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I came to a certain theory on John Todd and I thought I'd share

 
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I came to a certain theory on John Todd and I thought I'd share
So I know I might get ridiculed for posting this about John Todd but here goes: For a while now, I've been doing a bit of an investigation search into John Todd. John Todd "claimed" to be this conspiracy theorist, who was against the NWO/The Illuminati and all that, well.....I did some extensive investigating into this John Todd online and what I have found is...interesting. Here's what I believe I have found out in my investigative search on this guy, my end all conclusion and belief of the investigation is based on a theory that I have but a very strong theory that I believe could be actually converted into proven truth, if one did further probing -- dangerous as it may be, but further and extensive probing could turn my theory into actual proven truth. So here it is:



This John Todd, was said to be a conspiracy theorist of the 70's, 80's and so on. And then in the late 80's, I believe one website said, he was arrested and charged with rape and child molestation and was in a South Carolina prison doing 30 years, I believe that was around 1987 that he was given that sentence, according to this website I visited. While in prison, several people who knew John Todd claimed that he was being drugged with medications that had him in the hospital close to death--he was trying to be killed while in prison by a group whom everyone (including myself) believes was the Illuminati.

Well somewhere during all this, while he was in prison, John Todd made this tape in 1991, supposedly as a plea for help from people who were christians. He said on this tape how the Illuminati were willing to allow him to live if he gave them a large ransom, so Todd called this author he knew from prison to inform him that he was to be released, but that he needed tens of thousands of dollars. This author was not able to come up with the thousand of dollars that Todd wanted--immediately. Later, fellow conspiracy theorist, Fritz Springmeier, who reportedly knew Todd, claimed he was told that the Illuminati offered to let Todd live if he could come up with a large ransom. Now, John Todd told this AUTHOR that he was to be released, but that he needed thousands of dollars...and then Fritz was TOLD that the Illuminati would let Todd live if Todd came up with a ransom....a RANSOM....LARGE SUMS OF MONEY.....PRISON RELEASE, ALLOWED TO LIVE....Are you all doing the math so far??


Now, this "author" John Todd talked to alleges that once John was RELEASED from prison, he was picked up by a chopper and killed by the Illuminati....Now here's where I have questions. First off, if Todd was to be released only AFTER he gave this ransom to the Illuminati, how did he get his release from prison without him having the ransom??? Todd would have had to pay off the ransom to be released--for that was the deal, remember?? So Todd HAD to have paid off the Illuminati to be released and to be allowed to live.....So where is this story coming from that upon his release from prison, he was picked up by a chopper and KILLED by the Illuminati???????? Where's the proof of this? Where's the concrete proof that John Todd was picked up by a chopper and killed....


Then let's look at this: He was picked up from the prison by a chopper??? Isn't that a bit over the top and dramatic, even for the Illuminati? Wouldn't they be more discreet by having him picked up in a car and then driven somewhere secluded where a chopper would be and THEN fly him somewhere away and THEN kill him?? The events surrounding his "murder" don't make ANY sense. So here's my theory on what happened with John Todd and again, let me just say, the following is my BELIEF theory on what happened with John Todd....it's not proven fact....YET. However as I stated, I believe if anyone does some through, extensive, further probing and investigating, they will be able to turn my theory INTO a proven fact


I believe John Todd indeed had MPD as some people claimed (Multiple personality disorder - a defect from being a mind controlled victim of the Illuminati) but I believe he was sincere at first about being a christian...at times...and speaking out against the NWO and the Illuminati and witchcraft and such and he was fine with them attacking him and his mate (whom he "claimed" was his wife, whom he had these children by--by the way no one can find any record of his children ANYWHERE). He was fine being threatened at times and occasionally being the victim of "scare attacks" by the Illuminati, but then when they threw him behind bars--PRISON bars, that's when he began to get scared, especially when he was stabbed multiple times by another inmate while in prison. He was facing 30 YEARS and he was scared and as we all know...the Illuminati, witchcraft satanists and such, they FEED off of fear.

So the Illuminati came to him and offered him a deal: John Todd lays OFF them, and possibly rejoins them and they'll let him live and be released from prison BUT in order for the deal to go through, he had to pay them a ransom (because in one of his tapes, John said there was a $250k bounty on his head by the Illuminati) THIS is the amount I believe he had to pay to the Illuminati in order to continue to live and to be released from prison--he had to pay off the bounty that was on his head. And so a fearful John Todd, he didn't want to spend another moment in prison, he was scared of prison AND the Illuminati so he called out to this author guy he knew and asked him for the money, this author guy didn't have it right then and there, John had to wait a bit...

So John went to the Illuminati and asked if they could hold off a bit, that he was in the process of getting the money but it wouldn't be immediately, and the Illuminati being who they are, they were willing to wait because they WANTED John back. When John was with them, he was their most loyal worshiper, he was a very evil fire that they just could NOT let walk away, they'd rather KILL him first (which they didn't really want to do) then let him walk away, so they waited, not a long time but they waited and finally this author guy came up with the money, John paid it and was released....now here's the evil part......


I believe John told this author to tell everyone and anyone who asked about his (John's) whereabouts---to tell these people asking that he (John) had been released from prison, picked up by a chopper and killed by the Illuminati...THUS, the reason for this? So that people would think he (John Todd) died by the hands of the Illuminati and no one would come LOOKING for him, for if they came looking, they would find out John Todd was NOT dead at all but instead back to his old ways of dealing with the occult, witchcraft and the Illuminati.....now you might say, why would John care about people looking for him once he went back to the occult? Well because it was reported that the first time he had went back to his old ways of the occult, the Illuminati and witchcraft, this man named Jack Chick came looking for him, searching for him and was determined not to leave John alone until he brought John BACK to Christianity....and it it worked.....until he went to prison and was offered with that "deal of a lifetime" from the Illuminati.....


You see this time, John did NOT want to be found by ANYONE, because he had made a strong deal with the Illuminati and you see when you make a deal with them and you break it in any way, or if they feel you are ABOUT to break it in any way, they'll kill you....No, no matter WHAT John Todd may have said before, he didn't want to die, he didn't want to be killed, so he had to keep up the terms of the deal....And thus, John Todd is alive today (63 years old) under one of his aliases (and he had many) and with the satanic occult, the Illuminati and thoroughly involved in witchcraft and satanism and I believe any attempt to try to even convert him back to Christianity now would be hopeless. John, I believe now is too far gone this time, because that's how addictive the Illuminati, witchcraft and the occult and it's practices are...


