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Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.

 
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Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
After many years of observing our society self destruct the only realistic conclusion is that sooner or later our civilization will collapse. It is inevitable.

That being said, what will be everyone's fate?

Well, the only people that will survive and be able to sustain themselves will be the ones with survivel skills and knowledge that live in sparsely populated areas. Namely the plains states and northern rockies.

The vast majority of people that live in the eastern half of north America are fucked. The population density of the eastern states tells me that after TSHTF once all the stores and houses have been looted whoever survives will have to live off the land the best they can. All of the wildlife will be quickly consumed by the survivors as there will be no other food source other than wild animals.

On top of that, once the grid goes down, all of our nuclear reactors will meltdown. The vast majority of our reactors are located in the eastern half of the country. That will be the death blow to anyone that survives a collapse in the eastern states. Absolutely no hope for survival.

The western and southwestern states will fair a little better, but not much. Once all the chaos and looting have subsided, the survivors will again, have to live off the land the best they can. The vast majority of these survivors will be hispanic for sure.

The people with the highest odds of survival are, as I stated before, the ones that live in the plains states and northern rockies. Not only will they survive, their quality of life will be quite high. Certainly compared to the rest of the country. Living in remote areas that are sparsely populated gives them a distinct advantage. Not to mention, these are the type of people that have a good deal of survival skills and knowledge to begin with. Once our society collapses they won't have any trouble sustaining themselves.

Regardless of whether or not you believe a collapse is immanent, this is what awaits us. As I said before, it is inevitable. This is the course we are on. Your odds of survival are very much dependant on where you live in the country.

Just some food for thought. Have a nice day.
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We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
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Breaking - Barry and his massive army of DHS and FEMA have joined forces with solar guardian and his two alien penpals Bagel and Vulva. TS will never HTF, problem solved.

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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
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your actions, but you cannot ignore
the RESULTS of the consequences of your actions

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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
After many years of observing our society self destruct the only realistic conclusion is that sooner or later our civilization will collapse. It is inevitable.

That being said, what will be everyone's fate?

Well, the only people that will survive and be able to sustain themselves will be the ones with survivel skills and knowledge that live in sparsely populated areas. Namely the plains states and northern rockies.

The vast majority of people that live in the eastern half of north America are fucked. The population density of the eastern states tells me that after TSHTF once all the stores and houses have been looted whoever survives will have to live off the land the best they can. All of the wildlife will be quickly consumed by the survivors as there will be no other food source other than wild animals.

On top of that, once the grid goes down, all of our nuclear reactors will meltdown. The vast majority of our reactors are located in the eastern half of the country. That will be the death blow to anyone that survives a collapse in the eastern states. Absolutely no hope for survival.

The western and southwestern states will fair a little better, but not much. Once all the chaos and looting have subsided, the survivors will again, have to live off the land the best they can.
The vast majority of these survivors will be hispanic for sure.

The people with the highest odds of survival are, as I stated before, the ones that live in the plains states and northern rockies. Not only will they survive, their quality of life will be quite high. Certainly compared to the rest of the country. Living in remote areas that are sparsely populated gives them a distinct advantage. Not to mention, these are the type of people that have a good deal of survival skills and knowledge to begin with. Once our society collapses they won't have any trouble sustaining themselves.

Regardless of whether or not you believe a collapse is immanent, this is what awaits us. As I said before, it is inevitable. This is the course we are on. Your odds of survival are very much dependant on where you live in the country.

Just some food for thought. Have a nice day.
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If the collapse does indeed cause nuclear war to break out, which is inevitable in itself, it will not matter how much knowledge of the soil and agriculture you have. Plants will not be able to grow. Perhaps in very specific locations, but the makeup of our planet will be forever changed. A nuclear detonation will yield all of the land in proximity infertile. This is coming folks.
There will be no clean water.
There will be no readily available food.
People will begin to cannibalize the weak.
Prepare your hearts. Prepare your souls.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
Gotta love people that believe in absolutes!





Do you believe the only way the shit hits is with civil unrest?

How bout Yellowstone blowing up? How bout mega crustal displacement that effects the rockies?
New ice age, solar problems etc etc etc

You're not a prepper just an alarmist that thinks too narrowly!

