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Proof fire and brimstone fell on Sodom and Gomorrah!

 
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Indeed the Son of Men came to save, but the people choose death!!!

Anyone who does not choose Life (YahuShua HaMashiach, Jesus Christ) chooses death!
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That's the company line, but if they're *blinded*, as scripture says, how can they be expected to make the right choice?! The problem is that you churchbots don't know the first thing about Mercy, because you actually think you've done something to merit salvation. You think you've made the right choice, and that all the wicked lost evildoers have deliberately chosen to make the wrong choice and therefore deserve annihilation/eternal torture. You guys think you're the author of your faith, instead of God, and thus have no problem heaping judgment on that awful, horrible Publican over there.

Snap out of it.
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According to you, shouldn't the 'fire' and 'brimstone' only have been symbolic to represent refining the people of Sodom and Gommorah?

The vid, among many things, showed someone's finger and bone marrow, that underwent not symbolic, but literal extreme heat, at the location.
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Well played :) Yeah, looks like people met their earthly demise by this "eternal" fire that's no longer burning. Let us know when they find remains of destroyed souls there.
As I mentioned above, however, Sodom is slated to be restored, so one might question just how "eternal" the effects of this fire are.
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lol, have you forgotten your own argument, that 'eternal' can mean an 'indeterminate length'.
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That's the company line, but if they're *blinded*, as scripture says, how can they be expected to make the right choice?! The problem is that you churchbots don't know the first thing about Mercy, because you actually think you've done something to merit salvation. You think you've made the right choice, and that all the wicked lost evildoers have deliberately chosen to make the wrong choice and therefore deserve annihilation/eternal torture. You guys think you're the author of your faith, instead of God, and thus have no problem heaping judgment on that awful, horrible Publican over there.

Snap out of it.
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According to you, shouldn't the 'fire' and 'brimstone' only have been symbolic to represent refining the people of Sodom and Gommorah?

The vid, among many things, showed someone's finger and bone marrow, that underwent not symbolic, but literal extreme heat, at the location.
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Well played :) Yeah, looks like people met their earthly demise by this "eternal" fire that's no longer burning. Let us know when they find remains of destroyed souls there.
As I mentioned above, however, Sodom is slated to be restored, so one might question just how "eternal" the effects of this fire are.
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lol, have you forgotten your own argument, that 'eternal' can mean an 'indeterminate length'.
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Um, no, that's exactly what I'm saying. The KJV calls this "eternal" fire, but I think we all agree this fire has gone out, yes?
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According to you, shouldn't the 'fire' and 'brimstone' only have been symbolic to represent refining the people of Sodom and Gommorah?

The vid, among many things, showed someone's finger and bone marrow, that underwent not symbolic, but literal extreme heat, at the location.
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Well played :) Yeah, looks like people met their earthly demise by this "eternal" fire that's no longer burning. Let us know when they find remains of destroyed souls there.
As I mentioned above, however, Sodom is slated to be restored, so one might question just how "eternal" the effects of this fire are.
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lol, have you forgotten your own argument, that 'eternal' can mean an 'indeterminate length'.
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Um, no, that's exactly what I'm saying. The KJV calls this "eternal" fire, but I think we all agree this fire has gone out, yes?
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This is already discussed, at least for the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period.

Also Regardless

The 'fire' and 'brimstone / sulfur' certainly wasn't symbolic and purifying, which all who don't believe in hellfire, felt these were only symbolic.

The evidence from the vid, clearly proves people who believe these elements are only symbolic, is incorrect.
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This is already discussed, at least for the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period.
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That would suggest then that it means entirely *any* length of time of non-time anyone wants it to mean, when the point is that being "of the age" (aionian or aionios) by definition gives it a beginning and an end.

Further, even if it did include the endless stretch of non-time which we call "eternity", aionian still also encompasses finite lengths of time (such as Jonah's ordeal inside the fish).

The 'fire' and 'brimstone / sulfur' certainly wasn't symbolic and purifying, which all who don't believe in hellfire, felt these were only symbolic.