And let me just say this, if you're one of the ones who believed in John Todd and what he said and you STILL believe in him and what he said....ask yourself these questions? Where's his grave site? Have you been there to it? Where's his supposed wife and children and brother whom he said he had? How did he get released from prison (as this author guy alleges) without paying this --- "ransom for release" to the Illuminati? If you find yourself having a hard time answering these questions then perhaps you need to wake up and realize you've been fooled and MORE SO, betrayed by a man named John Wayne Todd (Collins)
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The whole story (Todds) was and is total Bullshit. That is the truth.

On a Million levels. He was cashing in (big time) on gullible Christians with stories of Satanists attacking him and having gun battles and a completely made up past.

He even called the (fictitious ) book the "necronomicon" the "necromonicon" a million times and claimed it was in a British museum.
He claimed to be CEO of a Music Company which never existed.

He claimed all sorts of easily verifiable BULLSHIT... In fact, if his lips were moving he was lying.
That is the real truth.
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-That said (everything in my previous post) I will say that he was damn entertaining to listen to- The only one who comes close is (fraudster) Bill Shnebelon... I could listen to those guys all day.

Would be great if we could have gotten both in the same room for a total Bullshit session.
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John Todd came out of a lifetime of drugs and satanic witchcraft, including
human sacrifice, before being saved by Christ.

Of course the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2), and the unsaved Christ
denying minions that serve that wicked spirit, attempt to discredit Todd.

The Lord used Todd to preach to the public some of the most important
testimony ever about the devil, his servants, and devices, and Todd's testimony
is fully supported by the Word of God (Matt. 7:16).

Thank you Lord Jesus for the witness of John Todd.





Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matt. 24:35)
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John Todd came out of a lifetime of drugs and satanic witchcraft, including
human sacrifice, before being saved by Christ.

Of course the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2), and the unsaved Christ
denying minions that serve that wicked spirit, attempt to discredit Todd.

The Lord used Todd to preach to the public some of the most important
testimony ever about the devil, his servants, and devices, and Todd's testimony
is fully supported by the Word of God (Matt. 7:16).

Thank you Lord Jesus for the witness of John Todd.





Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matt. 24:35)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


-Is that so?

You Christians are so utterly gullible about so many things-

He was a scam artist and liar. His story doesnt even make any sense , has more holes than swiss cheese and things which he states are easily disproved.

But as long as he "says" he is "Christian" and "Saved" thats good enough for you- Which is sad.

The good lord gave you a brain- use it. He certainly doesnt want you gullible and so easily misled as you clearly are (if you believe anything Todd has said)

He claims he was a maor record producer and CEO of Zodiak Records (I think that was the name- not going to check though) which DOES NOT EXIST, nior has it ever- he stated this multiple times even associating himself with David nash.

He claimed the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced) was real and at the British museum.

He claimed gunfights with automatic weapons many times (no Police reports)

But most of all- he talked about how he was a big shot drug dealer, Pimp, record producer , etc (but he talked about buying small quantities of drugs and dealing with individual problems with prostitutes)- Hint: Anyone who has ever had any experience with the seedier side of life realizes that the "Big Guys" do not go put themselves out there to like that.
Anyhow...
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[link to swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com]

And why the hell would the Illuminati say they "would let him out of jail if he paid a Ransom" (do they need the few Thousand dollars , lol) - And evidently their great power does not extend to Prison- Which is funny because that would be the best place to EASILY take care of him.

-Anyhow thew above link is a decent read.
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He even called the (fictitious ) book the "necronomicon" the "necromonicon" a million times and claimed it was in a British museum.
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this is true, i always found it extremely confusing that a "high-ranking satanist" would mispronounce the name of the necronomicon every single time he said it.... that was a big red flag for me, personally. I think there are grains of truth in his story, but a LOT of it is very questionable. But yes, essentially I agree he very likely had MPD and was under some degree of mind control.

However, OP, your theory on the ransom is intriguing but doesn't really make sense to me.... Why on earth would the illuminati be interested in a ransom, especially such a paltry sum of $250K... these are supposed to be the uber-elite, uber-rich controllers of society, running massive drug and human trafficking schemes to fund their black ops.... $250k would be like peanuts to them..
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John Todd came out of a lifetime of drugs and satanic witchcraft, including
human sacrifice, before being saved by Christ.

Of course the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2), and the unsaved Christ
denying minions that serve that wicked spirit, attempt to discredit Todd.

The Lord used Todd to preach to the public some of the most important
testimony ever about the devil, his servants, and devices, and Todd's testimony
is fully supported by the Word of God (Matt. 7:16).

Thank you Lord Jesus for the witness of John Todd.





Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matt. 24:35)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


-Is that so?

You Christians are so utterly gullible about so many things-

He was a scam artist and liar. His story doesnt even make any sense , has more holes than swiss cheese and things which he states are easily disproved.

But as long as he "says" he is "Christian" and "Saved" thats good enough for you- Which is sad.

The good lord gave you a brain- use it. He certainly doesnt want you gullible and so easily misled as you clearly are (if you believe anything Todd has said)

He claims he was a maor record producer and CEO of Zodiak Records (I think that was the name- not going to check though) which DOES NOT EXIST, nior has it ever- he stated this multiple times even associating himself with David nash.

He claimed the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced) was real and at the British museum.

He claimed gunfights with automatic weapons many times (no Police reports)

But most of all- he talked about how he was a big shot drug dealer, Pimp, record producer , etc (but he talked about buying small quantities of drugs and dealing with individual problems with prostitutes)- Hint: Anyone who has ever had any experience with the seedier side of life realizes that the "Big Guys" do not go put themselves out there to like that.
Anyhow...
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

-Is that so?

You satanists are so utterly gullible about so many things-

The synagogue of Satan are scam artists and liars. Their stories don't even
make any sense, have more holes than swiss cheese and things which they
state are easily disproved by the Word of God.

