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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?

 
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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they have "Daddy issues", and need a firm, guiding hand.

This is why so many of them are sexual deviants, and statists.

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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Benjamin Franklin was one of the biggest statists of his time, you ignorant artard.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
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It should be noted, that left vs right is irrelavant. Both sides get played like a game of chess. Each has its purpose and its rules. Republicans are war mongering corporate welfare supporting religious types. Democrats are big government tax loving welfare types. So we get brought to war by the republicans and the democrats tax us to pay for it. Both sides fuck us.

Wilson passed the fed reserve act.
Nixxon took us off the gold standard.

Democrat and Republican. BOTH fucked us severely.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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Have you stopped beating your wife, so to speak?

In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
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You're delusional, which is how I can tell you're a commie libtard.
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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM
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Probablty for the same reason most women "accept" being fucked, spanked and otherwise dominated.

Because it feels natural to them; because it thrills them; because they are "naughty" and as such need to be "punished".

Or something along those lines.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
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You're delusional, which is how I can tell you're a commie libtard.
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Probably gay, and a fart-sniffer, to boot.
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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM
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Probablty for the same reason most women "accept" being fucked, spanked and otherwise dominated.

Because it feels natural to them; because it thrills them; because they are "naughty" and as such need to be "punished".

Or something along those lines.
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PS. Of course most 21st century libtards have NO empirical or visceral understanding of REAL tyranny -- whether it be communist, fascist or Islamist.

By the time they'll learn their lesson, it will be TOO LATE.

Then 100 years from now, there'll be another breed of oblivious, cowardly Ostiches who likewise think they so superior, enlightened and have the world figured out... who then fall pray to the NEXT totalitarian thing that prays upon their gullible weakness.

And so in cycles we go. Kinda funny, to be honest.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
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It should be noted, that left vs right is irrelavant. Both sides get played like a game of chess. Each has its purpose and its rules. Republicans are war mongering corporate welfare supporting religious types. Democrats are big government tax loving welfare types. So we get brought to war by the republicans and the democrats tax us to pay for it. Both sides fuck us.

Wilson passed the fed reserve act.
Nixxon took us off the gold standard.

Democrat and Republican. BOTH fucked us severely.
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That's complete bullshit. Democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. FDR and Obama presided over some of the largest corporate welfare boondoggles in US history.

What I'm saying is that the country's leftists went apeshit over The Patriot Act back in the Bush days. However, now we have drones flying over our heads, TSA groping our privates, Google teaming up with DHS to data mine citizens, warrantless scanning of personal emails, bureaucrats determining what kind of food we can buy and eat, a President openly bypassing the checks and balances of Congress, SCOTUS and our Constitution and it seems to be fine with these same folks simply because those who happen to be in charge now are fellow travelers.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
It seems that the authoritarians of the world would like nothing better than to see the American people disarmed. Hmmm. I wonder why that is. I wonder why American progressives so often share the same point of view with our nation's enemies.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they have "Daddy issues", and need a firm, guiding hand.

This is why so many of them are sexual deviants, and statists.

damned
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Benjamin Franklin was one of the biggest statists of his time, you ignorant artard.
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Indeed, he understood what a Republic as like under Plato's Republic was all about. That it took a STATE for a people to both have a Common Defense and a General Welfare for all its people.

The Representatives are not to be Slaves of their Constitutes.

Apparently, far too many Americans, simply have never really bothered to do the Thought Experiment required: If there be One Representative to represent only one man, then that representative could be slave to the represented one, as the one has one will. But when a representative has two or more to represent, then it would call upon a unanimous vote of all those represented before the representative could be ORDERED by the represented to do the bidding of each and everyone of those many.

The needs of the one versus the needs of the few versus the needs of the many versus the needs of all. These are the tensions in governing within a Republic.

Franklin was a Statist but he also was a Republican (not that mis-labeled political party given that term.)

