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What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax

 
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12/05/2012 02:54 AM
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Just like the title show proof and no 5 hour videos please
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Skip to the end parts...

youtube.com/watch?v=KZiGgfBh2x0


krishnatube.com/video/490/A-Funny-Thing-Happened-on-the-way-t​o-the-Moon
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12/05/2012 03:18 AM
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Just like the title show proof and no 5 hour videos please
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USE YOUR BRAINS..

THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN BACK - NOT EVEN THRU 1000 MILE HIGH VAN ALLEN RADIATION BELT: NOT DOG COW TURTLE MONKEY RAT - NOTHING HAS BEEN THERE AND LIVED
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Here's food for thought, not all things true can be proven.
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Technically, NOTHING can be proven -- outside of a mathematical postulate, and that is only within the restricted environs of a specific, and limited, system.
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12/05/2012 06:24 AM
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No one has been to the moon. No one is goin g to the moon. Yall's been ripped off. Again.
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Tin foil does not shield against solar particles.
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how hilarious that you just proved you have't done any research outside of the conspiracy sites to even know what was used for shielding.
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Perspective is everything
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
But you aren't doing that. Nor is that what I complained about!
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183


Yes that is EXACTLY what I was doing: asking OP to look at the photos without a pre-formed conclusion. Look at my first post. Reading comprehension 101.

My complaint is that you can't assume you are a perfect observer. That your experience on Earth is a good guide to what things should look like on the Moon.
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True, I am not a PERFECT observer. And neither are you a PERFECT observer. What an absurd strawman argument!

Though you may have forgotten from previous discussions, I have an extensive background in photography and digital photo manipulation. I worked in a Kodak photo lab digitally restoring damaged photos, among other things. I may not be a PERFECT observer (which no one can claim to be), but I am surely a perfectly RELIABLE observer in the arena of photography.

But regardless, even for people who do not have a background in photography and photo manipulation, they are STILL perfectly adequate observers of the behavior of light and shadows upon physical objects, for the simple reason that they have existed the entirety of their lives with organs known as EYES.

All our lives, light and shadows have certain behaviors when they interact with physical objects, the fundamental laws do not change from day to day. As you are aware, this is the precise reason why 3D modeling software was able to be created.

Thus all sensible adult humans have an INNATE understanding of optics, and are capable of recognizing photo inconsistencies, even if that person does not have the precise terminology to define it.

And that's where people like you come in, full of jargon and garbage to infest an ordinary person with doubt concerning their own senses and reason.

If a person comes to their own conclusion that the moon landing really happened then that is TOTALLY FINE with me, what I'm against is people like you going into literally EVERY single moon thread, stirring up arguments and trying to actively pressure people to think a certain way.

Once again, look at my first post. I was only ANSWERING the OP's question with my personal opinion, and then simply requesting that he LOOK AT THE PHOTOS. That simple.

Once again, I'm curious why you felt the need to respond to such a simple request?
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
UNIX time will reach the value of pi on the 100th anniversary of the moon landing

UNIX time will represent the first 10 digits of pi, 3141592653 exactly on the 100th anniversary of the moon landing

moon landing hoax debunked

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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
But you aren't doing that. Nor is that what I complained about!
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Yes that is EXACTLY what I was doing: asking OP to look at the photos without a pre-formed conclusion. Look at my first post. Reading comprehension 101.
 Quoting: Urban



I comprehend fine; you fail to understand the objection.

You may intend to have no "pre-formed conclusion," but simply by being an average person with an ordinary background you already have pre-formed opinions about how things are supposed to look.

You can't help it. They are already there. And many of them are wrong.

The only way to actually perform this neutral observation we both agree is warranted, is to have sufficient education in perspective, optics, the behavior of cameras and film, etc., to be able to spot the illusions and false expectations you otherwise bring to the table without even knowing you have them.
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Thus all sensible adult humans have an INNATE understanding of optics, and are capable of recognizing photo inconsistencies, even if that person does not have the precise terminology to define it.
 Quoting: Urban



Oh, really?

The same innate understanding that, over and over in every Apollo thread I have ever witnessed, things that;

1) Shadows from a source at "infinity" must always be parallel in reference to the picture plane.

2) That it is impossible for two shadows of objects alike in height, on terrain with any relief, to be of different lengths or directions.

3) That it is impossible for the shadow of a photographer to issue from anywhere other than the base of the picture.

4) That it is possible to photograph both a daytime landscape and stars simultaneously on ordinary film.

Need I go on?

You are either making a transparent attempt to lie to everyone in this thread, or you are lying to yourself. Normal, average people are every day making good-faith assumptions and revealing expectations that are counter to reality.

You can't POSSIBLY have the background you claim and not know this.



I will caveat that, yes, there are mistakes and flaws that are entirely possible and can be spotted by anyone. You can see the shadow of a boom mic in a movie without knowing what it is or why it is there.

The thing of it is, though, is you can also see a shadow that is formed by something legitimately on set and THINK that it looks like the shadow of a microphone. The difference being largely that in the first case, someone involved with the film can speak up and say "Yup...we caught it in the camera on that shot."



And that's where people like you come in, full of jargon and garbage to infest an ordinary person with doubt concerning their own senses and reason.
 Quoting: Urban


How about, with standardized terms and references that allow anyone who actually wants to learn the truth, who actually is interested in expanding their own knowledge, to know where to go to find out more?

Or is the path of obstinate ignorance the only one you are willing to let others follow? Who appointed you gatekeeper to demand that other people refuse to go to photography sites, pages on optics, pages defining optical resolution or exposure latitudes?



If a person comes to their own conclusion that the moon landing really happened then that is TOTALLY FINE with me, what I'm against is people like you going into literally EVERY single moon thread, stirring up arguments and trying to actively pressure people to think a certain way.

Once again, look at my first post. I was only ANSWERING the OP's question with my personal opinion, and then simply requesting that he LOOK AT THE PHOTOS. That simple.

Once again, I'm curious why you felt the need to respond to such a simple request?
 Quoting: Urban


How can you look at my posts and claim I don't agree? I only ask that you reach whatever your conclusions are based on reasonable methods. Not on a basis of ignorance, intentional or otherwise. Or lies, for that matter -- which there are plenty of people willing to provide.



And, no, you didn't. Your stance was "I, the great photography expert, say the photos are obvious fakes. If you just look at them with an open eye you'll agree with me."

You want to actually be honest about this, then be specific. Find details you can defend, that can be referenced against neutral third party sources.

Go ahead. Claim stars should have been visible (lots of other people do!) I'll meet you at the film photography forum of choice to discuss it with the people there.
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
are you serious????????
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Re: What proof is there that the moon landing is a hoax
Go ahead. Claim stars should have been visible (lots of other people do!) I'll meet you at the film photography forum of choice to discuss it with the people there.
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We've already gone over this exact subject on other threads, I'm sorry if you've forgotten because you debate this subject so often that it has become YOUR LIFE.

It's obvious who the "true believer" is in this case. I revisit this subject about twice a year, you harp on about it NON-STOP on EVERY single moon thread on GLP and you will not let up until everyone believes like you do. Jesus freak, anyone?

I'm no longer interested in "debating" you. No matter how wacky one's beliefs are, they can have an internally consistent logic if that person's will to believe is strong enough. This has been proven with schizophrenics, which is why it is fruitless to try and argue with you. I am totally cool with you believing how you like, if it makes you feel proud of yourself and the good-ol' US of A then go for it.
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