But as long as they "say" Todd is a "fraud" and "lying" thats good enough for
you- Which is sad.

The good Lord gave you a brain- use it. He certainly doesnt want you gullible
and so easily misled as you clearly are (if you believe anything the minions of
the prince of the power of the air have said)

The synagogue of Satan claims Todd was not a major record producer and
CEO of Zodiak Records (I think that was the name- not going to check though)
which they claim DOES NOT EXIST, nor has it ever- they stated this multiple
times even lying about his legitimate association with David nash.

They claim the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced, but so
what) was not real nor at the British museum.

They claimed many times that Todd had no gunfights with automatic weapons
(and were able to destroy the Police reports as well as Todd's military records
because servants of the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) sit in all high places in
this world)

But most of all- they talked about how he was not actually a big shot drug
dealer, Pimp, record producer , etc (Todd talked about buying small quantities
of drugs and dealing with individual problems with prostitutes, so what)-
Hint: Anyone who believes that because the "Big Guys" usually do not go put
themselves out there to like that, and that therefore Todd's story can't be
true, is just sad
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He even called the (fictitious ) book the "necronomicon" the "necromonicon" a million times and claimed it was in a British museum.
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386


this is true, i always found it extremely confusing that a "high-ranking satanist" would mispronounce the name of the necronomicon every single time he said it.... that was a big red flag for me, personally. I think there are grains of truth in his story, but a LOT of it is very questionable. But yes, essentially I agree he very likely had MPD and was under some degree of mind control.

However, OP, your theory on the ransom is intriguing but doesn't really make sense to me.... Why on earth would the illuminati be interested in a ransom, especially such a paltry sum of $250K... these are supposed to be the uber-elite, uber-rich controllers of society, running massive drug and human trafficking schemes to fund their black ops.... $250k would be like peanuts to them..
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Yes-

The grains of truth are there (he was an Occultist) but he saw his "cash cow" with the christians who actually built him a compound (really) including buildings, donating property, weapons (yes really), food and living expenses.

He was a very low level dabbler who hung out in Occult Bookstores at a time in which "Satanism" (Anton lavey-ism) was really taking hold during the Vietnam era... His "Military Experience" was also completely fraudulent.

His "past" (for the most part) has been traced quite well in an article published in a Christian magazine when the scam became evident- Nothing he said was true (even his "coffee house" salvation)as he had been trying to get into the Christian cash cow "street preacher" scam for years before his supposed "conversion"

-Again though- Some of the best audio I have ever heard. Damn interesting stuff. Especially about Lord of The Rings being the "Witch history book" (I really lol'd at that)- Good stuff.
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John Todd came out of a lifetime of drugs and satanic witchcraft, including
human sacrifice, before being saved by Christ.

Of course the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2), and the unsaved Christ
denying minions that serve that wicked spirit, attempt to discredit Todd.

The Lord used Todd to preach to the public some of the most important
testimony ever about the devil, his servants, and devices, and Todd's testimony
is fully supported by the Word of God (Matt. 7:16).

Thank you Lord Jesus for the witness of John Todd.





Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. (Matt. 24:35)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


-Is that so?

You Christians are so utterly gullible about so many things-

He was a scam artist and liar. His story doesnt even make any sense , has more holes than swiss cheese and things which he states are easily disproved.

But as long as he "says" he is "Christian" and "Saved" thats good enough for you- Which is sad.

The good lord gave you a brain- use it. He certainly doesnt want you gullible and so easily misled as you clearly are (if you believe anything Todd has said)

He claims he was a maor record producer and CEO of Zodiak Records (I think that was the name- not going to check though) which DOES NOT EXIST, nior has it ever- he stated this multiple times even associating himself with David nash.

He claimed the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced) was real and at the British museum.

He claimed gunfights with automatic weapons many times (no Police reports)

But most of all- he talked about how he was a big shot drug dealer, Pimp, record producer , etc (but he talked about buying small quantities of drugs and dealing with individual problems with prostitutes)- Hint: Anyone who has ever had any experience with the seedier side of life realizes that the "Big Guys" do not go put themselves out there to like that.
Anyhow...
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

-Is that so?

You satanists are so utterly gullible about so many things-

The synagogue of Satan are scam artists and liars. Their stories don't even
make any sense, have more holes than swiss cheese and things which they
state are easily disproved by the Word of God.

But as long as they "say" Todd is a "fraud" and "lying" thats good enough for
you- Which is sad.

The good Lord gave you a brain- use it. He certainly doesnt want you gullible
and so easily misled as you clearly are (if you believe anything the minions of
the prince of the power of the air have said)

The synagogue of Satan claims Todd was not a major record producer and
CEO of Zodiak Records (I think that was the name- not going to check though)
which they claim DOES NOT EXIST, nor has it ever- they stated this multiple
times even lying about his legitimate association with David nash.

They claim the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced, but so
what) was not real nor at the British museum.

They claimed many times that Todd had no gunfights with automatic weapons
(and were able to destroy the Police reports as well as Todd's military records
because servants of the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) sit in all high places in
this world)

But most of all- they talked about how he was not actually a big shot drug
dealer, Pimp, record producer , etc (Todd talked about buying small quantities
of drugs and dealing with individual problems with prostitutes, so what)-
Hint: Anyone who believes that because the "Big Guys" usually do not go put
themselves out there to like that, and that therefore Todd's story can't be
true, is just sad
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Dude, learn to Multiquote or please do not try (as it confuses me =)

Anyhow , I have no clue what you are trying to say- But again- Listen with a critical ear. really, you cannot be that stupid.

So the "Illuminati" satanist destroy police records, buisness records , ,military records but cannot kill a guy who is IN PRISON???? Wow. Glad they are so inept- no chance these clowns are in control of the WORLD (when they cannot kill a guy in prison so they offer him a ransom)

OH, And what about all the preachers who once supported him (and actually had his parishioners DONATE to him- They all came out and exposed him. he was still teaching Witchcraft to YOUNG GIRLS (very young) and accidentally gave one ogf the Preachers the WRONG AUDIO TAPE.

