNIPOTENT. YOUR NAME IS HOLY. MAY YOUR REALM BE INCARNATE IN ME. MAY YOUR POWER REVEAL ITSELF WITHIN ME, ON EARTH AND IN THE HEAVEN. GIVE ME TODAY MY DAILY BREAD, AND THUS, LET ME RECOGNIZE MY TRANSGRESSIONS AND ERRORS, AND I SHALL RECOGNIZE THE TRUTH. AND DO NOT LEAD ME INTO TEMPTATION AND CONFUSION, BUT DELIVER ME FROM ERROR. FOR YOURS IS THE REALM WITHIN ME AND THE POWER AND THE KNOWLEDGE FOREVER, AMEN. Nice video: [link to www.youtube.com] Make this World a Better One Thread: Walter Russell Quotes Walter Russell thread |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 9788321 United States 11/29/2012 10:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 Apparently religitards are only serving their master because they desire the riches of heaven, or they're scared of being tossed into an eternal barbecue. I'm sure your god will look favorably on your obsession with "self-interest" and "worrying about yourself". If you serve the right Master, you will serve others. 'When did I see you in prison and visited you - when you visited the least of my brothers. Self-interest is the commonality that binds all men (don't pretend you don't have it when it's a part of all of our natures). We come to God out of self-interest, He transforms us slowly through faith and we become useful to others. People who think they are selfless very often get discouraged with good works when they realize that their values (no God, no rewards, no Eternity, faith in humanity) don't line up with the thanklessness and utter godlessness that they may encounter. They may encounter occasional encouragement and then shut themselves up quicker than you can say Ebenezer Scrooge. Discourage faith in others and you are discouraging good works for years to come. Is it worth it? Especially if a friend or relative of yours might come on this receiving end of faith? I rather mankind be as it was created to be. Imperfect, but ever striving to understand his universe through the cerebral cortex he's been blessed with. After all, Christian demands that we become "childlike" or "animal-like" and asks us to ignore the logic and reasoning we've been allowed to possess, in favor of mindless "faith" in a Hebrew god who proves himself violent and capricious in the Old Testament. Op you are blatantly ignorant, it would best for you to take some time out and reason. Man explores the universe thru his MIND not his brain for starters. Religion does that yes, and it is antithetical to finding truth of spirit. I am still waiting for that invitation to your "Starship Jesus". Until I get that, I can consider you delusional just as easily as you can consider me ignorant. It doesn't change what is, though. That is beyond either of us. |
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New Age Messiah User ID: 9993365 United States 11/29/2012 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am still waiting for that invitation to your "Starship Jesus". Until I get that, I can consider you delusional just as easily as you can consider me ignorant. It doesn't change what is, though. That is beyond either of us. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321 Seems he's into the Urantia book, him quoting Jesus as if Jesus was a master or said any of the shit attributed to him proves he's ignorant. |
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