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170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?

 
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So you believe DNA came about by chance?
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I dont believe it, I know it!

Everything came about by chance, thats why humans can create totally new chemistry that has never existed (at least not on this planet) simply by manipulating the raw materials around us, nature does likewise.

The big bang theory is as insane as the god theory, religion is a delusion on a grand scale.

Why not just accept that spirituality is good, religion is evil and God is a freindly grey from Andromeda
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Just because you can alter something does not mean that it happened by accident. You can cut down a tree and carve it, but lets see you create one.
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Creating a tree is quite easy these days.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
I'd say it just depends on what your concept of "God" is, is it not ?
For me, the true concept of "God" is what created the universe and everything in it. This process seems to be driven by some higher intelligence. I strongly believe that without following all the fear mongoring religions.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
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The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
AGREE 100%..........NO religion.

Whether there is a 'god' or not I do not know. But there's no way that dusty old book is god's written word. Every war and every tear can be traced to religion.

Life without religion would be awesome. Let's see what we're really made of and leave off the guilt and manipulation.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
I'd say it just depends on what your concept of "God" is, is it not ?
For me, the true concept of "God" is what created the universe and everything in it. This process seems to be driven by some higher intelligence. I strongly believe that without following all the fear mongoring religions.
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it seems to me that most people tend to get along very well with each other and the fear factor comes from the media, and only the most insane stories hit the airwaves, not sure why.. :(
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
So you believe DNA came about by chance?
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I dont believe it, I know it!

Everything came about by chance, thats why humans can create totally new chemistry that has never existed (at least not on this planet) simply by manipulating the raw materials around us, nature does likewise.

The big bang theory is as insane as the god theory, religion is a delusion on a grand scale.

Why not just accept that spirituality is good, religion is evil and God is a freindly grey from Andromeda
 Quoting: The Scientist


Just because you can alter something does not mean that it happened by accident. You can cut down a tree and carve it, but lets see you create one.
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Creating a tree is quite easy these days.
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No MORON, Planting a tree is easy. Try creating one from scratch
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Lets face it, considering the facts we know and the scale of the universe, god is most likely just a visiting alien race conducting a genetic experiment or interplanetary propagation just like we envisage humans doing on Mars.

God is a fallacy dreamt up to control the masses by the elite.

Religion needs to be banned.

Disagree? Then state your case!
 Quoting: The Scientist


Some see GOD not as a man in heaven sitting on a throne, but as the continual energy that runs through the Universe.
The Bible and its stories is a guide that leads your spirit to a higher power. Some people arent as evolved as other people and still need the stories for spiritual growth, others just poo pah and mock the WORD of God which can be devastaing to their spirit.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
You just proved God!

Obviously you can not even wrap your mind around the numbers you are referencing too so how can your science possibly explain it?

You can not now. So rather than pretend that you know how everything came in to being, how about you have a little faith and believe in some sort of super natural being - which I call God - Jesus Christ, but you may call it a pin unicorn.

Just believe in something greater than us.

Because sometimes the most logical conclusion isn't the most scientific.

God bless!

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Chemistry is king of the jungle.

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
OP, do you believe that Gravity alone shapes the Cosmos?

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Oh goody a scientist!

Aren't you aware that it is the avowed "atheists" that are closest of all to god? Especially those ones that think and swear they know everything. Because they almost do.

Have you seen the results of the Large Hadron Collider? The Higgs-Boson?

"God" is the chirality of the universe, the pattern of radiance. It is the sacred geometry. "Reality" is Indra's Net.

The chirality that permeates every facet of scientific knowledge down to the very quanta.

How do you explain the Force of Desire if not referring to a unified field?

A nervous response via the glutamatergic system that is currently nursed into everything evil, unless it becomes everything good.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Oh goody a scientist!

Aren't you aware that it is the avowed "atheists" that are closest of all to god? Especially those ones that think and swear they know everything. Because they almost do.

Have you seen the results of the Large Hadron Collider? The Higgs-Boson?

"God" is the chirality of the universe, the pattern of radiance. It is the sacred geometry. "Reality" is Indra's Net.

The chirality that permeates every facet of scientific knowledge down to the very quanta.

How do you explain the Force of Desire if not referring to a unified field?

A nervous response via the glutamatergic system that is currently nursed into everything evil, unless it becomes everything good.
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damned

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
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The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
OP, do you believe that Gravity alone shapes the Cosmos?

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No, Chaos shapes the cosmos, gravity is an attribute of Chaos

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
So you believe DNA came about by chance?
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I dont believe it, I know it!

Everything came about by chance, thats why humans can create totally new chemistry that has never existed (at least not on this planet) simply by manipulating the raw materials around us, nature does likewise.

The big bang theory is as insane as the god theory, religion is a delusion on a grand scale.

Why not just accept that spirituality is good, religion is evil and God is a freindly grey from Andromeda
 Quoting: The Scientist


Just because you can alter something does not mean that it happened by accident. You can cut down a tree and carve it, but lets see you create one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Creating a tree is quite easy these days.
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"CREATING" a Tree.......who is the CREATOR? You, Me, Us, Them, Him, Her, It..............?
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
OP, do you believe that Gravity alone shapes the Cosmos?

drevil
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No, Chaos shapes the cosmos, gravity is an attribute of Chaos
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Where did Chaos begin and how?
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


OK Einstein show me an example of a Universal Law being broken.
That should be easy since you said there are mountains of examples right?
I'll be waiting...
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Almost there!

You take a system in which all is chaos.

A void. A vacuum.

Now tell me.

What happens when we look for a single quantum particle within that void?
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Almost there!

You take a system in which all is chaos.

A void. A vacuum.

Now tell me.

