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Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible

 
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You Bible thumpers make me fucking SICK!!!
ANYONE CAN READ A BOOK AND BRING ABOUT ITS PROPHECY TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...ALSO CALLED PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
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You Bible thumpers make me fucking SICK!!!
ANYONE CAN READ A BOOK AND BRING ABOUT ITS PROPHECY TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...ALSO CALLED PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
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GOOD POINT
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You Bible thumpers make me fucking SICK!!!
ANYONE CAN READ A BOOK AND BRING ABOUT ITS PROPHECY TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...ALSO CALLED PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
Idol1
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Merriam-Webster
1
capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Sociologically speaking, propaganda seems to be against Christians and for everyone/everything else. Even you are fulfilling God's Word by persecuting Christians with your words. I don't believe one Christian on this thread asked you to attack to fulfill the scriptures of persecution.

Also, throughout history mankind has performed heinous acts in the name of God. They were wrong. Even the Roman Catholic Church as made amends to much of its own history. Truly, what if God is misunderstood? We shouldn't judge God by man's deeds but by the Word of God. Man makes all kinds of mistakes, some intentional, some unintentional.
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You Bible thumpers make me fucking SICK!!!
ANYONE CAN READ A BOOK AND BRING ABOUT ITS PROPHECY TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...ALSO CALLED PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
Idol1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1279026


Merriam-Webster
1
capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Sociologically speaking, propaganda seems to be against Christians and for everyone/everything else. Even you are fulfilling God's Word by persecuting Christians with your words. I don't believe one Christian on this thread asked you to attack to fulfill the scriptures of persecution.

Also, throughout history mankind has performed heinous acts in the name of God. They were wrong. Even the Roman Catholic Church as made amends to much of its own history. Truly, what if God is misunderstood? We shouldn't judge God by man's deeds but by the Word of God. Man makes all kinds of mistakes, some intentional, some unintentional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23201180


When considering the definition of the word propaganda, what if you are presenting allegations against God for your own cause? If you consider that, what would be your cause for entering this thread? "...damage to an opposing cause"?
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I mean, what are the odds? Find out above. UNDENIABLE!!!
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


There isn't even undeniable contemporary non-Christian references to Jesus having lived. So how do you know he was born in Bethlehem? Or at what date/place he started his "ministry"? That he was even "cut of or killed"? Or that he was betrayed for the price of a slave"?

So from my perspective you are just using the Bible to provide "evidence" for prophecies that are in the Bible. Circular reason much?
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Fulfilled Prophecy: Evidence for the Reliability of the Bible
August 22, 2003
By Dr. Hugh Ross

Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.

(The remaining 500 or so reach into the future and may be seen unfolding as days go by.) Since the probability for any one of these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance averages less than one in ten (figured very conservatively) and since the prophecies are for the most part independent of one another, the odds for all these prophecies having been fulfilled by chance without error is less than one in 102000 (that is 1 with 2000 zeros written after it)!

God is not the only one, however, who uses forecasts of future events to get people's attention. Satan does, too. Through clairvoyants (such as Jeanne Dixon and Edgar Cayce), mediums, spiritists, and others, come remarkable predictions, though rarely with more than about 60 percent accuracy, never with total accuracy. Messages from Satan, furthermore, fail to match the detail of Bible prophecies, nor do they include a call to repentance.

The acid test for identifying a prophet of God is recorded by Moses in Deuteronomy 18:21-22. According to this Bible passage (and others), God's prophets, as distinct from Satan's spokesmen, are 100 percent accurate in their predictions. There is no room for error.

As economy does not permit an explanation of all the Biblical prophecies that have been fulfilled, what follows in a discussion of a few that exemplify the high degree of specificity, the range of projection, and/or the "supernature" of the predicted events. Readers are encouraged to select others, as well, and to carefully examine their historicity.

(1) Some time before 500 B.C. the prophet Daniel proclaimed that Israel's long-awaited Messiah would begin his public ministry 483 years after the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (Daniel 9:25-26). He further predicted that the Messiah would be "cut off," killed, and that this event would take place prior to a second destruction of Jerusalem. Abundant documentation shows that these prophecies were perfectly fulfilled in the life (and crucifixion) of Jesus Christ. The decree regarding the restoration of Jerusalem was issued by Persia's King Artaxerxes to the Hebrew priest Ezra in 458 B.C., 483 years later the ministry of Jesus Christ began in Galilee. (Remember that due to calendar changes, the date for the start of Christ's ministry is set by most historians at about 26 A.D. Also note that from 1 B.C. to 1 A.D. is just one year.) Jesus' crucifixion occurred only a few years later, and about four decades later, in 70 A.D. came the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)*

(2) In approximately 700 B.C. the prophet Micah named the tiny village of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Israel's Messiah (Micah 5:2). The fulfillment of this prophecy in the birth of Christ is one of the most widely known and widely celebrated facts in history.

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 105.)

(3) In the fifth century B.C. a prophet named Zechariah declared that the Messiah would be betrayed for the price of a slave—thirty pieces of silver, according to Jewish law-and also that this money would be used to buy a burial ground for Jerusalem's poor foreigners (Zechariah 11:12-13). Bible writers and secular historians both record thirty pieces of silver as the sum paid to Judas Iscariot for betraying Jesus, and they indicate that the money went to purchase a "potter's field," used—just as predicted—for the burial of poor aliens (Matthew 27:3-10).