This is why you should always call the "Democratic Party" by the term Demoncratic, and the "Republican Party" by the term Repukican... so we do not confuse our conversations about the terms of Political Science, of which Franklin was a deep student of.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
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You're delusional, which is how I can tell you're a commie libtard.
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indeed

leftists are ALL about the state
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
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It should be noted, that left vs right is irrelavant. Both sides get played like a game of chess. Each has its purpose and its rules. Republicans are war mongering corporate welfare supporting religious types. Democrats are big government tax loving welfare types. So we get brought to war by the republicans and the democrats tax us to pay for it. Both sides fuck us.

Wilson passed the fed reserve act.
Nixxon took us off the gold standard.

Democrat and Republican. BOTH fucked us severely.
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You suck at history... badly...

Democrats got us into WW1 and WW2 by appeasing...

Much like what they are doing now...
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24210762


It should be noted, that left vs right is irrelavant. Both sides get played like a game of chess. Each has its purpose and its rules. Republicans are war mongering corporate welfare supporting religious types. Democrats are big government tax loving welfare types. So we get brought to war by the republicans and the democrats tax us to pay for it. Both sides fuck us.

Wilson passed the fed reserve act.
Nixxon took us off the gold standard.

Democrat and Republican. BOTH fucked us severely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24210762


Three (or more) Axis:

1st Axis, Left vs Right. X
2nd Axis, Liberal vs Conservative Y
3rd Axis, Anarchist vs Statist Z

There really are more than three dimensions to Politics, but so few know how to handle more than four dimensions in their heads at one time (time, yet another dimension)... so they can work with 3D, yet many seem to be not only Flat Landers, but only 1 dimensional in their political understanding.

When you through in Party Platforms, if you really look at those platforms in terms of these X,Y, Z, axis of the spectrum you will discern that each Platform Point has its own position within those 3 axis, that 3 Space, and the Platform maps out a Phase Space, that can be projected on a Reimannian Manifold.

But this is vastly above the keen of many simple folk who would happened to be very shallow minded and easy to lead around by their belly and gold.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Simply because they realise the hypocrisy of shouting down reasonable arguments from anybody who dares mention differences between races. They can't stand for the liberal principal of free speech while actively seeking to use the law to block such speech. They realised it's easier to embrace a bit of fascism as long as it works in their favour. They also won't refer directly censorship and prefer to laugh their efforts away saying the support free speech, just not for idiots. Hardline leftists are a total mindfuck. Many go as far as to deny authoritarainism even exists.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
yeah you right wingers are anti-authoritarian alright

always supporting the police and whining when the left doesn't suck their cocks.

always supporting the authoritarian, strict controls of religious "morality"

always supporting the government when your guys are running it. you going to tell me all those flagwaving hicks we saw during 2000-2008 weren't "for authority"? they're only against it now because its a democrat. they're as stupid as the liberals who blindly follow Obomba.

and wasn't Ben Franklin carrying out Hellfire rituals in the underground caverns of his house where they later found human bodies? that was the last i heard, bro.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Also,

Wilson did not PASS the FRS, Congress did, and Wilson only signed their decree.

Nixon likewise did not PASS the vote that took the USA off the Gold Standard, no, Congress did that and Nixon merely signed their decree.

Both Presidents could have Vetoed, and then in each case Congress could have over-ridden that Presidential Veto.

Stop blaming the Presidency for the things that Congress does. And stop blaming Congress for things the Executive has down against their back.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Simply because they realise the hypocrisy of shouting down reasonable arguments from anybody who dares mention differences between races. They can't stand for the liberal principal of free speech while actively seeking to use the law to block such speech. They realised it's easier to embrace a bit of fascism as long as it works in their favour. They also won't refer directly censorship and prefer to laugh their efforts away saying the support free speech, just not for idiots. Hardline leftists are a total mindfuck. Many go as far as to deny authoritarainism even exists.
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differences between races, sexes, classes, orientations, etc.

you right-wingers love to point out differences and put everyone into stereotyped categories. then you get you go "WAAAAAHHHH unscientific" whenever anyone tells you that not all blacks run fast, not all gay people look like queens, and not all girls play with dolls while boys play with swords.

like, you guys are all into categorizing everyone and meanwhile the leftists are all into "WE'RE ALL TOGETHER". i ain't no harvard professor but their idea sounds way more productive and cooler.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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Have you stopped beating your wife, so to speak?