The evidence from the vid, clearly proves people who believe these elements are only symbolic, is incorrect.
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No, this was literal fire and brimstone, agreed. As for whether it was purifying, we'll find out when those folks are resurrected, won't we? ;)
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This is already discussed, at least for the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period.
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That would suggest then that it means entirely *any* length of time of non-time anyone wants it to mean, when the point is that being "of the age" (aionian or aionios) by definition gives it a beginning and an end.
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You clearly don't know the the multiple definitions.

You're blending defintions, when the word, has


1) multiple

2) and distinct definitions.


To blend, the definitions, which you are doing, would be to clearly contradict it's multiple and very distinct meanings.
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This is already discussed, at least for the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period.
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That would suggest then that it means entirely *any* length of time of non-time anyone wants it to mean, when the point is that being "of the age" (aionian or aionios) by definition gives it a beginning and an end.
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You clearly don't know the the multiple definitions.

You're blending defintions, when the word, has


1) multiple

2) and distinct definitions.


To blend, the definitions, which you are doing, would be to clearly contradict it's multiple and very distinct meanings.
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How am *I* blending definitions when I just quoted you stating that "the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period"? The fact that it even can mean a finite period is a massive blow to the encrusted doctrine of irrevocable afterlife torture which churchbots everywhere revel in.
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Tangent: The book of Jude calls it "eternal" fire, but it doesn't seem to still be burning. . .curious, no?
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Book of Jude speaks of Hell not sodom.
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Why do people try to reason with religitards?

No matter how sound your logic is, it will never cure their insanity.

Just let the weak-minded drown in their own delusions.
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Tangent: The book of Jude calls it "eternal" fire, but it doesn't seem to still be burning. . .curious, no?
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Book of Jude speaks of Hell not sodom.
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Many claim this, but it doesn't make for a very good example since we can't see it, does it? Their towns got wiped out and the soil bears witness to that, but using our imagination to picture their souls boiling away in hell doesn't exactly qualify as evidence.
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I just dropped hellfire and brimstone in the toilet
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Why do people try to reason with religitards?

No matter how sound your logic is, it will never cure their insanity.

Just let the weak-minded drown in their own delusions.
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cheers
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Tangent: The book of Jude calls it "eternal" fire, but it doesn't seem to still be burning. . .curious, no?
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Book of Jude speaks of Hell not sodom.
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Many claim this, but it doesn't make for a very good example since we can't see it, does it? Their towns got wiped out and the soil bears witness to that, but using our imagination to picture their souls boiling away in hell doesn't exactly qualify as evidence.
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doesnt say that.It says Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
THEY ARE SET AS AN EXAMPLE!In other words look at them.The fire comes from no-where and destroys.See what He can do.sodom was an example of power .
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This is already discussed, at least for the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period.
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That would suggest then that it means entirely *any* length of time of non-time anyone wants it to mean, when the point is that being "of the age" (aionian or aionios) by definition gives it a beginning and an end.
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You clearly don't know the the multiple definitions.

You're blending defintions, when the word, has


1) multiple

2) and distinct definitions.


To blend, the definitions, which you are doing, would be to clearly contradict it's multiple and very distinct meanings.
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How am *I* blending definitions when I just quoted you stating that "the Greek word, which can mean both eternal, or a period"? The fact that it even can mean a finite period is a massive blow to the encrusted doctrine of irrevocable afterlife torture which churchbots everywhere revel in.
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Let me elaborate. Since the word 'eternal' isn't clear to you. Another meaning and definition is forever. Not an age, or a period, but forever.

Also, aion, and aionios, does not share the same meanings.

Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.

Aiones, does not have the same definitions. No definition, states that it refers to a period that has both a beginning and an end, like Aion.
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doesnt say that.It says Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
THEY ARE SET AS AN EXAMPLE!In other words look at them.The fire comes from no-where and destroys.See what He can do.sodom was an example of power .
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I'm not disputing that. Whether we want to call this fire that wiped them out "hell" or a nuke or whatever, it apparently killed them dead, yes? And I agree, that's a vivid example for us to bear in mind.
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Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.
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And this fact right here is all it takes to compromise centuries-old mental strongholds. In fact, most concordances also include the definition of "world" of aion as well. How does one determine which definition applies to which occurrence of the word aion? I'm really no longer confident with the decisions made by King James' hired scholars, since they based much of their text on Latin renderings, which in earlier translation flip-flopped back and forth between "aeternum" and "seculum" arbitrarily, depending on what they thought God meant in each context.

