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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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Atheists don't discredit the existence of god.
They just don't believe in it.
You're confusing atheism with science too. There are plenty of atheists who don't understand science and conversely there are plenty of scientists who believe in god.

Science doesn't DISPROVE anything by the way.

All you talk about is belief and "things making sense" and you wonder why science doesn't take that seriously? Plus you're living your life by the words of a book that has been written and re-written numerous times since its conception and edited to fit people's agendas.

You say that the only religion that makes sense is yours, that's rather biased and pompous don't you think?
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5 stars"I believe that God is the perfect chemist"


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It is not that I go around trying to disprove the existence of a God, I just do not believe.
As a child I was told of Santa, and believed in this as if he was fact, nothing you could say could change my mind. Then I grew up. We have all seen the faces of children once they come to the realization that Santa does not exist. You can see the shock on their faces and some cry, to me this is the stage you are in right now with a belief in the supernatural and God.
How is it we say the Greek Gods and stories are all myth, yet believe in a set of the same mythos around God and Christ? To me, they are all stories and mythos, one and the same.
No, I do not have all the answers. I have no idea how we came to be, but at the same time I do not try to equate this was magic, religion, and such.

Some say that people would become evil and not know right from wrong without religion. What about animals? They seem to get along quite well with no religion. We all know the difference between right and wrong, without the need for religion, and as the matter goes the world seems to have done many evil deeds in the name of religion.

The Dark Ages were called that because of the control of religion. We were taught incorrect ideas: the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, people were killed or imprisoned when they attempted to educate the world on Gravity, Planets, and other ideas that we take as common knowledge today. It seems we are in another Dark Age, where these beliefs are once again trying to hold us back, why?
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5 stars"I believe that God is the perfect chemist"


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Oh well, you got flowers from old Goofy so that makes your thread worthwhile.
And as for the existence/non-existence of God/god/gods...Who cares?
I don't! His existence or non-existence means as little to me as mine does to him/her/it.
It just does not matter and believing in god doesn't change anything.
Get over it and live life for all it's worth because it's fucking quick!
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It is not that I go around trying to disprove the existence of a God, I just do not believe.
As a child I was told of Santa, and believed in this as if he was fact, nothing you could say could change my mind. Then I grew up. We have all seen the faces of children once they come to the realization that Santa does not exist. You can see the shock on their faces and some cry, to me this is the stage you are in right now with a belief in the supernatural and God.
How is it we say the Greek Gods and stories are all myth, yet believe in a set of the same mythos around God and Christ? To me, they are all stories and mythos, one and the same.
No, I do not have all the answers. I have no idea how we came to be, but at the same time I do not try to equate this was magic, religion, and such.

Some say that people would become evil and not know right from wrong without religion. What about animals? They seem to get along quite well with no religion. We all know the difference between right and wrong, without the need for religion, and as the matter goes the world seems to have done many evil deeds in the name of religion.

The Dark Ages were called that because of the control of religion. We were taught incorrect ideas: the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, people were killed or imprisoned when they attempted to educate the world on Gravity, Planets, and other ideas that we take as common knowledge today. It seems we are in another Dark Age, where these beliefs are once again trying to hold us back, why?
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Amazing how intelligence always tops belief. Well said and a massive

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It is not that I go around trying to disprove the existence of a God, I just do not believe.
As a child I was told of Santa, and believed in this as if he was fact, nothing you could say could change my mind. Then I grew up. We have all seen the faces of children once they come to the realization that Santa does not exist. You can see the shock on their faces and some cry, to me this is the stage you are in right now with a belief in the supernatural and God.
How is it we say the Greek Gods and stories are all myth, yet believe in a set of the same mythos around God and Christ? To me, they are all stories and mythos, one and the same.
No, I do not have all the answers. I have no idea how we came to be, but at the same time I do not try to equate this was magic, religion, and such.

Some say that people would become evil and not know right from wrong without religion. What about animals? They seem to get along quite well with no religion. We all know the difference between right and wrong, without the need for religion, and as the matter goes the world seems to have done many evil deeds in the name of religion.

The Dark Ages were called that because of the control of religion. We were taught incorrect ideas: the world was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, people were killed or imprisoned when they attempted to educate the world on Gravity, Planets, and other ideas that we take as common knowledge today. It seems we are in another Dark Age, where these beliefs are once again trying to hold us back, why?
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this guy summed it up pretty well
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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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Atheists don't discredit the existence of god.
They just don't believe in it.
You're confusing atheism with science too. There are plenty of atheists who don't understand science and conversely there are plenty of scientists who believe in god.