-Stay tuned- link incoming.
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[link to www.holysmoke.org]

This was the 1978 pre-curser to a total investigation into Todd by Christianity Today after his Witchcraft teaching to young girls and taking a minor across State lines first happened.
Looking for the actual article- it appeared in a 1979 edition of Christianity Today.
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-Here is the precursor in full.By Paster CHUCK SMITH (appears on all the You Tube Videos with Todd- was a supporter and HUGE donor)


In the past few months, we have received numerous
inquiries concerning the claims of John Todd, who says
that he is an ex-witch who has become a Christian and is
now warning Christians of the occultic conspiracy he was
privy to and which is in the process of controlling the
world and the Church.

Since Todd asserted that he was a Christian, we did
not immediately speak out against him in public, although
our brief investigation showed that his story was not
completely true. Our ministry is to expose those outside
the Church, not within it.

However, Todd's actions in recent months have been
anything but Christian. He has constantly torn down
members of the Body of Christ, has caused division between
churches, has slandered the names of men and women God has
used mightily, and, perhaps most sad of all, he has duped
countless trusting Christians into believing his
fabrications.

We are in the process of a full-length, fully
documented research project on all of Todd's claims but
the urgency of this attack on the Church necessitates this
brief and preliminary report. Our findings as presented
here are accurate, and our ongoing research indicates that
this is just the beginning of documentation showing
conclusively that Todd is wrong. If our quick
investigation uncovered all of this material, it is
logical to assume that Todd's allegations are without
foundation and are completely false.

Todd claims that he was once a "Grand Druid" witch
with connections to the Illuminati, an organization he
claims is occultic, is headed by the Rothschilds (said to
be demons in human form), and which is going to take over
the world and destroy the Church. Some Christians have
taken his words so seriously that whole congregations have
armed themselves in preparation for the "witch's war."
Todd claims that witchcraft such as he was involved in is
over 8,000 years old and is a tightly run network
worldwide in scope.

ILLUMINATI AND THE ROTHSCHILDS

Conspiracy theories often attract a following, and
perhaps the most popular of our day is that on which
implicates some of the world's most wealthy and
influential families (e.g., the Rockefellers, the
Kennedys, the Onassises, and most notably, the
Rothschilds) in a conspiracy aimed at securing worldwide
domination through pitting the major political powers
against each other. It should be clearly understood that
John Todd is not unveiling any essentially new ideas
(however mistaken they are) when he expounds upon a secret
"world takeover plan." With a few colorful and personal
additions and alterations, he is enunciating the same
conspiracy theory that is soberly detailed in right-wing
extremist Gary Allen's _None Dare Call It Conspiracy_, and
other, less popular works.

The conspiracy is understood to have begun on May 1,
1776, when Adam Weishaupt reportedly founded the
Illuminati in Europe. According to Todd, and some other
advocates of the conspiracy theory, the Illuminati has
always been a society whose god is Lucifer, whose religion
is witchcraft, and whose unyielding goal is total
political dominion of the world in order to establish a
one-world government, headed by the son of Lucifer (the
Antichrist) as ruler. However, while historical data does
confirm that the Illuminati was an anti- government
organization, history flatly contradicts the occultic
nature of the group, and many of Todd's assertions about
it.

ADAM WEISHAUPT

Weishaupt founded the Illuminati on the basis of his
own philosophy of anarchy and primitive utopia. Because
of his anarchistic beliefs, it is little wonder that the
Bavarian government confiscated his works:

The first stage in the life of the whole human race is
savagery, rough nature, in which the family is the only society,
and hunger and thirst are easily satisfied,...in which man enjoys
the two most excellent goods, Equality and Liberty, to their
fullest extent...in these circumstances...health was his usual
condition...Happy men, who were not yet enough enlightened to
lose their peace of mind and to be conscious of the unhappy
mainsprings and causes of our misery, love of power...envy...
illnesses and all the results of imagination.

Adam Weishaupt quoted in
Nesta H. Webster's _Secret Societies and
Subversive Movements_, London, Britons
Publishing Company, p. 213.

Weishaupt reasoned that the cause of man's problems was
the development of civilization and government, as these
destroyed both freedom and equality. Hence the solution
to the human dilemma for Weishaupt was for men to learn
total independence.

On the basis of this out look, the political goal of
the Illuminati was to create anarchy:

That man should govern himself and rulers should be gradually
done away with. But his is careful to deprecate all ideas of
violent revolution--the process is to be accomplished by the most
peaceful methods.
ibid., p. 213.

Quite obviously, the goal of the Illuminati was not,
as Todd claims, one world government, but _no_ government!

Rather than holding witchcraft as its religion and
Lucifer as its god, Weishaupt's Illuminati had a basic
abhorence of the occultic arts and practitioners:

For all forms of 'theosophy;' occultism, spiritualism, and
magic Weishaupt expresses nothing but contempt, and the Rose-
Croix masons are bracketed with the Jesuits by the Illuminati as
enemies it is necessary to out wit at every turn. Consequently
no degree of Rose-Croix finds a place in Weishaupt's systems, as
in all the other masonic orders of the day which drew their
influences from Eastern or Cabalistic sources...the more we
penetrate into his system, the more apparent it becomes that all
the formulas he employs which derive from any religious
source...merely serve to disguise a purely material purpose, a
plan for destroying the existing order of society.

ibid., pages 201, 202.

While Weishaupt himself was not an occultist, he used
the current popularity of occultic secret societies as an
effective cover for his subversive designs. His followers
penetrated the inner circles of Freemasonry, and he
devised "mysteries," and "degrees" of initiation similar
to Rosicrucianism, in order to lure men into his society,
from whom he could choose the ones who would be truly
useful to the Illuminati. It should be noted that even
this bogus occultism was not witchcraft in its classical
sense, nor in the manner in which John Todd describes it.

The Illuminati was effectively suppressed in Bavaria
by the government in March of 1785. The exact role of the
Illuminati in history after this has been a hotly debated
issue. Many historians agree with Mervyn Jones that "No
further authentic record of the Illuminati remains."
[MacKenzie, Norman, ed., _Secret Societies_, New York,
Holt, Rinehart and Winston, p. 170.] Theories that
perceive further subversive activities by the Illuminati
range from the reasonable to what must be regarded as
paranoid fancy. According to people like Todd, the
Illuminati has control of almost every aspect of our
political, social, economic, and religious life, and
current world and national events are practically all the
unfolding of a master plan for world domination.