In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
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"Have you stopped beating your wife, so to speak?"

How Sexist.

To balance a bit one could ask:

"Have you stopped beating your husband, so to speak?"

To be non-Sexist:

"Have you stopped beating your spouse, so to speak?"
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
It seems that the authoritarians of the world would like nothing better than to see the American people disarmed. Hmmm. I wonder why that is. I wonder why American progressives so often share the same point of view with our nation's enemies.
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Both the Democratic Party and the Republican Party work to Levy Taxes. Hence, both are Authoritarians, clear and simple.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Because they are naive and grew up in a civilized society and don't know the harm governments have done. They mostly have gotten their entire life experience from surfing the internet.
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It should be noted, that left vs right is irrelavant. Both sides get played like a game of chess. Each has its purpose and its rules. Republicans are war mongering corporate welfare supporting religious types. Democrats are big government tax loving welfare types. So we get brought to war by the republicans and the democrats tax us to pay for it. Both sides fuck us.

Wilson passed the fed reserve act.
Nixxon took us off the gold standard.

Democrat and Republican. BOTH fucked us severely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24210762


That's complete bullshit. Democrats got us into WWI, WWII, Korea and Vietnam. FDR and Obama presided over some of the largest corporate welfare boondoggles in US history.

What I'm saying is that the country's leftists went apeshit over The Patriot Act back in the Bush days. However, now we have drones flying over our heads, TSA groping our privates, Google teaming up with DHS to data mine citizens, warrantless scanning of personal emails, bureaucrats determining what kind of food we can buy and eat, a President openly bypassing the checks and balances of Congress, SCOTUS and our Constitution and it seems to be fine with these same folks simply because those who happen to be in charge now are fellow travelers.
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Back up to 1763 as to American History, and World History and work forward. Perhaps you will discover Who set up the US Civil War, the US/Indian Wars, the Americans entrance into World War One and World War Two. As well as who had Set Up Europe and Russia and China, and Japan as well.

One Empire founded in 1763 will be stamped all over the pages. Those stamps might be your first clue.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
The bulk of the conservatives in the US accept unconditionally that the world was created in a week and that it is roughly 6000 years old. If they're dumb enough to buy dogma from thousands of years ago, they're dumb enough to fall for any authoritarian power-play, and it shows.

Seriously, you'd have to move to the Middle East to find a population or sub-population as stupid as our conservatives.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Ever notice when you mock and deride a pathetic, bed-wetting, statist leftist, they automatically assume you're a rightist/fascist?

cruise

They seem to only perceive the world in binary, black or white terms!
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watch when the GOP gets someone in the oval office.

everyone on GLP will become leftist. lmao
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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No clue. THought they were the party of "choice". Choice in lifestyle, religion, abortion, etc.

Just not the crap they disagree with, like unions, guns, etc. ? It's hypocritical. But, they think they "know best" and the other side is stupid. VERY limited worldview, completely self-ish.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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like when bush started the patriot act and the right stood up and cheered?
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
There are authoritarians and anti-authoritarians on both the left and the right. For example, fascism was a right wing authoritarian movement. The antiwar movement of the 60's was anti-authoritarian.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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The biggest reason is because Leftists always need a guiding hand to run their lives. They don't want to take responsibility for their own lives, only other people's lives. With a strong government ruling everything they do, they do not have to think, work, or act by themselves, therefore they can never be wrong, and eagerly accept any and all baubles that the government consents to give them while patting them on the head.

Look at the record. The Democrats and Liberals all scream the official government line, never standing to hear what is actually being said. Republicans want to lessen government control over our lives by limiting it's reach. Patroits are now considered terrorists because they demand that the Constitution be followed.

One question I do have concerning their ultra liberal ideology. If it is right that millionaires should be taxed more, then why do the rich DEMOCRAT BILLIONAIRES refuse to pay their taxes? Soros, Buffett, and others have refused to pay any taxes for the last ten years, are continuing to fight the IRS over their taxes, and yet they were the first to agree with Obama's tax increase.

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