Did I mention a dust bowl wiping out the heartland and leaving the coasts untouched?



Nope I wouldn't consider you a prepper OP
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
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I won´t survive, but i will go down with a Bang! 5a
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


excellent question leslie...

i'll be back later to see the answer....chuckle
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Does this not all depend on how shit hits the fan?

They CAN be turned off.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy
goof

Sorry to bust your bubble, bundy.

The reactors' cooling systems are powered from outside electric sources..
You saying they have more than one to power the others in case of a loss of power
is completely ignorant and false.

Brown's Ferry is one of the most vulnerable to natural disaster due to it being outdated
and a GE Mark I reactor.
It has been cited numerous times for safety issues.
The Mark I is a flawed design.
GE's own scientists resigned because of this.

Fuku did not meltdown because of the tsunami..
it melted because of human error and lack of foresight... as well as neglect
of safety issues because of the cheapness of the owners.

And.. it was three reactors, not four.

Inform yourself.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
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bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Does this not all depend on how shit hits the fan?

They CAN be turned off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


This is true, but most of our visions of SHTF is something sudden. Though there are quite a few Martial Law scenarios.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Does this not all depend on how shit hits the fan?

They CAN be turned off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


what happens when you turn off a cooling system for a pool of spent nuclear rods?
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bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Does this not all depend on how shit hits the fan?

They CAN be turned off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


This is true, but most of our visions of SHTF is something sudden. Though there are quite a few Martial Law scenarios.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


no, it is not true
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


It wouldn't matter, because in your scenario, no one would be around to notice anyway.
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Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


Does this not all depend on how shit hits the fan?

They CAN be turned off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


This is true, but most of our visions of SHTF is something sudden. Though there are quite a few Martial Law scenarios.
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


no, it is not true
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I had forgotten about that. The rods. Sorry. cruise Yeah, it's pretty much fucked no matter how you look at it.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


It wouldn't matter, because in your scenario, no one would be around to notice anyway.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15015575


Yep, last time I gave a scenario it was a chain reaction of meltdowns that spewed so much radiation over the Earth that not a living thing was left upon it.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
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bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Hello, Mcfly?!?!? What happens to the reactors when NO ONE IS AROUND TO MAINTAIN AND REPAIR THEM ALL?
 Quoting: Leslie Zevo


I was qualified enough to repair 'em, just sayin. And in the north east, specifically, there is a whole school of people who train to do the same, right in upstate NY.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
Really, the main issue for anyone preparing or homesteading is WATER. Check the drought conditions in your area. Will the land support agriculture from growing crops and livestock based upon annual rainfall? How low are the aquifers in your region? How low is the river? Are things just barely hanging on now in your region based on too low moisture in the soil and the loss of a lot of nitrogen-fixing bacteria?

Check with the fisheries and the game warden in your area. Find out what was the drought impact on local species that are hunted, trapped, or fished. I'll bet we see major declines in the Spring if we don't get major snow and hence snowmelt in Spring, or rains in warmer regions.

Sure, you can have wells for drinking and for liverstock, but not for crops. They need too much water. You could divert rainfall to a cistern and then gravity feed it to the crops to irrigate it. Check and see if this is an option.

Can you put in a shallow point or regular well on your land? Is there bedrock? If so, you'd better have a planned second location for that well.

Have you thought about how you're going to compost your human and animal feces without contaminating your well? Is there already too many livestock around and chemical fertilizer/persticide use that might contaminate the well? Do you know how to make a biosand filter since even well water can have coliform bacteria in it? Even a biosand filter only removed 97% of that kind of bacteria.

How close are the urban centers from your region? Are you right off the interstate, and likely to be innundated by hordes of refugees particularly from the Northeast, but anywhere along the Atlantic Seaboard too.
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How does one 'turn off' a reactor..?

Control rods, once inserted, block the chain reaction..
This is the first step.
The 10% of residual heat must be controlled once the reaction stops.
Without cooling, the reactor will meltdown within hours.