The information Todd asserts could easily have been
obtained through reading of popular conspiracy literature
rather than from his so-called "secret first-hand
knowledge."

THE ROTHSCHILD FAMILY

The Rothschild family, who through their banking
empire have exerted tremendous influence in Europe over
the last two hundred years, have been identified by Todd
and others as the actual creators and undisputed rulers of
the Illuminati. The fact that the Rothschilds have
definitely had a powerful hand in European politics,
particularly in the nineteenth century, makes them easy
targets for suspicion of worldwide conspiracy. However,
the allegations made by Todd seem difficult to prove
indeed. For example, it is significant that in our
research we found that the more respectable historians,
even those looking for a conspiracy, did not even mention
the Rothschilds in their treatment of the Illuminati.

WITCHCRAFT

The practice of witchcraft is ancient, but not in the
form it is popularly identified with today. In primitive
cultures, witches often served as mediators between the
unseen and seen realms, and received their powers through
voluntary spirit possession. John Todd claims that the
rites performed by his witches coven are 8,000 years old.
However, as M. G. Marwick notes in the 1978 edition of
Encyclopedia Britannica:

The incorrect use of the term refers to persons claiming to be
witches who are reported to belong to covens, to assemble on
appropriate calendrical occasions for sabbats at which they
perform rituals of as long a tradition as the coven leaders claim
descent from earlier witches...These so-called witches claim to
be adherents of an ancient religion, the one to which
Christianity is regarded as a counterreligion...These
practitioners usually turn out to be sincere but misguided people
who have been directly or indirectly influenced by Margaret
Murray's article "Witchcraft," in the 14th edition of
Encyclopedia Britannica (1929), which put forth in its most
popular form her theory that the witches of western Europe were
the lingering adherents of a once general pagan religion that has
been displaced, though not completely, by Christianity. This
highly imaginative but now discredited theory gave a new
respectability to witchcraft.

DIVIDING THE BRETHREN

John Todd has accused Christian leaders of all kinds
of occultic involvement and spiritual apostasy. He seems
especially hateful towards the Charismatic movement. We
are not sure at this stage in our investigation of the
reasons behind this animosity for a part of the Body of
Christ. However, we are following some leads which could
prove very embarrassing for Todd and which would give the
emotional reaction necessary for such a condemnation by
Todd of the charismatic community.

Among the Christian leaders Todd has attacked are
Walter Martin, director of Christian Research Institute
and professor at Melodyland School of Theology, Rev. Ralph
Wilkerson, pastor of Melodyland Christian Center, Pastor
Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa, and
Maranatha! Music, also of Costa Mesa.

We have contacted each of these leaders and asked
them to respond to the charges Todd has made. Their
responses follow. It is a serious matter to denounce a
man or a ministry God is using to further his kingdom.
All of these objects of Todd's scorn love God and serve
his son faithfully. All are grieved at Todd's false
accusations, and all would pray that Christians would
investigate those accusations, see the truth of the
matter, and pray that God would bring Todd to obedience to
his omnipotent will. The statement which follow should
silence the rumors effectively. [see file JTCLETT.TXT]

CONCLUSION

Paul instructs us: "Reject a factious man after a
first and second warning, knowing that such a man is
perverted and is sinning, being self condemned" (Titus
3:10,11), and "Now I urge you, brethren; keep your eye on
those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the
teachings which you learned and turn away from them. For
such men are not slaves of our Lord Jesus Christ but of
their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering
speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting"
(Romans 16:17,18).

John Todd has been confronted and warned many times
about the errors and falsehoods he is promulgating. The
body of Christ is arising and judging his ministry for its
lack of good fruit (Matthew 7:15-20). His ministry has
created fear, suspicion, and division among the members of
the church. Many of his claims have been proven false.
Christians should not allow themselves to be disturbed by
what he has said. Christian Research Institute is in
agreement with the discernment being reached by believers
across the country, that because John Todd has not
responded to the warnings delivered to him by men and
women of God, he should be avoided and rejected by the
body of Christ until such time as he does repent.

_____________________________________________________________​__________

MELODYLAND
opposite Disneyland
Ralph Wilkerson, pastor

STATEMENT CONCERNING JOHN TODD

To Whom it May Concern:

Because there have been numerous reports that have come to
our office, of necessity we have felt that we must answer
some of the charges that have been made by a person that
we do not even know. I can fully assure you that this man
has lied in stating that he has given a large check to me
or Melodyland. In no way has anybody associated with the
occult given us financial assistance. This same charge
was made against Pastor Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel in
Costa Mesa and has been made against others.

Also John Todd states that we have reservations about the
miracles in the Old Testament. Upon request I will be
glad to furnish any information on our doctrinal statement
for both the school of theology and the church. Also John
Todd went on to state that I believe God cannot save a
person in the occult or cannot save witches. Perhaps we
have had more people converted from these areas of evil
than any other group.

I might also suggest that you secure my new book _ESP Or
HSP_ which totally destroys John Todd's argument about our
belief in the occult, for may have considered this book
one of the most drastic steps against the occult.

Sincerely for souls,
(signed)
Pastor Ralph Wilkerson

10 Freedman Way.PO Box 6000.Anaheim, California 92806.(714)MELODY1
_____________________________________________________________​_________

CRI
CHRISTIAN RESEARCH INSTITUTE
POST OFFICE BOX 500
San Juan Capistrano, CA 92693
Prof. Walter Martin, Director

October 5, 1978

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

I have heard accusations made by John Todd concerning
me and other Christian leaders. Those accusations are not
true and are causing very serious division in the Body of
Christ. This is not the fruit of a Christ-centered
ministry.

I believe the Bible to be the complete and absolute
Word of God, correct in all that it states in all areas.
I would never, as I have been accused of, state that the
Bible was wrong and I was right.

I stand with my brothers in Christ, Ralph Wilkerson,
Chuck Smith, and Chuck Fromm, in admonishing the Church to
beware of this false teacher, John Todd, who is spreading
rumors and lies about those of us whom God is using to
save souls.

It is not for me or any other man to judge the soul of
John Todd. If he is a Christian, God help him, for he
knows better and God will require these actions of him on
the judgment day. If he is not a Christian, I would pray
that the Holy Spirit would touch his soul and that he
would turn from his deceitful ways and come to Christ, the
healer of men and saver of souls.