Science doesn't DISPROVE anything by the way.

All you talk about is belief and "things making sense" and you wonder why science doesn't take that seriously? Plus you're living your life by the words of a book that has been written and re-written numerous times since its conception and edited to fit people's agendas.

You say that the only religion that makes sense is yours, that's rather biased and pompous don't you think?
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^^^^ i dont believe in your god OP my "god" is nature
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Because it makes no LOGICAL sense that there is an invisible man in the sky who created everything. LOGIC and REASONING is the key here. Evolution makes more sense, even though not completely understood YET. I believe one day it will be.

Do you take classes in college about the invisible man theory? No, you don't. But the study of evolutionary biology in college is a course you can take and it makes sense. Most scientists (about 93 percent) are atheists, according to a study I saw. So I would rather believe an intelligent scientist than to put my faith in some backwoods preacher trying to make a quick buck off of gullible people. Just my take on this, by the way.
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Because it makes no LOGICAL sense that there is an invisible man in the sky who created everything. LOGIC and REASONING is the key here. Evolution makes more sense, even though not completely understood YET. I believe one day it will be.

Do you take classes in college about the invisible man theory? No, you don't. But the study of evolutionary biology in college is a course you can take and it makes sense. Most scientists (about 93 percent) are atheists, according to a study I saw. So I would rather believe an intelligent scientist than to put my faith in some backwoods preacher trying to make a quick buck off of gullible people. Just my take on this, by the way.
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And a damn fine take it is too! rockon
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Can't argue with that.
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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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What makes you so certain "God" is singular? Why can't it be a pantheon of gods? If you cannot provide evidence for either position then what's the point?

Oh and just because we aren't sure why something happens does not mean that god(s) did it.

Either show verifiable proof of whatever concept of God(s) you have or STFU.
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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth
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Jigga puh-lease... Why must you invent a "god?" Why can't you simply accept the fact that the human mind is not configured to deal with the concept of INFINITY and can't possibly relate to an INFINITE CREATIVE FORCE. When conditions will support life - LIFE HAPPENS, period. That's what a universe IS. (That's what I AM)

The human brain wants to see limits, walls, containers. That's how it's hardware is wired. Everything must be IN something or HELD BY something or eventually we must come upon THE EDGES and THE END of everything, somewhere.

But even if we managed to find the "end of the universe" and bumped up against the "wall" - what is containing that wall? See what I mean? Chickens can't do Calculus.

Sorry, there is no god - not the kind you're thinking of. No prayers necessary & anything goes.
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so you're argument is basically; "all this stuff exists so there must be a god!" brilliant
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so you're argument is basically; "all this stuff exists so there must be a god!" brilliant
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that is usually the arguement
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Jigga-what??? Just kidding. Yes, Jay-Z is God. That is why they call him Jay-Hova. Just kidding again. But what you said makes complete sense to me. No one has a clue but you gotta go with the most logical conclusion. There is no personal god up there that cares what you do, say, think. That is just what people in control realized they could use so that they could put that old "fear of god" into people. And it worked and still works. Sad but true.
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You ask for definitive proof, but why the option of your 'God'? There are many to choose from, and have been since man began to try and imitate nature and then control it.

You are asking to believe in one concepot of many, all depends on plausability, to you the idea of your God, a war/mountain God stolen from a different breed and mixed with timely and appropriate concepts to become a singular aspect. It isn't even the same God as that of the Jews, though most Christians claim it to be, there is no recognition of the Shekinah in Christian thought, no feminine aspect save for the allowance of a subjugated 'mother of Christ'.

If you are convinced of the faith you have, fine, it narrows your thought as you belong to a limited mind referencing system.
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On uncertainty and our so called "perfect world with ideal conditions for life": Take a hypothetical jar filled with one million red marbles and 1single blue one. Blindfolded, stick your hand in and grab a marble. Now look at what color you picked. It's red of course. But keep doing this over and over again. Eventually, you'll pick that blue marble. It is NOT impossible nor unlikely that the blue marble will never be picked.

Or how about this: You are given 1000 ingredients in unmarked brown containers. Your task is to make something delicious. The rules are you can't look inside the bags. You just have to pick five and mix them together. At some point given enough time, you will pick bananas, ice-cream, chocolate syrup, strawberries and whipped cream.

