Muslims, proof that Muhammad did not receive 'revelations' from God, but rather man.

More proof Muhammad was a fraud:

'Abd Allah expressed his amazement at the precision of man's creation by saying (So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!). The Messenger of Allah said: “This ['Abd Allah's last expression] is how it was revealed to me”. At that point, doubt crept into 'Abd Allah. He said: “If Muhammad is truthful, then I was inspired just as he was; and if he is lying, I have uttered exactly what he did utter”.
- Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi
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“This verse was revealed about ‘Abd Allah ibn Sa‘d ibn Abi Sarh. The latter said: ‘I [not Muhammad] will reveal the like of that which Allah has revealed’, and renounced Islam.
Asbab Al-Nuzul by Al-Wahidi 6:93

More proof of the liar.

The Quran describes Allah as the best deceiver there is, a liar who is not above using the same evil and wicked schemes of his opponents.

For example, the Quran calls Allah a makr, in fact the best makr there is:

But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

Other texts that identify Allah as a makr include:

Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99

So they schemed a scheme: and We schemed a scheme (Wamakaroo makran wamakarna makran), while they perceived not. S. 27:50

The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:

Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.

makara vb. (

Muhammad did not exist to begin with, just Jesus and Buddha and other fairy tale figures.

You are right, there's strong evidence that Muhammad never existed.

In addition, in their very own 'authentic' hadiths, contradicts and proves the 'revelations' came from not God, nor the archangel Gabriel, but rather it came from men, who were not Muhammad.

most likely from an organized group, like Vatican

“‘To me it has been revealed, when naught has been revealed to him’ refers to 'Abdallah Ibn Sa'd Ibn Abi Sarh, who used to write for God's messenger. The verse (23:12) that says, ‘We created man of an extraction of clay’ was revealed, and when Muhammad reached the part that says, ‘… thereafter We produced him as another creature’ (23:14), ‘Abdallah said, ‘So blessed be God the fairest of creators!’ in amazement at the details of man's creation. The prophet said, ‘Write it down; for thus it has been revealed.’ ‘Abdallah doubted and said, ‘If Muhammad is truthful then I receive the revelation as much as he does, and if he is a liar, what I said is a good as what he said.’” (Anwar al-Tanzil wa Asrar al-Ta‘wil by 'Abdallah Ibn 'Umar al-Baidawi)

The God of the Bible is NOT allah!!! Here are some excerpts from the Letters from God and His Christ

Excerpt from the Letter "The Last Trumpet Before The Time":

"My people are slain and disemboweled, and paraded down the streets, hung upon the walls as a trophy and spoils of war, IN THE NAME OF THE GOD OF ABRAHAM!... The name, by which I am called among them... Allah, is NOT My name!..." ~ From The Lord, Our God and Savior

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Allah is the devil:


Excerpt from the Letter "I Am Calling You Out!... Come Out of The Churches of Men, and I will Receive You, Says The Lord"

"Behold, I shall come down and murder every god of the gentiles, even to the god of the sons of Ishmael, for he is no god!... HE LOOKS NOTHING LIKE ME!... He is the devil and satan, lucifer, whose heart is wroth, whose ways are a never-ending offense! At his heart he declares, “I will profane the name of The Lord, and pollute the majesty of His Word... Behold, I shall cause the nations to worship me and harken to my words. Yea, I shall deceive the whole world, and who shall deliver them from my power and the snares I have set for them. And men shall hate The God of Israel, and loathe His chosen people. Yes, they shall gather unto me and to my servant, and we together shall build a great army, and darkness shall prevail and defeat The King who shall come”...
BEHOLD! I am against you, satan! Says The Lord God... Even I, The Father of all nations, am against you! You shall be brought down to shame, and My people shall tread upon you, as the beasts of the field tread upon the dry grass... So are all your plans before Me, here today, and tomorrow thrown into the fire." ~ From The Lord, Our God and Savior
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Excerpt from "Enemies of The Lord, Come Forth":

"Come out in the name of your god, all you wicked men of allah! Come out in the name of your false prophet, that I may tread you down!... That I may reach down and make of you a great slaughter, that My sword may pierce the heart of your god and cut off the head of your prophet!" ~ From The Lord, Our God and Savior

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Prophecy Against the Great Nation, Ishmael (Islam)

4/3/06 From God The Father - A Letter Given To Timothy, For All Those Who Have Ears to Hear

Behold, The Lord is high and lifted up. The Lord has seen the travail of His people, and remembered the sins and blasphemy of the wicked one and those who follow after him, giving heed to his lies and subtle deceptions... Even five times per day do they bow down, and praise Me by the words of him who I have cast out...