Because of the numerous concerned requests we all have
received about the claims of John Todd, and because our
investigation has shown those claims to be false, we
believe that this report is necessary.

Let us look to the author of all Truth, Jesus Christ,
in these last days when rumors abound and God's people are
called upon to unite in one body, to become one even as
the Father and Son are one (John 17).

In the fellowship of the Master,
(signed)
Walter Martin
Director

WM/gp
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MARANATHA! MUSIC

October 3, 1978

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN:

This is the position of Maranatha! Music regarding the
claims of John Todd concerning Maranatha! Music and its
supposed relationship to a group known as the Illuminati.

Maranatha! Music is a non-profit organization grossing
approximately 1.1 million dollars annually. It was
started in connection with Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa in
1971 (incorporated as a separate organization in 1972)
with a loan from Pastor Chuck Smith of under $3000.

That money was used to produce the first Maranatha!
Music album, which sold over 200,000 copies. The money
from those sales furthered the ministry and was the source
for funds to produce more albums. Today, fifty per cent of
our sales are from our _Praise_ albums.

We have been audited by the Internal Revenue Service,
out books have been declared accurate, and we welcome
further audits from any reputable, qualified firm.

Our organization is governed by a board of directors,
who serve without pay.

On the basis of the above facts, I state that the
claims of John Todd concerning Maranatha! Music are not
true. Maranatha! Music was not started with $8 million,
given through Todd by the Illuminati to promote Christian
rock music, which Todd says is occultic.

We did not at any time sue Todd and certainly did not
withdraw a suit when Todd told us such a suit would
confirm his allegations.

The Calvary Chapel choir director was not given two
checks for $4 million each for Maranatha! Music by Todd.
Calvary Chapel has no choir and no choir director.

We pray that Christians will discern the truth in this
matter and will seek documentation such as that presented
above to disprove Todd's statements concerning Maranatha!
Music and the other Christian ministries he has spoken
against.

In the love of Christ,
(signed)
Chuck Fromm,
President

MARANATHA! MUSIC, P.O. BOX 1396, Costa Mesa, CA 92626, 714-979-8536
_____________________________________________________________​_______
calvary chapel of costa mesa

3800 Fairview Road Santa Ana, CA 92704
979-4422

October 5, 1978

To Whom It May Concern,

This is a statement made with God as my witness and
without any fear of refutation that John Todd in his
declaration that Calvary Chapel, or Maranatha Productions,
or Maranatha Music, or myself personally, or any associate
of mine has ever at any time received any amount of money
from him--$4 million, $8 million, or any other amount- -is
an absolute total lie, and it is totally without any
evidence or substantiation upon his part. Any monies of
this amount would be major transactions in any bank, and
it would be easy for him to proof his allegations with
canceled checks. If he could do so, I would be happy to
give him $50,000, which I don't have, but I would obligate
myself to it and would be willing to do so for any kind of
evidence that he could produce to show that his statement
has even one shred of truth to it. It is a total
fabrication and a complete lie.

I am not a wealthy man under any standards. I have always
believed in living a very simple life, and I receive a
smaller salary than does a brick layer. I do not own any
apartment complexes. I do not own any apartments or
condominiums. I own the house that I am living in, or
rather the savings and loan company owns the house I am
living in. I drive a Chevrolet car that was sold to me at
dealer's cost because the dealer is a member of Calvary
Chapel. I have never driven fancy cars; I do not believe
in driving fancy cars. I have always driven used cars up
until the dealer offering me a new car at his cost.

I did not want to finance construction of a Baptist
church. I know nothing about offering any amount of money
to any Baptist church for construction purposes. Calvary
Chapel, out of our loan fund, loaned the 1st Baptist
Church in Costa Mesa $250,00.00 to save the church from
foreclosure. It was necessary that we borrow that money
from the bank in order to loan it to the 1st Baptist
Church, but because of our excellent credit standing with
Lloyd's Bank, we borrowed the money from them to loan to
the Baptist church. This is all a matter of record and
can be proven easily. It was a gesture of our Church
Board to show how we feel body of Christ is one and should
never be divided by scurrilous lies such as John Todd is
making around the country. The man is an absolute liar and
anybody is insane who listens to him or gives any credence
to what he has to say.

I believe that it is time that the truth be established,
and John Todd be declared for what he is--an absolute liar
in league with Satan and going around doing a damning work
within the church, seeking to divide the body rather than
bring it together. If it were not for the scripture
concerning going to law with a brother, I would have sued
John Todd long ago for liable and slander; because I do
obey the scriptures and seek to obey them, I have not
filed this suit against him but the statements that he
makes are totally false.

Maranatha Music was actually started with my own personal
investment of $3000.00. The first album was made on a
4-track tape recorder. The first distribution was out of
the trunk of the car to the local book stores. If we had
had a $1 million budget, or $4 million budget, or $8
million budget, you can believe we would have started out
fancier than we did. The Love Song were never into
witchcraft, though they were into some of the Eastern
religions, and mainly into drugs, and were saved out of a
life of drugs, and were never trained by any witches, nor
were they involved in witchcraft as he again slanderously
lied against these beautiful brothers in Jesus Christ.

Maranatha Music has grown as we have attempted to bring
the music in a way that will communicate to people today
to the church, and we praise the Lord for the way the
music has blessed thousands of people, and has been
instrumental in conversion of many thousands to Jesus
Christ. Even to the present date, Maranatha Music has not
done a total of $8 million in business, and this also can
be easily verified and confirmed, and any reputable person
is welcome to look at the books of both Calvary Chapel and
Maranatha Music in order to prove the statements that I
make are correct.

Calvary Chapel has never received, nor any of our
associate ministries has never received any major
contribution from any single source. Calvary Chapel has
been supported from the beginning solely by the tithes and
the offerings of our own local constituency. We have
never gone outside of our own local constituency for any
monies at any time, and every dollar can be accounted for
on our tithe records which have been kept for the purposes
of the Internal Revenue Service, so that we can easily
prove where every dollar has come from that has gone into
the ministry here. We have always been extremely careful
and frugal in the spending of God's money, and as a
result, Calvary chapel has been able to use the resources
that have come in through our tithes to do many wonderful
things for the Lord. All of our facilities are totally
paid for, and we rejoice that we are able to help now
other churches in their financial needs. We have built
radio stations in mission fields, and have been able to do
many marvelous things for God, because He has provided so
abundantly just through the tithing members here at
Calvary.