Spent fuel in ponds must be constantly cooled to prevent
a chain reaction between the fuel assemblies..
They are stacked in tighter than original specs..
The zircaloy sheathing of the fuel pins must be
kept submerged in water to prevent combustion
when exposed to air. Circulation and cooling of
this water is necessary to prevent boiling off.

All nuke plants have an abundance of spent fuel in
ponds due to the fact that there is no permanent
disposal facility available.

It has built up for 70 years.
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Gotta love people that believe in absolutes!





Do you believe the only way the shit hits is with civil unrest?

How bout Yellowstone blowing up? How bout mega crustal displacement that effects the rockies?
New ice age, solar problems etc etc etc

You're not a prepper just an alarmist that thinks too narrowly!

Did I mention a dust bowl wiping out the heartland and leaving the coasts untouched?



Nope I wouldn't consider you a prepper OP
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Not quite. I consider all angles. That is pretty much the purpose of my existence... to observe the human race and its civilization without bias. I have no stake in the outcome.

Nowhere in my original post did I say that civil unrest would be the cause of our collapse... although it very well could be.

You are correct to point out the threat of large scale natural disaster as the catalyst of our society's collapse. Mother nature, it would seem, is making a concerted effort to destroy us as well.

That is one of the main reasons why I believe our civilization is doomed. We're facing a "perfect storm" so to speak. All of the problems of the world are coming together in a way that leaves us no hope for survival. The only question is... what will be that catalyst that pushes us over the edge? Because once our society does get that push, regardless of what it is, it will be a domino effect. It will be a worldwide conflagration of self destruction.

BTW, I am a prepper to a certain extent. As I stated before, I have no stake in the outcome, but I don't have a death wish. My survival instincts will not allow me to just curl up in a ball and die in place.

Mostly, I want to survive long enough to watch it all go down. But if I can survive it all and help rebuild some sort of small community in a remote location that would be fine with me.
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We have ensured our demise by building nuclear reactors all over the planet.

Total extinction.
 Quoting: Waterbug


bullshit.
Its a common misconception that reactors will automatically "melt down", but this is why there are usually more than one in one site, if one fails, the other will provide cooling for it until repaired.
What happened at fucashima was a nine point EQ, and destroyed all four reactors at once, a very rare thing.
As for the eastern types being "fucked" I live in Alabama,
pop four million, huge farming industry, lots of military.
AND Browns ferry reactor, we'll do fine.
BTW reactors are a good thing, have fuel for years, are the seedcorn that will get everything started again
 Quoting: bvndy


Wow. Every point you made in that post is completely wrong. Good luck with that.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
After many years of observing our society self destruct the only realistic conclusion is that sooner or later our civilization will collapse. It is inevitable.

That being said, what will be everyone's fate?

Well, the only people that will survive and be able to sustain themselves will be the ones with survivel skills and knowledge that live in sparsely populated areas. Namely the plains states and northern rockies.

The vast majority of people that live in the eastern half of north America are fucked. The population density of the eastern states tells me that after TSHTF once all the stores and houses have been looted whoever survives will have to live off the land the best they can. All of the wildlife will be quickly consumed by the survivors as there will be no other food source other than wild animals.

On top of that, once the grid goes down, all of our nuclear reactors will meltdown. The vast majority of our reactors are located in the eastern half of the country. That will be the death blow to anyone that survives a collapse in the eastern states. Absolutely no hope for survival.

The western and southwestern states will fair a little better, but not much. Once all the chaos and looting have subsided, the survivors will again, have to live off the land the best they can. The vast majority of these survivors will be hispanic for sure.

The people with the highest odds of survival are, as I stated before, the ones that live in the plains states and northern rockies. Not only will they survive, their quality of life will be quite high. Certainly compared to the rest of the country. Living in remote areas that are sparsely populated gives them a distinct advantage. Not to mention, these are the type of people that have a good deal of survival skills and knowledge to begin with. Once our society collapses they won't have any trouble sustaining themselves.

Regardless of whether or not you believe a collapse is immanent, this is what awaits us. As I said before, it is inevitable. This is the course we are on. Your odds of survival are very much dependant on where you live in the country.

Just some food for thought. Have a nice day.
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You hit the nail on the head.