(Probability of chance fulfillment = 1 in 1011.)

(4) Some 400 years before crucifixion was invented, both Israel's King David and the prophet Zechariah described the Messiah's death in words that perfectly depict that mode of execution. Further, they said that the body would be pierced and that none of the bones would be broken, contrary to customary procedure in cases of crucifixion (Psalm 22 and 34:20; Zechariah 12:10). Again, historians and New Testament writers confirm the fulfillment: Jesus of Nazareth died on a Roman cross, and his extraordinarily quick death eliminated the need for the usual breaking of bones. A spear was thrust into his side to verify that he was, indeed, dead.


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 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


I suppose one can spin anything to reinforce ones beliefs
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WHY IS THIS SHIT PINNED AGAIN.


STOP LEADING PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY.
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BULLSHIT!

The town of Bethlehem didn't even exist around your fictional messiahs supposed birth!

And king Herod died in the B.C. - so how could he have possibly persecuted your jeeebus?

Your buy-bull is full of shit & you're an idiot for believing it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1235686


Archaeology in the land of Israel is a compelling topic! You'll find answers to Bethlehem there. Not, to mention, the Palestinians have tried to destroy many, many sites in the land.

Yes, you are correct. King Herod died in the B.C. period. If you'll do a bit of research on the birth of Jesus and the creation of the calendar, you'll find that Jesus was born B.C. also!
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So you are saying that the first prophecy the OP mentions is a total fail? The one about Jesus starting his ministry 483 years after the decree of king Artaxerxes?


Unique among all books ever written, the Bible accurately foretells specific events-in detail-many years, sometimes centuries, before they occur. Approximately 2500 prophecies appear in the pages of the Bible, about 2000 of which already have been fulfilled to the letter—no errors.
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WHY IS THIS SHIT PINNED AGAIN.


STOP LEADING PEOPLE INTO SLAVERY.
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If anyone could pin this, that would be much appreciated. I think this thread can reach the unbelievers in a big way, they love their science and facts, well here they are.
 Quoting: TheSeventhGate


They wont touch this thread because they know it comes with a catch.

The minute they reply you will be into them with your usual arrogance and pride, and haughty self rightoue smugness, and begin to tell them how this amazing scientific God is also going to torture them forever if they dont give in to your haughty smug threats of hate and revenge on all who are not as holy and smug self obsessed and utterly up themselves as you are.

Hate filled reply of doom and death and destruction in..

3...

2...

1...
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I think of them more as being vindictive, arrogant, and condemning myself....
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You Bible thumpers make me fucking SICK!!!
ANYONE CAN READ A BOOK AND BRING ABOUT ITS PROPHECY TO GET AWAY WITH CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY...ALSO CALLED PROPAGANDA!!!!!!!!
Idol1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1279026


Merriam-Webster
1
capitalized : a congregation of the Roman curia having jurisdiction over missionary territories and related institutions
2
: the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person
3
: ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect

Sociologically speaking, propaganda seems to be against Christians and for everyone/everything else. Even you are fulfilling God's Word by persecuting Christians with your words. I don't believe one Christian on this thread asked you to attack to fulfill the scriptures of persecution.

Also, throughout history mankind has performed heinous acts in the name of God. They were wrong. Even the Roman Catholic Church as made amends to much of its own history. Truly, what if God is misunderstood? We shouldn't judge God by man's deeds but by the Word of God. Man makes all kinds of mistakes, some intentional, some unintentional.
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How do we know its the true word of god if kings and the elite got to it?

If you remove or add ANYTHING... it is no longer the word of god.
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....Here's a verse that gets fulfilled every day of the week,24/7, 365 days a year, for @ least the last 100 years....! Nahum 2:4..."The chariots shall rage in the streets, they shall justle one against another in the broad ways:they shall seem like torches, they shall run like the lightnings"....xcellent description of car's crashin'/wreckin'....topped off w/a funny car show @ the local drag strip...!!!! lmaodamned
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Lets not forget those four empires


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

and here

[link to www.godssabbathtruth.com]
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Other than than the Bible, where is the corroborating evidence ie: (archaeological, and other historical records that establish these prophecies are fulfilled:

1. Jesus Christ was born
2. Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem
3. Jesus Christ was was betrayed for 30 pieces of silver
4. Jesus Christ was crucified on a cross.

I will leave it at that. Please site all archaeological and historical data that supports these facts other that the Bible.
 Quoting: kentoni1


Zechariah 11:12-17
12 And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver.

13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.

14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

15 And the LORD said unto me, Take unto thee yet the instruments of a foolish shepherd.

16 For, lo, I will raise up a shepherd in the land, which shall not visit those that be cut off, neither shall seek the young one, nor heal that that is broken, nor feed that that standeth still: but he shall eat the flesh of the fat, and tear their claws in pieces.

17 Woe to the idol shepherd that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his right eye shall be utterly darkened.


Matthew 27:1-14
1 When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

2 And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

5 And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

7 And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

8 Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

9 Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

10 And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

11 And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.

12 And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.

13 Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?

14 And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

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