John Todd is an unmitigated liar, a deceiver, a divider
within the body of Christ, and needs to be exposed.

Sincerely, in Christ Jesus
(signed)
Pastor Charles W. Smith
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Well apparently, John said on one of his tapes, the bounty on his head was $250k, thus leading me to believe he had to pay his bounty in order to be released and be allowed to live....and with that I believe he made the deal with the Illuminati and went back with them because like I said, the idea of him being let out of prison, whisked away in a chopper and killed just sounds....OFF to me, this guy, wouldn't he be more smart not to just get in some chopper knowing the Illuminati were after him? So he was THAT trustworthy to just get in a chopper and be whisked away?? Nah, either John and this author guy got together and made that shit up for this author guy to lie about or John Todd was INCREDIBLY dumb. lol
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-Oh yes, and Jimmy carter was thew Anti-Christ. Didnt Rothschild AND Lucifer personally tell him that?
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Well apparently, John said on one of his tapes, the bounty on his head was $250k, thus leading me to believe he had to pay his bounty in order to be released and be allowed to live....and with that I believe he made the deal with the Illuminati and went back with them because like I said, the idea of him being let out of prison, whisked away in a chopper and killed just sounds....OFF to me, this guy, wouldn't he be more smart not to just get in some chopper knowing the Illuminati were after him? So he was THAT trustworthy to just get in a chopper and be whisked away?? Nah, either John and this author guy got together and made that shit up for this author guy to lie about or John Todd was INCREDIBLY dumb. lol
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Also I'm not saying John was lying the entire time when he was preaching to the masses about the Illuminati and the NWO, and etc., I believe he was really into helping people come away from all that...(sorry, I just don't care what preachers say about these rape and molestation claims and these claims of him doing egregious things while preaching in churches, I don't believe how they have worded these claims against Todd) but I think once he got to prison and he was offered with this deal from the Illuminati, in fear, he took it and turned his back on Christianity and conspiracy theories.
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Well apparently, John said on one of his tapes, the bounty on his head was $250k, thus leading me to believe he had to pay his bounty in order to be released and be allowed to live....and with that I believe he made the deal with the Illuminati and went back with them because like I said, the idea of him being let out of prison, whisked away in a chopper and killed just sounds....OFF to me, this guy, wouldn't he be more smart not to just get in some chopper knowing the Illuminati were after him? So he was THAT trustworthy to just get in a chopper and be whisked away?? Nah, either John and this author guy got together and made that shit up for this author guy to lie about or John Todd was INCREDIBLY dumb. lol
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Also I'm not saying John was lying the entire time when he was preaching to the masses about the Illuminati and the NWO, and etc., I believe he was really into helping people come away from all that...(sorry, I just don't care what preachers say about these rape and molestation claims and these claims of him doing egregious things while preaching in churches, I don't believe how they have worded these claims against Todd) but I think once he got to prison and he was offered with this deal from the Illuminati, in fear, he took it and turned his back on Christianity and conspiracy theories.
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-You can believe as you wish buit it never happened that way.

Its documented. The very people who brought him in the spotlight, paid his wages , gave him land, built him buildings and gave him a platform- THEY came out against him when he accidently gave them an audio tape (which was supposed to be about his teachings) but proved he was teaching Witchcraft to young Girls and mocking Christians.

Then it was DOCUMENTED that he opened an occult book store.
This shit isnt made up. He was essentially kicked out of the church and branded a fraud and then he opened an Occult shop.

-He never was a "Christian" , he was making the phat loot off of gullibility (much like Bill Shnebelen and a host of other "ex-Satanists")
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-Oh yes, and Jimmy carter was thew Anti-Christ. Didnt Rothschild AND Lucifer personally tell him that?
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satan has been promising his elite that they would have their nwo since forever,
and keeps failing to deliver, because he is the father of lies

nothing happens until the Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen

lost souls are so sad believing all the crap fed them by this world run by that old
serpent, the prince of the power of the air

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near (Isa. 55:6)
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So the "Illuminati" satanist destroy police records, buisness records , ,military records but cannot kill a guy who is IN PRISON????
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

that's right, satan and his can only do what the Lord allows them to do, when the
Lord allows them to do it (Job 1:6-12)

satan is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) and the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2)

all high ranking politicians, military, law enforcement, and judicial officers, as
well as all top level people in every field from science to media are either with
or subservient to (same difference) the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9)

but they can't make a move unless it comes down the pipeline from satan, who
can't make a move unless he gets permission from God (of course satan doesn't
tell his slaves this)

heavy stuff


OH, And what about all the preachers who once supported him (and actually had his parishioners DONATE to him- They all came out and exposed him. he was still teaching Witchcraft to YOUNG GIRLS (very young) and accidentally gave one ogf the Preachers the WRONG AUDIO TAPE.

-Stay tuned- link incoming.
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

Again, Todd came out of a lifetime of horrific witchcraft.

He was far from perfect, and undoubtedly had episodes of back sliding.

Did he fall away from Christ at the end of his life? Only he and the Lord know.

But his testimony was true, because it is fully supported by the Word of God.
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-Oh yes, and Jimmy carter was thew Anti-Christ. Didnt Rothschild AND Lucifer personally tell him that?
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

satan has been promising his elite that they would have their nwo since forever,
and keeps failing to deliver, because he is the father of lies

nothing happens until the Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen

lost souls are so sad believing all the crap fed them by this world run by that old
serpent, the prince of the power of the air

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near (Isa. 55:6)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


So hansel and gretel killed the witch in her own over- grimms fairy tales

(see I have quotes from made up stories too) ;)
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So the "Illuminati" satanist destroy police records, buisness records , ,military records but cannot kill a guy who is IN PRISON????
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

that's right, satan and his can only do what the Lord allows them to do, when the
Lord allows them to do it (Job 1:6-12)

satan is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) and the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2)

all high ranking politicians, military, law enforcement, and judicial officers, as
well as all top level people in every field from science to media are either with
or subservient to (same difference) the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9)

but they can't make a move unless it comes down the pipeline from satan, who
can't make a move unless he gets permission from God (of course satan doesn't
tell his slaves this)

heavy stuff


OH, And what about all the preachers who once supported him (and actually had his parishioners DONATE to him- They all came out and exposed him. he was still teaching Witchcraft to YOUNG GIRLS (very young) and accidentally gave one ogf the Preachers the WRONG AUDIO TAPE.