I chose a location that is surrounded by national forest, 4700 feet above sea level, not near any coast, good/clean water table, far from yellowstone, far from the east coast, and 2 hours away from the nearest major metropolitan city.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
How does one 'turn off' a reactor..?

Control rods, once inserted, block the chain reaction..
This is the first step.
The 10% of residual heat must be controlled once the reaction stops.
Without cooling, the reactor will meltdown within hours.

Spent fuel in ponds must be constantly cooled to prevent
a chain reaction between the fuel assemblies..
They are stacked in tighter than original specs..
The zircaloy sheathing of the fuel pins must be
kept submerged in water to prevent combustion
when exposed to air. Circulation and cooling of
this water is necessary to prevent boiling off.

All nuke plants have an abundance of spent fuel in
ponds due to the fact that there is no permanent
disposal facility available.

It has built up for 70 years.
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This is the reason why everyone in the eastern half of north America is fucked. Once the grid goes down for good they will all be ticking timebombs. When the generators that power the cooling systems run out of fuel ALL OF THEM will melt down. As I stated before, the majority of them are located in the eastern states so it's easy to guess how bad the radiation levels will be there. It's bad news no matter how you slice it.
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It has built up for 70 years.
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This is the reason why everyone in the eastern half of north America is fucked. Once the grid goes down for good they will all be ticking timebombs. When the generators that power the cooling systems run out of fuel ALL OF THEM will melt down. As I stated before, the majority of them are located in the eastern states so it's easy to guess how bad the radiation levels will be there. It's bad news no matter how you slice it.
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Hasn't happened, yet..
There is time to change our disaster potential.
Close the out-dated reactors, permanently, close the reactors on or near faults,
increase flood protection... and immediately empty all of the SFPs..
whatever it takes.

Fuku was a wake-up call...
Too bad for us... the NRC hit the snooze button.

Renewing the licenses of those old Mark I reactors was
a very bad idea.
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Give them a good show

rockon

I won´t survive, but i will go down with a Bang! 5a
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There will come a time when you believe everything ends.
This will be the beginning
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It has built up for 70 years.
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This is the reason why everyone in the eastern half of north America is fucked. Once the grid goes down for good they will all be ticking timebombs. When the generators that power the cooling systems run out of fuel ALL OF THEM will melt down. As I stated before, the majority of them are located in the eastern states so it's easy to guess how bad the radiation levels will be there. It's bad news no matter how you slice it.
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Hasn't happened, yet..
There is time to change our disaster potential.
Close the out-dated reactors, permanently, close the reactors on or near faults,
increase flood protection... and immediately empty all of the SFPs..
whatever it takes.

Fuku was a wake-up call...
Too bad for us... the NRC hit the snooze button.

Renewing the licenses of those old Mark I reactors was
a very bad idea.
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You know as well as I do none of those things are going to happen. It almost seems that our "leadership" is hell bent on destroying us all. That is the only realistic conclusion one can make for the decisions thay have ever made. Everything our government does takes us in the wrong direction.

My take on it all is that they are stearing us towards collapse and hoping for martial law and complete government takeover of whoever survives the destruction. That much is fairly obvious. But I know it will all be for not. Our society's destruction will be complete.
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Re: Will you survive after TSHTF? Well, what part of the country do you live? That is the question.
Fuku was a wake-up call...
Too bad for us... the NRC hit the snooze button.

Renewing the licenses of those old Mark I reactors was
a very bad idea.
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You know as well as I do none of those things are going to happen.

It almost seems that our "leadership" is hell bent on destroying us all.
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You are probly right about that shit.

I'm not convinced, though, that there is a plan..
I'm more inclined to think many of the problems
have built up due to lack of foresight and zero responsible planning.

The main problem is political influence
determining the direction and application of
scientific and engineering technology.
Those windbags don't have a fucking clue about nuclear tech...
nor do they care.. save a very select, powerless few.
The industry is basically self-regulated and that must change.

Nuclear needs to take a step back...
Get some brilliant minds on it.. fix the fuckups..and move on.

Let the smart guys figure it out without interference.
Leave the political reach-arounds for the hallowed halls of D.C.

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