This is the nature of evolution and our planets existence. For every perfect blue marble in the universe there are millions of red one's. For every delicious banana split there are millions of tuna fish-apple-squid-cantaloupe-milk concoctions.

I don't think you realize just how long and how many chances the universe has had to pick marlbes and make desserts. It would be amazing if most of the planets in existence harbored life or in our analogy, you picked that blue marble 50% of the time. That would indeed be unexplainable. but it doesn't work that way. The universe behaves quite logically.

Also, many times believers in God quote something like this: "I don't understand how anyone can just believe something can come from nothing, like with the big bang. We HAVE to be created by something(God) intentionally"......Let me ask you this: That "something", a God as you call it, what created that God? This argument holds no weight you see. Because to argue this point, you must agree that "God" just spontaneously exists and your argument that something( our universe) CAN'T come from nothing is no longer valid.

The only difference between an atheists viewpoint and creationists is the middleman, God. We both agree something can come from nothing with the only difference being....

Creationist: Nothing=God=Everything in Existence

Atheist: Nothing=Everything in Existence
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Well your god is a dick for making us live in a black hole.
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5 stars"I believe that God is the perfect chemist"


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Ok, so your "Perfect Chemist", who gave birth to him? Another Chemist God? Or did your Chemist just spontaneously exist or maybe just always existed?

If you answer yes Congratulations! Now you actually believe the exact same way as an atheist minus the whole creative writing bit. In both belief systems, at some point you arrive at the conclusion that something can spontaneously exist or just has existed since the beginning wether it was a God or matter itself. The difference is Creationist believe in the archaic stories written by desert dwelling sheep herders that tell fairy tales of talking snakes and people made of mud pies by a magical being that appeared out of thin air.

Why can't you understand and accept the fact fact that although it is quite difficult to wrap your mind around the concept of "something from nothing" you actually believe this to be truth? Your god, just like matter in the big bang or pre-big bang is indeed "something from nothing". Why do you feel the need to assign human like characteristics, magical powers, and intention to the "something" and craft a middleman named God. Just be at peace and accept that "It just is".....
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Okay, use science. You'll just find out that this universe does have an intelligent design to it, this world is no evolutionary mistake.

Do some research on the possibilities of living on the planet Earth, your presence was far beyond a one in a million chance.

And come on, really? A big invisible man in the clouds? That's the ramblings of an idiot who doesn't understand symbolism. God as Christians call it, or Allah as Muslims call it is the universal center of energy, its where everything comes from and returns to. It is not something we can comprehend with our sight, as a 2 dimensional being can never see what a 3rd dimensional being truly looks like; until we come face to face with that energy we will never truly know how it looks.

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Which 'God' of the 154 popular creation myths are you referring to? Do you think lightning is caused by Thor?
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The atheists have nooo answers. Dont bother.

You should be giving them the answer instead, since they are clueless.
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The atheists have nooo answers. Dont bother.

You should be giving them the answer instead, since they are clueless.
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all you know is what you have been told and what you have read in a book.
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How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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No... JUST NO... If their was a god so powerfull why would he need a fucking inbred human to create a religion for him ? I am open to the possibility of a diety, But to beleive in your religions is just Fucking ridiculous their is more chance that your Fucking asshole will heal up than your god actually existing get a fucking grip on reality! For fuck sakes how narcissistic do you have to be to beleive that an all powerfull being has nothing better to do than listen to your pathetic little problems and give a fucking shit about what the fuck happens to your pathetic ass ? If their is a god im 100% sure he is nothing like what any of you religitards expect, Honestly all you fucking inbred religious fucks do is bring war and famine to the world, Please tell me... The names of 2 or more religious inventors that brought something positive to the world infact any religious intelligent mind that affected the world in a positive way... No you fucking can't They were either atheist of agnostic, Now again tell me the names of the amount of pedos or rapists or serial killers you know that are religious quite a fucking lot am i right ? Fucking asswipe Get the fuck off this fucking god damn website with your bullshit!
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Re: A question for atheists
How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?

I ask this because humans cannot clearly prove how we're able to even exist and function, and our brains are restricted to a 3D continuum if you will. Science has helped us answer a plethora of questions but hardly any fundamental questions about existence, reality, physics, and the laws of the universe at large. Science is a great tool for observing and experimenting with what we have and know already, but humans are so limited in scope mentally and physically that it sounds foolish to rely solely on science to disprove God. Honestly, it makes a lot more sense to believe in a Creator, who has always been, and continues to exist among us. Look at the way the universe works and the uncertainty behind it, and how nature exists on earth, and how perfect the conditions are for an atmosphere that sustains life for us and animals, the balance and perfection of chemistry for us to even experience present reality..... and theres NO GOD?!