-Stay tuned- link incoming.
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

Again, Todd came out of a lifetime of horrific witchcraft.

He was far from perfect, and undoubtedly had episodes of back sliding.

Did he fall away from Christ at the end of his life? Only he and the Lord know.

But his testimony was true, because it is fully supported by the Word of God.
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You guys really are insane.
An answer for everything and "who needs proof?" when there are invisible sky Gods to blame shit on.

-Anyhow, I am out. have fun.
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And what makes you think that John Dee didn't have it and it ended up at the Bodelian?

"He claimed the necronomicon (which he constantly mispronounced) was real and at the British museum."

"The main research and copyright deposit library of the University of Oxford.
Its three-storied flying-buttressed facade belies just how many books Oxford's most famous library now stores. Its origins can go back to the 14th Century."
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So the "Illuminati" satanist destroy police records, buisness records , ,military records but cannot kill a guy who is IN PRISON????
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

that's right, satan and his can only do what the Lord allows them to do, when the
Lord allows them to do it (Job 1:6-12)

satan is the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4) and the prince of the power of the air (Eph. 2:2)

all high ranking politicians, military, law enforcement, and judicial officers, as
well as all top level people in every field from science to media are either with
or subservient to (same difference) the synagogue of Satan (Rev. 2:9)

but they can't make a move unless it comes down the pipeline from satan, who
can't make a move unless he gets permission from God (of course satan doesn't
tell his slaves this)

heavy stuff


OH, And what about all the preachers who once supported him (and actually had his parishioners DONATE to him- They all came out and exposed him. he was still teaching Witchcraft to YOUNG GIRLS (very young) and accidentally gave one ogf the Preachers the WRONG AUDIO TAPE.

-Stay tuned- link incoming.
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

Again, Todd came out of a lifetime of horrific witchcraft.

He was far from perfect, and undoubtedly had episodes of back sliding.

Did he fall away from Christ at the end of his life? Only he and the Lord know.

But his testimony was true, because it is fully supported by the Word of God.
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Yeah that's what I believe about Todd, when he accidentally gave this tape telling of his witchcraft teachings and opened up the occult shop called the Witches Cauldron, I read it was during the times in his christianity, where he indeed did backslide, I mean so yeah he wasn't perfect, everyone backslides but where he fu**ed up was when he left prison and went BACK to witchcraft, which I believe he did.
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-Oh yes, and Jimmy carter was thew Anti-Christ. Didnt Rothschild AND Lucifer personally tell him that?
 Quoting: Goodmen 16778386

satan has been promising his elite that they would have their nwo since forever,
and keeps failing to deliver, because he is the father of lies

nothing happens until the Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen

lost souls are so sad believing all the crap fed them by this world run by that old
serpent, the prince of the power of the air

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near (Isa. 55:6)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491


So hansel and gretel killed the witch in her own over- grimms fairy tales

(see I have quotes from made up stories too) ;)
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Well all this talk about John Todd, I felt I had to get in on it. I only been here about once or twice but I've been interested in John's work for a while now and so has my sister and she did this video on John Todd that tells where he could possibly be today, and uh I thought I'd post it here for ya'll.

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Re: I came to a certain theory on John Todd and I thought I'd share
In an early edition of his book, Springmeier stated that Todd was released from prison in 1994. An Illuminati-owned helicopter picked him up at the prison, and he was never seen again - presumably murdered by Them. Springmeier later removed this erroneous information, but continued to assert that Todd was framed.

Todd was actually released from prison in 2004. He was then committed to the Behavioral Disorder Unit run by the South Carolina Department of Mental Health.
Under the name "Kris Kollyns", he filed a lawsuit against numerous employees of this department, alleging he was being held in violation of his Constitutional rights. Before the lawsuit was resolved, he died in the BDU on November 10, 2007.

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Re: I came to a certain theory on John Todd and I thought I'd share
-Oh yes, and Jimmy carter was thew Anti-Christ. Didnt Rothschild AND Lucifer personally tell him that?
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satan has been promising his elite that they would have their nwo since forever,
and keeps failing to deliver, because he is the father of lies

nothing happens until the Lord Jesus Christ allows it to happen

lost souls are so sad believing all the crap fed them by this world run by that old
serpent, the prince of the power of the air

Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near (Isa. 55:6)
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So hansel and gretel killed the witch in her own over- grimms fairy tales

(see I have quotes from made up stories too) ;)
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Well all this talk my baby sis is doing on and about John Todd, I felt I had to get in on it. I've been interested in John's work for a while now and so has my older sister and she did this video on John Todd that tells where he could possibly be today, and uh I thought I'd post it here for ya'll.

[youtube] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Re: I came to a certain theory on John Todd and I thought I'd share
In an early edition of his book, Springmeier stated that Todd was released from prison in 1994. An Illuminati-owned helicopter picked him up at the prison, and he was never seen again - presumably murdered by Them. Springmeier later removed this erroneous information, but continued to assert that Todd was framed.

Todd was actually released from prison in 2004. He was then committed to the Behavioral Disorder Unit run by the South Carolina Department of Mental Health.
Under the name "Kris Kollyns", he filed a lawsuit against numerous employees of this department, alleging he was being held in violation of his Constitutional rights. Before the lawsuit was resolved, he died in the BDU on November 10, 2007.

[link to swallowingthecamel.blogspot.com]
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Yeah but I have heard multiple people say he is still alive and that he DIDN'T die and then...well I'll just say this, I had this very..odd experience on FB recently with someone whom I believe was either JT himself or someone who knew him and that experience further makes me believe the dude is out there somewhere...I don't believe all that B.S. my baby sis posted up there about him going back to the occult but I believe he's still locked up somewhere.

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