The predominant belief is that "hellfire lasts for eternity", but you've just rightly claimed that the Greek word(s) for "eternity" can indicate something temporary. That's a significant objection to this doctrine, and hopefully some will pursue it further down the rabbit hole.
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Many illustrations here

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and here

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Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.
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And this fact right here is all it takes to compromise centuries-old mental strongholds. In fact, most concordances also include the definition of "world" of aion as well. How does one determine which definition applies to which occurrence of the word aion?/quote]

So refer to the original Greek word aiones then and not aion.

Which doesn't have as one of it's definitions, a period that has both a beginning and end.

From here, you can make a more accurate conclusion, about the true meaning of the scripture, since we can rule out, that the scripture is not referring to a period, that has both a beginning and end.
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Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.
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The predominant belief is that "hellfire lasts for eternity", but you've just rightly claimed that the Greek word(s) for "eternity" can indicate something temporary. That's a significant objection to this doctrine, and hopefully some will pursue it further down the rabbit hole.
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lol you didn't read did you.

What did I state, about the difference between aion and aiones.

You clearly didn't read.
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Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.
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And this fact right here is all it takes to compromise centuries-old mental strongholds. In fact, most concordances also include the definition of "world" of aion as well. How does one determine which definition applies to which occurrence of the word aion?/quote]

So refer to the original Greek word aiones then and not aion.

Which doesn't have as one of it's definitions, a period that has both a beginning and end.

From here, you can make a more accurate conclusion, about the true meaning of the scripture, since we can rule out, that the scripture is not referring to a period, that has both a beginning and end.
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Can you cite some scriptures or a concordance which use the term aiones?
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Aion, can refer to both a period, or can mean forever.
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And this fact right here is all it takes to compromise centuries-old mental strongholds. In fact, most concordances also include the definition of "world" of aion as well. How does one determine which definition applies to which occurrence of the word aion?/quote]

So refer to the original Greek word aiones then and not aion.

Which doesn't have as one of it's definitions, a period that has both a beginning and end.

From here, you can make a more accurate conclusion, about the true meaning of the scripture, since we can rule out, that the scripture is not referring to a period, that has both a beginning and end.
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Can you cite some scriptures or a concordance which use the term aiones?
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Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Both "eternal"s there are aionios, G166 in the Strong's concordance, which claims the word means

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

despite the fact that Paul in Romans 16 uses this term within the phrase "since the word began" and again in 2 Timothy 1 and Titus 1. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

If aionios = eternity, then in Titus the phrase rightly should say "before the eternity began". Completely contradicts the official definition of being "endless" or "without beginning".
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Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Both "eternal"s there are aionios, G166 in the Strong's concordance, which claims the word means

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

despite the fact that Paul in Romans 16 uses this term within the phrase "since the word began" and again in 2 Timothy 1 and Titus 1. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

If aionios = eternity, then in Titus the phrase rightly should say "before the eternity began". Completely contradicts the official definition of being "endless" or "without beginning".
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lol, once again you ignore all three distinct possible definitions.

The word, can mean

1) or 2) or 3) Do you know what the word 'or' means?

In the scripture you presented, the obvious definition is 3) without end.

This doesn't mean, it has to have a beginning

lol
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No fire and brimstone. Plasma rays were used from craft to destroy the cities. They were quite evil and the nice people from the planet Jehovah carried it out on orders from the spiritual hierarchy.
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Proves you didnt' watch the video.

There was brimstone / sulfur, that appeared to be like large hails.

In addition, the brimstone, was taken to be examined.

The researchers, discovered, the brimstone, is composed of 98% sulfur.

This is not natural, it does not exist anywhere on this Earth, not even from volcanoes.

The brimstones, that littered specifically the area, was shown to have fallen from the sky, due to it being embedded vertically downwards into the rock.

