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Welcome to Egypt - Sharia or Bust. Protesters return to Tahrir Sq - Live Feed

 
goodmockingbird
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More and more sirens now.

The protestors are singing very stirring, almost martial old folksong-type chants with drums.

Incredible energy, and I don't see the night ending without violence.

These folks are pissed. They threw off one dictator, and are not going to accept another.
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Turn up the sound, they've got some incredibly rousing music

[link to reuters.livestation.com]

Makes me want to dance around with a green laser...

... or a sword and an AK47
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Reuters cam is down.

Here is live now:

[link to bambuser.com]
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Its all in the big muslim plan to take over the world.....
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Maybe Islam IS the NWO. Why build a totalitarian system from scratch when there is already one with enormous backing out there?
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I've been saying this for years now. Islam is the NWO. Its the perfect tool to subjugate large populations without any resistance.
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Are local reports without links okay?

If so, there have been clashes between pro and anti Morsi in Sidi Gaber, Alexandria - with knives.
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Are local reports without links okay?

If so, there have been clashes between pro and anti Morsi in Sidi Gaber, Alexandria - with knives.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Just heard that too...here a article:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]
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Are local reports without links okay?

If so, there have been clashes between pro and anti Morsi in Sidi Gaber, Alexandria - with knives.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Just heard that too...here a article:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]
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Wow, you're quick!
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Are local reports without links okay?

 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Absolutely! We realize that lots of information may be in a different language, or not even published.

Please tell us what your Egyptian friends are saying.
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Egypt's draft constitution translated - read in full and decide for yourself:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

PS: Previous Constitution under Mubarak - will show you the whole circus about Sharia (article 2, last amendment by Mubarak in 1980) is nothing but, well, a circus.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
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Are local reports without links okay?

 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Absolutely! We realize that lots of information may be in a different language, or not even published.

Please tell us what your Egyptian friends are saying.
 Quoting: goodmockingbird


What they're say is tomorrow, when the pro-Morsi/Muslim Brotherhood crowd comes out for their demonstrations, it will be the second "sawra" (revolution).

As you're listening to the microphones in Tahrir, and you hear that word, you will know what they are talking about.
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Are local reports without links okay?

If so, there have been clashes between pro and anti Morsi in Sidi Gaber, Alexandria - with knives.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Just heard that too...here a article:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


Wow, you're quick!
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


I just went to read updates and it popped up as a new article, lol. Hope it stays calm everywhere, especially tomorrow.
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Egypt's draft constitution translated - read in full and decide for yourself:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

PS: Previous Constitution under Mubarak - will show you the whole circus about Sharia (article 2, last amendment by Mubarak in 1980) is nothing but, well, a circus.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


Lots of gripes in general about the new constitution.

Stuff like refusing to make it illegal for a girl to marry under the age of 18 (9 is sharia) and repealing the FGM law (which was illegal until the beards had a fit, then they changed it to "medically necessary"), refusing to make sex trafficking illegal ... the list goes on.

This still has to go to Morsi, then to the public for approval.

Of course, the judges have to preside over the referendum and they're not working right now.

ZOO is what it is.
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Egypt's draft constitution translated - read in full and decide for yourself:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

PS: Previous Constitution under Mubarak - will show you the whole circus about Sharia (article 2, last amendment by Mubarak in 1980) is nothing but, well, a circus.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


Lots of gripes in general about the new constitution.

Stuff like refusing to make it illegal for a girl to marry under the age of 18 (9 is sharia) and repealing the FGM law (which was illegal until the beards had a fit, then they changed it to "medically necessary"), refusing to make sex trafficking illegal ... the list goes on.

This still has to go to Morsi, then to the public for approval.

Of course, the judges have to preside over the referendum and they're not working right now.

ZOO is what it is.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


TOTAL ZOO! We're all tired of hearing about the Constitution, I mean all these years nobody gave a shit about it or adhered to it, now they're brewing over it like it's a document that will redefine the global civilization or something. There's some things in there that piss me off, written badly...clumsy, I personally don't care about Article 2 because it's followed by Article 3, but starting from Article 31, is when I start scratching my head.

Anyways, this is just the 1st Draft, lets see what they will change before actually putting it up for Referendum. I just want it to get over with already.

And then the whole thing with....the judges....*facepalm / We need to start over in so many areas, not easy to clean all the dirt off from the last 30+ years.
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They rammed it through before the judges could declare the constitutional assembly illegal - and everybody who wasn't pro-sharia quit.

This has been a zoo.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT

Oh damn.
Éireann~

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"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

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"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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Egypt's draft constitution translated - read in full and decide for yourself:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

PS: Previous Constitution under Mubarak - will show you the whole circus about Sharia (article 2, last amendment by Mubarak in 1980) is nothing but, well, a circus.

[link to www.unhcr.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


Lots of gripes in general about the new constitution.

Stuff like refusing to make it illegal for a girl to marry under the age of 18 (9 is sharia) and repealing the FGM law (which was illegal until the beards had a fit, then they changed it to "medically necessary"), refusing to make sex trafficking illegal ... the list goes on.

This still has to go to Morsi, then to the public for approval.

Of course, the judges have to preside over the referendum and they're not working right now.

ZOO is what it is.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


TOTAL ZOO! We're all tired of hearing about the Constitution, I mean all these years nobody gave a shit about it or adhered to it, now they're brewing over it like it's a document that will redefine the global civilization or something. There's some things in there that piss me off, written badly...clumsy, I personally don't care about Article 2 because it's followed by Article 3, but starting from Article 31, is when I start scratching my head.

