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The Somebody ?

 
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
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So in regards to a Nobody, what infinitely thin line is every human alive in danger of crossing, or chit forbid, has already been crossed?

A cop's line of reasoning, at the most basic, goes like this:

People whom I respect, said I can do this to you and your dog with no consequences, and because you ostensibly conform to the same system as I, I can do anything I wish to you and your dog.

The cop's only concern is that it won't cost him some chit for giving you his chit.

His panacea is the way he thinks he looks and what he can do to you. And his blind spot is that he is no longer any more advanced than the dog of yours which he shot. Who was also just attempting to protect it's master from someone with a gun.

If the cop was truly fair about things though, he would already have a written order on file and a holographic will in place, absolving you from damage when you pick up your shotgun and kill him like he killed your dog. After all, same system, same chit.

But no, the cop thinks he will likely get away with it. Even the dog knows better than that.
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


Also, the dynamics of morals and ethics as you keep coming back to the cop mentalities is as diverse as individuality.

Some may kick a dog for fun. Some may do it for revenge. Some may do it because of negative past experiences with dogs. Some may do it purely out of impulse, or reaction because the cop is insecure and feels somehow threatened. On and on.

For the most part, is goes into the 'spiritual' (inner) side, or consciousness, etc, of the cop, and not just the exterior viewing of a cop doing or not doing such a thing.

When viewing it from exterior values, we must rely more on our own projection and perception, instead of the reality of the consciousness behind the motive.

WOOF, GRRRRRR!
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SO, if everyone eats plants and poops dirt, then everyone is overly concerned about the shininess of their chits.

And the regularity of them.

We don't dare tax sunlight directly, although we may sue for damages caused by the erection of a shade producing building too near to ours. Because we chose to live in a city.

Yet if the idea of Somebodies has any merit whatsoever, then cities are the nexus and end goal of human life. Therefore, anyone living in a city cannot help their condition, it is perfectly natural and it should never be helped. If there is no survival of the fittest, then there is no honorable Somebodies for chit issuing purposes.

The only possible conclusion is that society exists to produce the perfect Nobody, or was invented by the perfect Nobody. A Somebody who divided up their many talents to create individual lifeforms to embody the ten million aspects of his or her persona.

So if this person wanted cities around working for chit that they all produce themselves anyway, where would he sit and sip lemonade while laughing at the circus?

What is proof of life outside the system of chit.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


a good question.
i wish i could find the words to describe said proof.


perhaps this will do in the mean time:




Mighty and erect is this Will of mine, this Pyramid
of fire whose summit is lost in Heaven. Upon it
have I burned the corpse of my desires.
Mighty and erect is this {Phi-alpha-lambda-lambda-omicron-sigma}
of my Will. The
seed thereof is That which I have borne within me
from Eternity; and it is lost within the Body of
Our Lady of the Stars.
I am not I; I am but an hollow tube to bring down
Fire from Heaven.
Mighty and marvellous is this Weakness, this
Heaven which draweth me into Her Womb, this
Dome which hideth, which absorbeth, Me.
This is The Night wherein I am lost, the Love
through which I am no longer I.
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So the only thing which a Nobody owns, to the perspective of society, is a body. And the assumption in terms is that they don't even own that.

Now even if I own what you term society, just like I own a dog house, and a bag of doggy food, and even if I own multiple bodies across history, or even if I just own the one you see before you, my interests are much closer to skin deep than yours are.

A cop knows that plenty of people out there will resort to physical force to assert their motivations. This is the bottom line of the position he or she is in, bite or be bitten.

Or so the assumption goes.

Like our dog analogy, the police perspective is that they at some level will end up with the upper hand. This is the default judgement of the average human if you closely consider it.

"Let the system continue that I may survive, more or less..."



While society may seem permanent to the average observer, it is merely because they are the end results of each other. This is why on the newcasts they show you shiny buildings. And toys and chit like the Space Shuttle. Every horse needs blinders.

The effect of meeting an actual avowed Nobody is basically ego death for your average chit-collector. The completely useful purposeful ego-death you might encounter magicians and hypnotists. the kind that taps directly into the subconscious mind.

So what kind of person breaks the fourth wall, and drags your hidden motivations into the glaring light of day.

In the light of the police officer I use as an example. What does Officer Friendly's uniform force him to do, and why is it sold to him as a source of pride?
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For the most part, is goes into the 'spiritual' (inner) side, or consciousness, etc, of the cop, and not just the exterior viewing of a cop doing or not doing such a thing.

When viewing it from exterior values, we must rely more on our own projection and perception, instead of the reality of the consciousness behind the motive.

WOOF, GRRRRRR!
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I picked a uniform example. There are others, but I find the tenuous tightrope of hypocrisy that police often walk fascinating.

The position of police officer is actually a rather unsuccessful societal experiment timewise. Soldiers throughout history filled the role just fine.

