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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?

 
s. d. butler

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the typical libertarian sheep is way too subservient of an authoritarian and unable to think for themselves as an individual.
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I think you need to understand the word libertarian.
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I sense that you are talking about your particular state. Where I am from, most of the larger cities still vote in a more democratic party mode, with the outlying areas voting republican. Your so-called "trailer park" voters usually don't vote. They may accept government handouts, but seldom vote as a block, but if they do, I have yet to see any impact upon the voting results. It still comes down to where most of the people that accept government handouts are the ones that will overwhelmingly vote democratic party. This does not include those accepting social security, as most do not see that as an entitlement, but as a reward that they have paid into for many years of labor.

It is right that people that have done what is expected from them to be rewarded with what they justly deserve, but I will never accept the right of those that do NOT add to the country to be the ones that decides who should receive and who shall not.
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You are simply restating the false narrative that conservatives are hard working and responsible while liberals are lazy whiners who want handouts. That is a Republican myth, not reality. It isn't that liberalism doesn't work, it's that you fail to understand how it works within it's proper context.
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I do truly understand liberalism, I happen to be married to one. I have yet to understand the reasoning behind the ideations of most liberals. I do not understand why everyone HAS to be a winner, why everyone shall have a RIGHT to something that requires time, effort, and money. I will never understand why some should NOT have to work, earn, or put forth the effort that others do in order to have the same things. I am NOT rich, I worked my ass off for over thirty years, unknowingly destroying my lungs in the process, and when I started receiving disability, having half of it taken away to support those that would rather sit on their ass and do nothing and actually receive more handouts from the government that I have a right to collect!
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You have just proven that you do not understand liberalism. Liberalism is not about handouts, laziness, or dependence on government; that is merely a deliberate mischaracterization made by pundits on the right.
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Historically no, but that is most certainly what it means now.

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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
Other people who accept authoritarianism:

- Right-wing Catholics
- FASCISTS
- Democrats
- Hippies...

So it's not just about "leftists".
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the typical libertarian sheep is way too subservient of an authoritarian and unable to think for themselves as an individual.
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I think you need to understand the word libertarian.
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I prefer the definition over the people who profess it...
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Pot kettle black there buddy.
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s. d. butler

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the typical libertarian sheep is way too subservient of an authoritarian and unable to think for themselves as an individual.
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I think you need to understand the word libertarian.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I prefer the definition over the people who profess it...
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I'm not sure what your definition is but I prefer this one:

[link to lewrockwell.com]


Neocons believe deeply in militarism, the corporate State, the police State, the welfare State, the national security State, permanent war, ultra-nationalism, central banking, global empire, and the “noble lie.” The noble lie, by the way, is any propaganda that helps foist their rule on us, and is therefore justified. In other words, they’re fascists.

And whom do the neocons hate the most? Whom do they feel most threatened by? Libertarians. Not the “libertarians” paid by the Koch Bros., who are effective allies of the neocons. But Rothbardian anarcho-capitalists, we who advocate Austrian economics, truth-telling history, and real freedom and property. We who understand that society does not need a set of despicable overlords, and that – in Murray Rothbard’s words – “the State is a gang of thieves writ large.” We who hold that the moral law applies across the board, and that one is not exempted from it by a government suit.

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I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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They understand that people need to be forced to do the right thing.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
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They understand that people need to be forced to do the right thing.
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The "right thing" according to them, no matter how many they have to murder.
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I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28799859


They understand that people need to be forced to do the right thing.
 Quoting: Prostetnik


The "right thing" according to them, no matter how many they have to murder.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


Naturally.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
There are authoritarians and anti-authoritarians on both the left and the right. For example, fascism was a right wing authoritarian movement. The antiwar movement of the 60's was anti-authoritarian.
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this

the true liberals ahd hippies of the 1960s and 70s were very similar to the libertarians

they wanted the freedom to do as they wished, to be left alone and they wanted government out of their lives

meanwhile "lifestyle" voters of both parties, those who want to control what I do or don't do in my bedroom, what I eat, how I live, are nazis in spirit

Most people, however, can't seem to see that these artificial lines and party definitions have been created in order to demonize views that the majority of americans would agree with (fiscal conservatism, personal freedoms)

most GOP neocons are no better than most nanny state over- reaching, regulation happy democrats
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"I already know the answer"=-words of a 'liberal' what a moran
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QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
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Indoctrination via the education system.

Two prime examples.....


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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
It just seems to me that the tactic is so obvious; Use the tactic of modern day liberal causes to secure power. Because the goal is not actually addressing the liberal cause, the true goal is the power.

An excellent example is cigarettes. The government used a propaganda campaign against cigarettes to garner public support for increased power to regulate and confiscate money from businesses creating a legal product. Now, once the precedent has been set and the power ceded, they use that new power to go after other things, soda's that are "too big" in their opinion, toys in Happy Meals, and the like. But by then it is too late. The left willfully complies and even assists in making all of this happen just because the issue of the day may be something that they are in agreement with.

The danger is that once the power is granted to these entities, it is only a matter of time until they use it against the same people that helped them along in the first place.

Its pure evil. I don't know why they can't / don't see it.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
I already know the answer(s), I'm just looking for some other input. Seems to me that the same people who are always so freaking worried about their "rights" have no problem sacrificing their liberties to the like minded.

Is this what Benjamin Franklin meant when he said that those who would sacrifice essential liberties for security deserve neither liberty or security?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28799859


Have you stopped beating your wife, so to speak?

In my world, the leftists support rights and the rightists support authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2162510


Your're a douchebag, so to speak.

Conservatives tend to live in rural areas where they are used to being self reliant.
Libtards crowd together in cities like a herd of sheep and expect to be taken care of by the farmer aka U.S. Govt.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are LEFTISTS so accepting of AUTHORITARIANISM?
There are authoritarians and anti-authoritarians on both the left and the right. For example, fascism was a right wing authoritarian movement. The antiwar movement of the 60's was anti-authoritarian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17152779


this

the true liberals ahd hippies of the 1960s and 70s were very similar to the libertarians

they wanted the freedom to do as they wished, to be left alone and they wanted government out of their lives

meanwhile "lifestyle" voters of both parties, those who want to control what I do or don't do in my bedroom, what I eat, how I live, are nazis in spirit

Most people, however, can't seem to see that these artificial lines and party definitions have been created in order to demonize views that the majority of americans would agree with (fiscal conservatism, personal freedoms)

most GOP neocons are no better than most nanny state over- reaching, regulation happy democrats
 Quoting: IssueX


Incorrect about fascism. Fascism is authoritarian by nature which may be considered Euro-right but not at all "right" in the American conservative libertarian sense. I agree that the neo-cons are no better than the left and most of it is just a game of "good cop / bad cop". That is were conservatives conservatives and both right and left leaning libertarians find common ground. They just want to be left alone. And there is no reason that law abiding citizens should not be left alone.

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