Anyways, this is just the 1st Draft, lets see what they will change before actually putting it up for Referendum. I just want it to get over with already.

And then the whole thing with....the judges....*facepalm / We need to start over in so many areas, not easy to clean all the dirt off from the last 30+ years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231

Redefining a civilization is never easy.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.
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And then the whole thing with....the judges....*facepalm / We need to start over in so many areas, not easy to clean all the dirt off from the last 30+ years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


It hasn't been only 30+ years, nor has it been 60 years, Egypt has suffered from pretty crappy governments for ... a lot of thousands of years.

"Tens of thousands" of people marching in Minya, more than came out for January 25.
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I don't really care what happens in Egypt, just worry about your own country

Egypt can do what they want, just like America just like Australia

who is to say what is right or wrong

if I was leader, cannabis would be legal, money would be abolished, women wouldn't have a say and multiculturalism would be segregated back to their respective countries.

and that too many people would tell me its wrong,

but instead apparently what is right is ;

cigarettes are legal, money finances the rich and the poorer get poorer, women have feminised men with their so called rightfulness and every western country pays for immigrants and welfare for foreigners

but I say that's wrong and there is countries who agree with me because they are different to this so called norm

the moral to my rant is "who gives a f@#k seriously*
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Please tell me you are using a proxy!
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And then the whole thing with....the judges....*facepalm / We need to start over in so many areas, not easy to clean all the dirt off from the last 30+ years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


It hasn't been only 30+ years, nor has it been 60 years, Egypt has suffered from pretty crappy governments for ... a lot of thousands of years.

"Tens of thousands" of people marching in Minya, more than came out for January 25.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


Maybe we should forget the whole President and Parliament structure and go back to electing a "Pharao"
chuckle

This article is a funny entertaining story, and so typical...

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

I love it that people at least don't shut up anymore, even when the President is around, that shows we do have freedoms now we NEVER had before, at least not in my lifetime.
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I love it that people at least don't shut up anymore, even when the President is around, that shows we do have freedoms now we NEVER had before, at least not in my lifetime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


This is true.

Before the revolution, NOBODY had a political opinion. Well, I'm sure they did, but it was kept quiet.

Very quiet.
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Egypt's draft constitution translated - read in full and decide for yourself:

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


Article 44
Insult or abuse of all religious messengers and prophets shall be prohibited.

Article 45
Freedom of thought and opinion shall be guaranteed.

Every individual has the right to express an opinion and to disseminate it verbally, in writing or illustration, or by any other means of publication and expression.


Eh?
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I love it that people at least don't shut up anymore, even when the President is around, that shows we do have freedoms now we NEVER had before, at least not in my lifetime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


This is true.

Before the revolution, NOBODY had a political opinion. Well, I'm sure they did, but it was kept quiet.

Very quiet.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


You weren't allowed to open your mouth KHALAS. If you did, you had some bad luck coming your way or worse. People had soccer, that's it.

By the way, this article lays out what the main concerns are about the Constitution, and actually what I don't like either. If they don't change some of these key points, I shall vote NO.

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

Concern over the protection of rights regarded Article 81, which states that the free exercise of these rights and freedoms should not conflict with the principles in the constitution’s state and society chapter.

Provisions in that chapter include Article 10, which states that “the state and society shall commit to preserving the true nature of the Egyptian family,” and Article 11, which states that the state “shall protect ethics, morals and public order.”

The language in both these provisions is overly broad, open to interpretation, and available to justify wide-ranging limitations on key rights, HRW said.

The articles on protecting freedom of expression contradict Article 44, which prohibits “the insulting of prophets.” The watchdog added that the article — along with Article 31, which states that “the individual person may not be insulted” — are not legitimate limitations on freedom of expression under human rights law.
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I love it that people at least don't shut up anymore, even when the President is around, that shows we do have freedoms now we NEVER had before, at least not in my lifetime.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231


This is true.

Before the revolution, NOBODY had a political opinion. Well, I'm sure they did, but it was kept quiet.

Very quiet.
 Quoting: AWFEKKIT


You weren't allowed to open your mouth KHALAS. If you did, you had some bad luck coming your way or worse. People had soccer, that's it.

By the way, this article lays out what the main concerns are about the Constitution, and actually what I don't like either. If they don't change some of these key points, I shall vote NO.

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]

Concern over the protection of rights regarded Article 81, which states that the free exercise of these rights and freedoms should not conflict with the principles in the constitution’s state and society chapter.

Provisions in that chapter include Article 10, which states that “the state and society shall commit to preserving the true nature of the Egyptian family,” and Article 11, which states that the state “shall protect ethics, morals and public order.”

The language in both these provisions is overly broad, open to interpretation, and available to justify wide-ranging limitations on key rights, HRW said.

The articles on protecting freedom of expression contradict Article 44, which prohibits “the insulting of prophets.” The watchdog added that the article — along with Article 31, which states that “the individual person may not be insulted” — are not legitimate limitations on freedom of expression under human rights law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28794231

I really appreciate that you are here to explain to us exactly what is and what isn't true about this situation. Thank you for being so honest and open!

If the above bolded text was in the US Constitution, and the US had declared Christianity as the State religion and Talmudic Law as the basis for all law, I would have a problem with this as well.
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
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here come the Morsi supporters :)

[link to www.egyptindependent.com]
Éireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

“It is a sad fate for a man to die too well known to everybody else, and still unknown to himself.” - Francis Bacon

"Better the illusions that exalt us than ten thousand truths" - Aleksander Pushkin
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
I do not give negative Karma. I believe that all opinions are worthy of debate and discussion. Free speech is essential to the growth and advancement of each individual and all of Humankind.

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