If anything I feel for how they have to do so much emotional counselling. Especially the poor guys who left the Marines etc for a cop job...
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So the only thing which a Nobody owns, to the perspective of society, is a body. And the assumption in terms is that they don't even own that.

Now even if I own what you term society, just like I own a dog house, and a bag of doggy food, and even if I own multiple bodies across history, or even if I just own the one you see before you, my interests are much closer to skin deep than yours are.

A cop knows that plenty of people out there will resort to physical force to assert their motivations. This is the bottom line of the position he or she is in, bite or be bitten.

Or so the assumption goes.

Like our dog analogy, the police perspective is that they at some level will end up with the upper hand. This is the default judgement of the average human if you closely consider it.

"Let the system continue that I may survive, more or less..."



While society may seem permanent to the average observer, it is merely because they are the end results of each other. This is why on the newcasts they show you shiny buildings. And toys and chit like the Space Shuttle. Every horse needs blinders.

The effect of meeting an actual avowed Nobody is basically ego death for your average chit-collector. The completely useful purposeful ego-death you might encounter magicians and hypnotists. the kind that taps directly into the subconscious mind.

So what kind of person breaks the fourth wall, and drags your hidden motivations into the glaring light of day.

In the light of the police officer I use as an example. What does Officer Friendly's uniform force him to do, and why is it sold to him as a source of pride?
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


Excellent reply.

As you put it perfectly, much of this is merely skin deep, superficial thought forms not thinking past the immediate action. Why does it not go deeper, because of the blockages of ego and pride, and insecurity, that the uniform perpetuates. Not only the uniform, but a system behind him that most likely will back him up. Therefor, he feels justification in doing to the dog whatever he wants.

Once ego-death is approached, it either breaks the fourth wall, or is blocked out by the ego aspects itself.

As we can see, the system reinforces the blockages, not advancement through the fourth wall. That is why ego-death is a difficult path in our current place in times.
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SO what does the position of a Nobody require of them?


It requires that they have rigid standards of behavior. They may not appear rigid at all, but integrity must be sourced form somewhere, lest a Nobody dissolve into the nothingness from which it arose.

Society produces itself, but how does a Nobody make a Nobody?

If society, likely formed by Nobodies whether once Somebodies or not, bases life on chit collecting, yet doesn't see participation in the human form and condition as merit for collecting chits, then society is a pure hypocrisy.

They only reward you for the appropriate uniforms and behaviors.

So then is the reward for Nobody the ability to know more about where society is going than it does itself? The mouse running between the legs of the giant?

If society can assimilate a Nobody, but a Somebody is someone who has been successfully assimilated, then society is the enemy of all mankind.

And a successful Nobody would destroy a hostile society by necessity. As a mother which will not survive complications of birth, so that the baby may live.

Indeed, if a society recognizes a "Nobody" among somebodies, they are already dead...
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For the most part, is goes into the 'spiritual' (inner) side, or consciousness, etc, of the cop, and not just the exterior viewing of a cop doing or not doing such a thing.

When viewing it from exterior values, we must rely more on our own projection and perception, instead of the reality of the consciousness behind the motive.

WOOF, GRRRRRR!
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I picked a uniform example. There are others, but I find the tenuous tightrope of hypocrisy that police often walk fascinating.

The position of police officer is actually a rather unsuccessful societal experiment timewise. Soldiers throughout history filled the role just fine.

If anything I feel for how they have to do so much emotional counselling. Especially the poor guys who left the Marines etc for a cop job...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


I met an ex New York detective that purchased a camp ground that is all about family and kids.

Why did he moved to nowhere Tennessee and create a place that caters to children's activities?

He was a homicide detective that dealt almost solely with crimes against children. He couldn't live with it anymore. Basically had 2 choices. End up being a basket case with alcohol addiction...or buy a campground and cater it for kids so he could find happiness when gazing at a child, instead of horror.
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One of the key words, is integrity.
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One of the key words, is integrity.
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Thread: What Ever Happened to Integrity?
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So the only thing which a Nobody owns, to the perspective of society, is a body. And the assumption in terms is that they don't even own that.

Now even if I own what you term society, just like I own a dog house, and a bag of doggy food, and even if I own multiple bodies across history, or even if I just own the one you see before you, my interests are much closer to skin deep than yours are.

A cop knows that plenty of people out there will resort to physical force to assert their motivations. This is the bottom line of the position he or she is in, bite or be bitten.

Or so the assumption goes.

Like our dog analogy, the police perspective is that they at some level will end up with the upper hand. This is the default judgement of the average human if you closely consider it.

"Let the system continue that I may survive, more or less..."



While society may seem permanent to the average observer, it is merely because they are the end results of each other. This is why on the newcasts they show you shiny buildings. And toys and chit like the Space Shuttle. Every horse needs blinders.

The effect of meeting an actual avowed Nobody is basically ego death for your average chit-collector. The completely useful purposeful ego-death you might encounter magicians and hypnotists. the kind that taps directly into the subconscious mind.