Thus says The Lord: The one, who shall stomp upon The Holy Covenant, is come, and shall come and make peace with you... But there shall be no peace.

Thus says The Lord God: My face is turned against you, and My arm shall be outstretched. Even on pins and needles, nails and broken glass, shall you walk, tearing the flesh of your feet, leaving trails in blood on your streets... The pain, of which, shall not cease, neither shall you find respite... For this is what The Lord has decreed and shall be done. You have trodden under foot My commandments, persecuted My people, and killed My flock beloved of The Shepherd... You are the flock given up to the slaughter!



Thus says The Lord...

I shall paint the hills, even every mountain in My lands,
With the blood of your fathers and sons...

Behold, The Lord is against you, oh people of violence!



How long shall you corrupt My Word? How long shall you deny Me and My Son, Christ, The Lord? You shall surely die, and your corpses shall lie in the streets of your abominations. You shall fall down, even in the midst of your sanctuaries, your abominable temples... These shall crumble and turn to dust, before the wrath of The Lord!

Thus says The Lord: My anger is still not turned away! Oh great nation, descendants and adopted sons of Ishmael, so it is fulfilled and will come to pass... Hence, in less than one week’s time (seven years), you shall be against every man, and every man shall be against you.



Thus says The Lord of Glory...

I am come in My vengeance,
And I shall destroy even all your strongholds...

I shall dismember them and burn them with fire...

I shall dry up your lands and smite your peoples...

A wasteland of sorrows shall be your meat,
And suffering shall be your nourishment...



For as you have done unto those who love Me, and the name of My Son, The Holy One of Israel,
So shall you receive double, of the wrath of The Lord that has come.



Oh deceived nation, YOU SHALL NOT CHANGE, OR ADD TO, THE WORDS OF The Lord MOST HIGH, NOR DENY HIS NAME, THE NAME HE HAS GIVEN HIS SON, EVEN CHRIST! You are not alone in your desolations... Even your enemy, the church in the midst of the seven hills, shall join you.

Thus says The Lord: Your whoredoms and murders are stacked one upon another, throughout the generations, and so The Lord has declared your end...



For those religions, those vain religions of this world, who worship false gods and idols,
Shall have it far better than you, when the day of God’s wrath is revealed...

Yea, even the heathen shall be spared,
When he calls upon the name of The Lord, in that day...


And the name, by which he shall call unto Me, is Christ Jesus, The Lord...
Yes, YahuShua-YaHuWaH, The Mashiach!...



For there is no other name upon earth or in Heaven,
By which you must be saved, than by The King’s alone.



For this is what The Lord says: As I am, so is The Christ, even Jesus. As I am known of Him, so is He known of Me. Whatsoever is done is done by Him. Whatsoever I decree, as sanctified, is sanctified by Him. Whatsoever is condemned shall be destroyed by Him. Whatsoever is corrupted is made incorruptible by Him. What was once dead has life because of Him.

Thus says The Lord of Glory: I have glorified the name, Christ Jesus, The Lord of Heaven and earth, and I shall do so again, even forever and ever! Amen.

I see your hearts, oh sons of iniquity. Your father was cast out of the camp of Abraham, and so shall your presence be cast out of My lands... Even from the earth, for it shall consume you.



Listen to what The Lord says...

Repent...

And I may yet find a place for you, for I am The Father of all,
And know who it is that has corrupted your hearts and filled them with hate.



He is your true adversary, the devil, who has been cast down and goes about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he might devour. And devour you he will, by your own evil desires, which he has used to turn you against your God, of whom you say you love and worship. Yet you do not know Me, nor will I hear your prayers, for you pray to Me by the name of a man who is not My prophet, nor have I spoken to him.

Hear what The Lord requires, and listen, and so do, and you will surely live and not die...

Thus says The Lord: All have sinned... There is none righteous... No, not one. Therefore, from the beginning The Lord your God has required sacrifice for sin and blood for atonement. Yet mankind would not be saved by the blood of rams and goats, nor lambs of the first year, though they have no blemish. Only the pure blood of a man, without sin, sent from God, could save mankind from themselves... Behold The Lamb of God, who was beaten and bruised, scourged and mocked and hung upon the tree, even the cross.



Thus says The Lord...

ONLY GOD MAY FORGIVE SINS!...

And I have forgotten them, though they be great in number,
Even beyond the number of the stars...

Yet The Lord your God has forgiven them in One Man,
Who bore them in His own body, though He has no part in sin of Himself,
Being The Son of Man, who is as The Father...

God in the flesh, Immanu El on earth.