What happens when we look for a single quantum particle within that void?
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The shit hits Schroedinger's Fan?
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Yeah, my house, computer and car all evolved-they just showed up one day, nobody designed or made them, oh and I did too....even though my body and the universe are much more complex. Forget the Fibonacci sequence, it is just a fluke.

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Sorry but universal laws are as you say observations which unfortunately are susceptible to new observations which means they are not infallible, they are only correct until the next observation changes it, what may be universal on earth is unlikely to be universal somewhere else, we can only make presumptions based on observations and human experience, doesn't make what we presume are universal laws correct though.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Lets face it, considering the facts we know and the scale of the universe, god is most likely just a visiting alien race conducting a genetic experiment or interplanetary propagation just like we envisage humans doing on Mars.

God is a fallacy dreamt up to control the masses by the elite.

Religion needs to be banned.

Disagree? Then state your case!
 Quoting: The Scientist


And God knows every one of them by name, and also how muvh hair on your head, what a awesome Almighty God we got. Praise His Holy Name
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Sorry but universal laws are as you say observations which unfortunately are susceptible to new observations which means they are not infallible, they are only correct until the next observation changes it, what may be universal on earth is unlikely to be universal somewhere else, we can only make presumptions based on observations and human experience, doesn't make what we presume are universal laws correct though.
 Quoting: The Scientist


Wrong again. Our understanding of the Universal Laws are the only thing that changes NOT the Laws themselves.

Scientifically speaking, Universal Laws are Laws that cannot be broken. If a "Law" can be broken then it is not a "Law" at all.
You obviously are not a scientist or able to look at the subject in a scientific frame of mind.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Universal laws on earth as observed by humans which are subject to revision (see laws of thermodynamics for example) Universal in human terms, not in actual universal terms, how can you possibly state we know the universal laws, we are only just reaching out to our nearest planets, the chemistry, biology and physics may be completely different in every single galaxy, thats a 170 billion possible variations of so called universal laws in the observable universe alone.

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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
What if there is a creator for every galaxy? What if every creator is one of us and we all decided on a planet in each galaxy to see how we can perfect intelligence in life forms, be it carbon based or whatever? Maybe we have to make it through each galaxy and their "God's" creation before we vote on who is the leader of all galaxies?

I don't know the answer just as you don't know the answer, that's why I'll stay agnostic until I have proof on either side.

That's probably why I'm agnostic. You can pretty much make up anything, but we'll probably never know.
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Lets face it, considering the facts we know and the scale of the universe, god is most likely just a visiting alien race conducting a genetic experiment or interplanetary propagation just like we envisage humans doing on Mars.

God is a fallacy dreamt up to control the masses by the elite.

Religion needs to be banned.

Disagree? Then state your case!
 Quoting: The Scientist


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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
Lets face it, considering the facts we know and the scale of the universe, god is most likely just a visiting alien race conducting a genetic experiment or interplanetary propagation just like we envisage humans doing on Mars.

God is a fallacy dreamt up to control the masses by the elite.

Religion needs to be banned.

Disagree? Then state your case!
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It only shows that their is a Creator,
All the planets and things out there show that it has a Creator...
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Re: 170 Billion Galaxies each with 400 billion stars each with 400 billion planets just in the Observable Universe and you still believe in GOD?
There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Universal laws on earth as observed by humans which are subject to revision (see laws of thermodynamics for example) Universal in human terms, not in actual universal terms, how can you possibly state we know the universal laws, we are only just reaching out to our nearest planets, the chemistry, biology and physics may be completely different in every single galaxy, thats a 170 billion possible variations of so called universal laws in the observable universe alone.
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Okay, you're not a scientist. Otherwise, if these laws are observed by "humans" but are not in fact laws, then what entity knows they are not laws and can be broken (despite being proven otherwise by our scientists)?
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So you believe DNA came about by chance?
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I dont believe it, I know it!

Everything came about by chance, thats why humans can create totally new chemistry that has never existed (at least not on this planet) simply by manipulating the raw materials around us, nature does likewise.

The big bang theory is as insane as the god theory, religion is a delusion on a grand scale.

Why not just accept that spirituality is good, religion is evil.
 Quoting: The Scientist


Then you overlook the fact that God is the GREAT SPIRIT.
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The laws are our laws, our way of making sense of our surroundings, laws are their to be broken and usually are at some point, check history for a mountain of examples.
 Quoting: The Scientist


I'm not talking about our laws I'm talking about Universal Laws. Our Scientific "Laws" are simply an observation of Universal Laws THAT CANNOT BE BROKEN.

You cannot disprove this statement therefor every other argument is irrelevant.

There are Laws in this Universe that cannot be broken:
Nothing can come from Nothing, for something to exist it must first be created.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28802277


Sorry but universal laws are as you say observations which unfortunately are susceptible to new observations which means they are not infallible, they are only correct until the next observation changes it, what may be universal on earth is unlikely to be universal somewhere else, we can only make presumptions based on observations and human experience, doesn't make what we presume are universal laws correct though.
 Quoting: The Scientist


Wrong again. Our understanding of the Universal Laws are the only thing that changes NOT the Laws themselves.

Scientifically speaking, Universal Laws are Laws that cannot be broken. If a "Law" can be broken then it is not a "Law" at all.
You obviously are not a scientist or able to look at the subject in a scientific frame of mind.
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Universal laws are framed by humans, universal laws have been proven to be wrong, universal laws as far as humans understand them are based on human observations, universal laws cannot be universal laws unless you have visited every outpost of the universe to check they are universal, if anyone cannot think scientifically its you as you obviously cannot grasp that humans are invariably wrong about pretty much everything, religion is a prime example of our illogical thought processes.

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