So what kind of person breaks the fourth wall, and drags your hidden motivations into the glaring light of day.

In the light of the police officer I use as an example. What does Officer Friendly's uniform force him to do, and why is it sold to him as a source of pride?
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


because we currently worship our own ideas: most without even being aware of this fact: tizz simply the staus quo.


we worship our ideas. make ourselves beholden and responsible to them and consider them the pinacle of creation. further we make every atempt to mold others into the form of our ideas and believe so strongly in them that we will kill rather than be wrong or kill for aperent wrongness.


we worship our own ideas and call them God.

in the face of transcendent experience ideas and thoughts flee, completely overwhelmed by the somatic reality of channelling truth.

God is God


and that truth will shatter many minds
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


meow
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


meow
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chuckle
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For the most part, is goes into the 'spiritual' (inner) side, or consciousness, etc, of the cop, and not just the exterior viewing of a cop doing or not doing such a thing.

When viewing it from exterior values, we must rely more on our own projection and perception, instead of the reality of the consciousness behind the motive.

WOOF, GRRRRRR!
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I picked a uniform example. There are others, but I find the tenuous tightrope of hypocrisy that police often walk fascinating.

The position of police officer is actually a rather unsuccessful societal experiment timewise. Soldiers throughout history filled the role just fine.

If anything I feel for how they have to do so much emotional counselling. Especially the poor guys who left the Marines etc for a cop job...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


"good cop - bad top"

true, it's not a dogs fault
if his handler and trainer
taught him to disrespect
the authority protected.

hf
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One of the key words, is integrity.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


But as for me, eternal I shall be, to walk internally , in my integrity...and without fear of what others think.
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


meow
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HowlingWolf

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As we can see, the system reinforces the blockages, not advancement through the fourth wall. That is why ego-death is a difficult path in our current place in times.
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You may or may not like where I take this.
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As we can see, the system reinforces the blockages, not advancement through the fourth wall. That is why ego-death is a difficult path in our current place in times.
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You may or may not like where I take this.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


We have disagreed before. I promise, I will not hold it against you, lol.

I'll be back. in a bit.
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So, Obsequious, what are you trying to say?
My thoughts are that you are using the terms Somebody and Nobody too literally, and have reasoned yourself out of possibilities that 'he' may exist.

But, I might be wrong because you seem to be going in every direction. From morals and ethical dilemmas, to circular logic.

It seems you are leaving out the spiritual aspects of reality in your dissertation.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


You are basically correct. There is a tertiary perspective that I am not addressing, merely speaking from. It is par for the course around here, rolled up newspaper time.

Woof woof.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


meow
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HowlingWolf:

Topcat:




Black&PaleHo:
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hi
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hi
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:)

hi


Lol...a baby wearing an elephant hat just strolled past me.

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Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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hi
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:)

hi


Lol...a baby wearing an elephant hat just strolled past me.

...
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Sure that's not Obsequious in disguise?!
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Lol...a baby wearing an elephant hat just strolled past me.

...
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Sure that's not Obsequious in disguise?!
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Who's to say?


I had some synch last night which was unabashedly impossible...

I am tired.



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we worship our own ideas and call them God.

in the face of transcendent experience ideas and thoughts flee, completely overwhelmed by the somatic reality of channelling truth.

God is God


and that truth will shatter many minds
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Bingo. God is God, and He dares to Not Fucking Care...
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For the most part, is goes into the 'spiritual' (inner) side, or consciousness, etc, of the cop, and not just the exterior viewing of a cop doing or not doing such a thing.

When viewing it from exterior values, we must rely more on our own projection and perception, instead of the reality of the consciousness behind the motive.

WOOF, GRRRRRR!
 Quoting: Septenary Man


I picked a uniform example. There are others, but I find the tenuous tightrope of hypocrisy that police often walk fascinating.

The position of police officer is actually a rather unsuccessful societal experiment timewise. Soldiers throughout history filled the role just fine.

If anything I feel for how they have to do so much emotional counselling. Especially the poor guys who left the Marines etc for a cop job...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


I met an ex New York detective that purchased a camp ground that is all about family and kids.

Why did he moved to nowhere Tennessee and create a place that caters to children's activities?

He was a homicide detective that dealt almost solely with crimes against children. He couldn't live with it anymore. Basically had 2 choices. End up being a basket case with alcohol addiction...or buy a campground and cater it for kids so he could find happiness when gazing at a child, instead of horror.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


The problem with being the edge of the knife, is that you are constantly covered in warm blood. If you signed up to be the handle, and you find yourself on edge...
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God is Love, and dicipline shows love.
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So, for extra chit, who can tell me what the average United States citizen, child, and police officer have in common.
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So, for extra chit, who can tell me what the average United States citizen, child, and police officer have in common.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


A navel.


Life1123581321
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So, for extra chit, who can tell me what the average United States citizen, child, and police officer have in common.
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A navel.


:Life1123581321:
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Clever.

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