Hear the word of The Lord...

Those under My wrath, who shall suffer My vengeance,
Cry out His name and be spared...

Jesus Christ The Lord, YAHUSHUA HAMASHIACH, is His name!



Deny Him, and you are lost and given up to judgment and death... The inheritance of the wicked and the followers of satan and his servant. The Lord is wrathful, The Lord is full of vengeance, yet His mercies are bountiful, if you, My children, would accept them.



The Book of Life is written, and is held in The Christ’s right hand...

He has the power to blot you from its pages and your part in life.


Embrace The Master, and He shall embrace you...

He is your Carpenter and Father...

He loves His children, with a love unfathomable.


Come, gather together in His name, and He will be amongst you...

And take you to be where I am.



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He [Muhammad] would dictate to me 'Most High, All-Wise', and I would write down 'All-Wise' only. Then he would say, 'Yes it is all the same'. On a certain occasion he said, 'Write such and such', but I wrote 'Write' only, and he said, 'Write whatever you like.’”

- Alfiyyat us-Sirat in-Nabawiyyah

If Allah is a liar, and Muhammad encourage Muslims to lie (taqiyya),

Why then does God clearly state, in the Bible

Revelation 21:8 - But cowards, unbelievers, the corrupt, murderers, the immoral, those who practice witchcraft, idol worshipers, and all liars--their fate is in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.

John 8:44 - You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

stupid retards this is pure manipulation, you're talking shit

i hope you die bastard insiders

I clearly quoted, and gave direct sources, from the Quran, Haidths, and the Bible.

Prove these points wrong.

Also, like most Muslims, before you start repeating the Bible is corrupted. I can show the original Hebrew and Greek words, that have not been 'corrupted'.

Yes, there's been many translations of the original Greek and Hebrew words, but, the original Greek and Hebrew words, were not 'corrupted'.

books Sanctus and Key....

how can people argue about such stupid subjects

and even wage wars

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OP is an insider

just saying,

It should be discussed and disproven.

Why?

You may consider the Quran stupid.

But, 2 billion people believe it's the very words of Allah.

And these people's beliefs and actions, regardless of how 'stupid', will have a direct impact on our world, and future.

Hence, their 'stupid' belief in the Quran, should be remedied, via evidence and discussion, that clearly proves the ideology is false.

I'm OP, I'm not an insider.

But, I have been studying various religions, among other subjects, for many many years.

I'll gladly prove them wrong.

1. Muhammad believed God was a man or anthropormophic.
According to Prophet Muhammad himself (PBUH), he referred to Allah as a "Shaks" A man with a body. Shaks is characterized by "length and width" He came to him in a dream in the form of a beautiful young man and said he felt the coolness of His fingertips in his breast. Orthodox Muslims quote the the verse" There is none like him" as proof that God is incorporeal or is not a man. The proper English translation is "There is none like His likeness. Likeness also means form or image.

This is reported in Ibn Hanbal's work "Musnad" and Abd Allah in his "Kitab al-Sunna". It is known as hadith of Qatada from 'Ikrima from Ibn 'Abbas. It is also called the hadith of the dream (hadith al manam). Muhammad never said God or his messengers were incorporeal.

More info for those that think they've heard it all
Thread: God and his Divine Council

thats about to what you want to see.
if you want to belive doomsday you can find alot evidence about that.
if you want to find evidence about jesus was gay, sure there is alot evidence.

Even if Allah, came as a person,

The verses clearly shows, if you actually took time to read them, that the person speaking, who received the revelations, was not Muhammad nor Allah. This is evidenced by what the person said, who doubted both Muhammad and Allah. Common sense, then tells you, that the person, who received the revelations, was not Allah, and of course, was not Muhammad.

If the person, was Allah in human form, he clearly wouldn't have doubted 'Allah' and Muhammad.

That applies to some cases, yes, when the information is ambigous, and not clear.

However, the verses from the Hadiths, are clearly showing that Muhammad did not receive the revelations from Allah or Gabriels, but rather, it was coming from another source, a man, who even then doubted Muhammad himself.

Lies, this was not in their Quran.

um no he did not believe God was a man or anthropormophic. It clearly states that God does not resemble anything close to humans, he does not have a body, Stop making bullshit up.

It's not a lie, I didn't quote the Quran.

If you can read, these are from the Hadiths.

Many Muslims read and believe both the Quran and Hadiths.

the bible is the proof that it came from man

so is the case with every fraud, that became a cult, that became a religion. (Mormonism is very good proof of that, because its so recent, and some people who might even be considered intelligent actually believe in it)

The only difference between mythology and religion is that, the followers are dead.