I believe that God is the perfect chemist. He also works so mysteriously and beyond human comprehension, and outside the realm of time, similarly to how the universe works. His plan is still being fulfilled as time is merely a human concept. I truly believe that he brought matter together, sculpting the universe in his image and time. He established evolution and put it into practice. He created man in his own image and we're sort of mini Gods and a living example of his power, so to speak. Humans are the best example of Gods power and plan; we're the superior species on this planet and experience emotion and mental functions so far beyond all living things on earth. And I believe that his plan is still living, for what is time?

Religion sucks because we bicker about God while acknowledging his presence and has been the catalyst of war and conflict since humanity began. Within the dimension of religion, the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin. God gave humans free will on Earth to do as they please and experience reality, we're unique & individual spirits derived from God. When the Romans crucified Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus proved he was really sent from God by defeating death, which is unknown to all humans until we experience it ourselves, as everyone will. No other "religion" offers a redemption story quite like God offers through Jesus Christ. Muhammad the prophet, siddhartha gautama, they've all been dead and there's no mention that they ressurrected to prove God's existence.

All God asks is that we have faith that Jesus did that for humanity out of his own love. Try and live a life of love, joy, patience, kindness, and goodness as Jesus did. Humans are always striving to be good people, so why is it so hard to believe that we are part of God's plan and that by living out his attributes, we are living out his plan on Earth? Humans in our limited scope, in our experimentation and observation, only know the tip of the ice berg. Trusting in God and believing in the story of Jesus while striving to be good people through Jesus seems much more wiser than relying on whatever it is we know.
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No... JUST NO... If their was a god so powerfull why would he need a fucking inbred human to create a religion for him ? I am open to the possibility of a diety, But to beleive in your religions is just Fucking ridiculous their is more chance that your Fucking asshole will heal up than your god actually existing get a fucking grip on reality! For fuck sakes how narcissistic do you have to be to beleive that an all powerfull being has nothing better to do than listen to your pathetic little problems and give a fucking shit about what the fuck happens to your pathetic ass ? If their is a god im 100% sure he is nothing like what any of you religitards expect, Honestly all you fucking inbred religious fucks do is bring war and famine to the world, Please tell me... The names of 2 or more religious inventors that brought something positive to the world infact any religious intelligent mind that affected the world in a positive way... No you fucking can't They were either atheist of agnostic, Now again tell me the names of the amount of pedos or rapists or serial killers you know that are religious quite a fucking lot am i right ? Fucking asswipe Get the fuck off this fucking god damn website with your bullshit!
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Someone didn't fully read, and needs a lesson in not only grammar but spelling too.


Oh and here's two scientific minds who believe in God. There is a lot more where that came from, do some damn research.

Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein believed in God. Are those big enough names for you?

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Which 'God' of the 154 popular creation myths are you referring to? Do you think lightning is caused by Thor?
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Still havent answered me OP.
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Which 'God' of the 154 popular creation myths are you referring to? Do you think lightning is caused by Thor?
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Still havent answered me OP.
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Re: A question for atheists
How are atheists able to discredit the existence of God while living and breathing on this earth, experiencing the universe and its power firsthand, observing nature at work and science at play, and constantly facing life with uncertainty since humans aren't privy to the future and exist simply in the present?


etc etc etc

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There's no point in 'discrediting' the existence of God; it's the equivalent of trying to prove a negative.

The burden is on those who do believe in God to somehow present evidence of his existence if they wish to change an atheist's mind.

That burden has never been met. Instead, we get a lot of 'I feel...' and 'I believe....' and 'well, there's no other explanation, therefore God did it'; none of those things are evidence.

In your post, you admit that we have quite a limited understanding of our own existence and the world around us...how, then, could a human have a concept of 'God' that is not even more limited?? In other words, if you can't do basic arithmetic very well, vector calculus is going to be a hell of a lot harder.

But then you went on to say:

the only theology that really makes sense is that God sent Jesus Christ to earth to live as a human, and without sin, in order to take on the sin of the world and save humanity from death led by sin.


which indicates that your initial question is mere rhetoric, and a way to justify the 'superiority' of your beliefs to yourself. If that theology makes sense to you, then there's no point in trying to reason with you.

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