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Message Subject what are the advantages and disadvantages of declaring personal sovereignty???
Poster Handle Goodmen
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I don't really consider what I say about property to be solely philosophy because it's based upon physical properties. In reality no two people can physically occupy the same space, but anyone can occupy an empty space.

While it is true that a person can be forced off of the land they occupy, it is only because it is widely agreed upon that people contribute to the forcing of those off of property that they physically own. If you want a return to reality, a return to what's physically true rather than what is agreed to be true then you simply start living your life based upon physical reality and forget about all the imagined reality.

True there will be those that try to hurt you for disagreeing with their made up reality, but the life of a revolutionary is not without its perils. If we are going to return to reality, a life based upon physically existent rules, then we must start somewhere. Big things have small beginnings.

If you do not want a return to a life based upon physical reality then by all means continue living in a system that is, in my own personal opinion, based upon imaginary rules. So really if you want it do it, if you don't then don't.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417

See, I believe in Property rights... Currently I live in a City without even a real yard but my last home had some land and I would have been pissed if people just decided to pitch a tent on my land. I would have called the Police. They would have removed them. That IS reality.

In the early 1800s I probably would have had to get in a gunfight to get them off my land- That was the reality then (not wanting to go back to that...)

Nope, I enjoy property rights and wouldn't want someone trespassing in MY land because I am not currently occupying the space.
-Not sure if I am understanding you right though- is that what you are saying, that if nobody is physically present anyone else should have the right to that space?
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

Hope you don't mind if I shrink these quotes to save some space.

I think you understand what I'm saying, but there's more to it than just being able to occupy an empty space. Contrary to popular belief this world is big enough for the two of us. Simply because a person can pitch a tent in what you consider your yard doesn't mean they will. Believe it or not I'm sure most people don't want to live in your yard and if they were able to pitch a tent or house in any empty space on Earth then I'm sure they would prefer to pitch it in an area where they have plenty of space too rather than in your yard.

So even though a person can pitch a tent in your yard, they probably wont because, like you, neither do they want you living in their backyard. There's plenty of space and although they can they have no need to enter your personal space.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19588417

No, I had Land (like nearly 88 acres) in the foothills of the Mountains in kentucky (close to the TN Border) which I bought so I could have the Privacy I wanted- So my wife and I could stroll around on our property and enjoy it in peace, so my kids could run off and play without needing constant supervision.

Sure there is room for us both- But not on my property (unless I allowed it which I sometimes did- Hell some strangers asked if they could hunt one day and I allowed it)- Would you not mind someone pitching a tent in your yard and just living there?

I guess its a philosophical difference since I am very , very keen on Property rights. Whats mine is mine.

Now, I also know that I really do not "own" land (back to the Indians) as I have taxes and will die. BUT I temporarily "own" the land, build equity and have the right to use it- But others do not absent of my permission.

That sounds almost Communistic (the ideal of no real property rights)
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