This is not a 'plasma ray'

These brimstones, don't exist on this Earth.
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these brimstones result from the plasma ray process. Other than volcanic action, no brimstone is possible to fall from the sky. the plasma rays would embed the melted stuff in this manner. vertically. The cities were destroyed on purpose. Sulfur, will yes, the cities manufactured products of OIL, and as the oil spread across the LAKE, there was a nice LAKE OF FIRE produced, which is I suppose the origin of the lake of fire in the OT belief, a memory of that event. The plasma rays destroy the SOUL and thus the belief system today in "hell fire" and the soul burning in "hell" or going into a lake of fire destruction. That is why certain people of a godly nature were given notice to get out of there. And it was far more than Lot, and family. We have an issue of legends here that have merit, but the story has corrupted over time.

There would be sulfur too, in those very fried bodies for that matter.
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No fire and brimstone. Plasma rays were used from craft to destroy the cities. They were quite evil and the nice people from the planet Jehovah carried it out on orders from the spiritual hierarchy.
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Proves you didnt' watch the video.

There was brimstone / sulfur, that appeared to be like large hails.

In addition, the brimstone, was taken to be examined.

The researchers, discovered, the brimstone, is composed of 98% sulfur.

This is not natural, it does not exist anywhere on this Earth, not even from volcanoes.

The brimstones, that littered specifically the area, was shown to have fallen from the sky, due to it being embedded vertically downwards into the rock.

This is not a 'plasma ray'

These brimstones, don't exist on this Earth.
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these brimstones result from the plasma ray process.
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lol really, where's evidence that the 'plasma ray process' produces sulfur, with a unique property that doesn't exist on this Earth, is produced and is a by product.
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Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Both "eternal"s there are aionios, G166 in the Strong's concordance, which claims the word means

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

despite the fact that Paul in Romans 16 uses this term within the phrase "since the word began" and again in 2 Timothy 1 and Titus 1. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

If aionios = eternity, then in Titus the phrase rightly should say "before the eternity began". Completely contradicts the official definition of being "endless" or "without beginning".
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lol, once again you ignore all three distinct possible definitions.

The word, can mean

1) or 2) or 3) Do you know what the word 'or' means?

In the scripture you presented, the obvious definition is 3) without end.

This doesn't mean, it has to have a beginning

lol
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That's no different that the word aion, which the same concordance says means an "age", "world" or "eternity", in that they've provided a list of definitions that reflect however they used it, which is kind of backwards.
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What appeared to be distant, non-descript rock formations out in the middle of the sun-parched Israeli desert, turns out to be the ashen remains of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah; found still standing, and covered with millions of chunks of brimstone! Join Michael on the shore of the Dead Sea where the quest for these ancient Biblical cities begins. via Michael Rood
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Q: Do you suppose that Onesimus is still at Philemon's house?
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Mathew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
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Both "eternal"s there are aionios, G166 in the Strong's concordance, which claims the word means

1) without beginning and end, that which always has been and always will be
2) without beginning
3) without end, never to cease, everlasting

despite the fact that Paul in Romans 16 uses this term within the phrase "since the word began" and again in 2 Timothy 1 and Titus 1. . .

[link to www.blueletterbible.org]

If aionios = eternity, then in Titus the phrase rightly should say "before the eternity began". Completely contradicts the official definition of being "endless" or "without beginning".
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lol, once again you ignore all three distinct possible definitions.

The word, can mean

1) or 2) or 3) Do you know what the word 'or' means?

In the scripture you presented, the obvious definition is 3) without end.

This doesn't mean, it has to have a beginning

lol
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That's no different that the word aion, which the same concordance says means an "age", "world" or "eternity", in that they've provided a list of definitions that reflect however they used it, which is kind of backwards.
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I've already said that about aion.

Also, we're not talking about the word aion are we?

We're talking about the word aionios.

Again, it stated they will go away into eternal / aionios punishment.

Aionios, has 3 meanings.

Which of these three can it be?

It states, they will go away into eternal punishment. Meaning there will be a beginning. So we can rule out definitions 1 and 2.

That then leaves us with definition 3, that it'll be without end.
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We're talking about the word aionios.

Again, it stated they will go away into eternal / aionios punishment.

Aionios, has 3 meanings.

Which of these three can it be?

It states, they will go away into eternal punishment. Meaning there will be a beginning. So we can rule out definitions 1 and 2.

That then leaves us with definition 3, that it'll be without end.
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And that's how long Paul told Philemon to receive brother Onesimus, in Philemon 1:15. Onesy must still be there studying ;)

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