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Homeland Security Raided our town

 
Anonymous Coward
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We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Give up your guns.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE...Obey.

Number TWO...Stay where we can see you.

Number THREE...blah, blah, blah.


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I smell something fishy.
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We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Maybe we do have a chance, but guns are not what will make that difference.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE thing is to avoid crime. All crime. Every sort of crime. Don't give anyone the slightest excuse to bust you for the least thing. Don't whine about injustice if you thumb your nose at the law.

Number TWO is to stay connected to your community. That can work as a team defense, or it can give you an escape route. I don't mean an alternative community, but a visible and above-the-board community like a church or country club. Be active and visible.

Number THREE is to have an alarm. Make sure that if anything happens to you, someone will know about it immediately and get you a lawyer, a news crew, or anything out there to babysit the cops.

I have a suspicion that if the man in the original post had done those things, he would have fared better.
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LOL, avoid crime. Do you even know how many STUPID laws they have on the books. Also, as if they cannot plant or fabricate evidence or charges against you.
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i curse every bullet before loading.
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it wasn't this guy, was it?
[link to www.nytimes.com]
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That fits but is from April....
 Quoting: DILKe


it's been long enough for them to do an initial investigation

come on OP, are you just trolling or are you going actually answer at least one question?
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12/01/2012 12:26 PM
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We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Give up your guns.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE...Obey.

Number TWO...Stay where we can see you.

Number THREE...blah, blah, blah.


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13825301


I smell something fishy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

One fish, two fish, red fish, blue fish! (Dr. Seuss)

Its fish all over!
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they ambushed some little old man living out in the country on a farm with no family living alone.

WOW, yes now we must obey all their decree's they pass down to us and throw our hands up and hand over all our second amendment rights, while making sure to obey the 16 amendment.
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shoot them in the head before they shoot you
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I just need to put this in context, sorry if I over step the boundaries of redundancy. So lets look at this in perspective as to what it is. An old man handicapped veteran. His property was converged on by Homeland security, FBI, NYSP Swat. Included helicopter and assault vehicles, Automatic weapons and our town was sent into a scared frenzy. No news crew, they say nothing can't comment. No comment is the response. But I know the truth. Handicapped man sitting on a gas gold mine . Retired vet vulnerable easily influenced because no children only one brother no other family. They raided his home trashed it. Took all dvd's cd'd VHS and computer. Threatened him By saying he will lose all military retirement,jail time and a 10k fine. They also confiscated guns from hunters on his property by pointing automatic weapons at them and disarming . Scared the town silly like red dawn. This is the USA today, Will it happen to you, how will that feel you downloaded jumanji and shared it that's what they are saying for this siege on our community, It is because he pirated movies. That could be you. Wow that is just a horrible turn of constitutional Failure. The government will go after you if they have a motive. Look around your home could this be you ask you friends Your dad your mother your brother
today could be they day homeland security takes it all away. They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


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They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


That's right.

Now all of you "cold dead hands" fans, see how easily your guns can be confiscated and you thrown in jail?

Now if an agent comes to your door and says "surrender all your firearms!" you say that you'll shoot them. Yeah right, good luck with that.

How about when they accuse you of child porn, or pirate DVD's, or some other stupid crime you obviously didn't commit? You'll think you are OK, wait for your lawyer, and then you go off to Dachau and they take your guns, your lands, and ultimately your life. And no one will ever know of it, while your neighbors will think you are a porn pirate.

Have fun with that firearm-based resistance. You folks need to figure out how things actually work, and deal with it from there.
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Dude you're so right we have no choose but to give it up we cant fight they are Strong I say that today we will be wiped out. We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS



People need to learn how defend themselves and their property with common items that make up uncommon deadly tools.

The US Army has a book called inmprovised munitions. It teaches how to turn plants into toxic weapons, laundry soap and gas into exlposives, shoe strings into fuse cords, land mines out of auto air bags, gunpowder out of charcoal, bombs out of paint cans, fuel air bombs out of propane, shotguns out of damn near anything...including rolled up newspaper.

Thousands of more ways to protect yourself and your family including how to stash weaons so they cant' be confiscated in the first place. etc...

Crossbows are many times more effective than guns. There are pellet guns available now that fire 22 cal. at 1500 fps.

Here's some other great reading: The Anarchists Cookbook, Poorman's Jame's Bond, US Army Improvised Munitions

CIA terrorist training hand book:

[link to www.allworldwars.com]
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I KNEW they would start to use the illegal downloading as an excuse!
Virtually EVERYONE does/has done it, so everyone is guilty and can be thrown into jail if you happen to be on their radar.
WE are ALL GUILTY! Think about it damned
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Look how ridiculous the laws are. Anyone ever use a VCR before? Isn't that copying movies LEGALLY for your own personal use. Isn't that why the VCRs were manufactured and sold in the first place? Now, with computers, you use DVR software to record things for watching at a later time. So, everyone knows that you're ALWAYS supposed to back up your computer in case of a hardware failure or such. I don't see how they can legally deny you the right to back up a movie (on disk or backup drive) in case of computer hardware failure. You're allowed to do that with everything else! Now they're saying you can back up your computer EXCEPT for any movies you might have stored on it?

The same with music. Years ago, no one ever batted an eye if you recorded music off the radio to old cassette players that used to be popular. IF it was such a crime, why then did they manufacture and sell dual cassette players whose sole purpose was for dubbing one cassette onto another?

The stupidity of it all never ceases to amaze me! How does it cost them money? I'm guessing most people go through the trouble of recording movies and things of that sort because they can't afford to go out and purchase them. I personally just wait for the movies to eventually be shown on television. So, if all pirating were to come to a screeching halt, since (in my opinion, I could be wrong) the people doing it do so because they lack the funds to purchase the item, how is it costing them any money at all? You can't FORCE people to go out and buy a movie or CD when they don't have the money to make the purchase, I don't care HOW many laws they pass.

Just my personal opinion.
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12/01/2012 01:21 PM
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I guess we could all just keep plenty of these 'get out of jail free' cards and be prepared to hand them out as needed.

There are quite a few different ones to choose from.

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It's funny because growing up we're brainwashed to believe that we should try and get rich essensially. Then later when you get to know the system you realize if you get rich you become a target to tptb. It's actually far safer to be poor in north america and the world for that matter. That way you avoid so many problems it's unbelievable! Because no one goes after the poor guy. There's nothing to go after. They're basically left alone, even avoided. So in that way you preserve your freedom.

I'm not making this up. Read "multiple streams of income" by Robert Allen. He stresses in the book that if you make money you need to do it in a way where you still look poor. If you don't they'll come after you. Better yet, don't even both with all that. It's a waste of time. If you get some vision of inspiration that you should pursue, sure go do that, but don't go out to get rich for the sake of getting rich. It's an invite for the g==v to come and ruine your life which is what they're experts at doing.

Frankly I'm glad I'm poor and living in my parents basement. I don't have a target on my back.

Ya if you live in Canada or the US this whole concept of getting rich is a lie. You get rich and then tptb basically come after you to extort the money. If you have it in the bank they'll come steal it from there. It's the most unsafe place to ever store money is in the bank. I think the safest way to live in north america is just to make a few thousand a month tops. Just enough so that you look poor, you don't raise any red flags, you don't look like a target worth going after. The alternative is you get rich and or make a lot more money and have a lot more problems including a definite visit from TPTB.

It's not the american dream. it's the american lie!
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12/01/2012 09:04 PM
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when you get to know the system you realize if you get rich you become a target to tptb.

It's an invite for the g==v to come and ruine your life which is what they're experts at doing.

 Quoting: Rtruth

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELvQ3bxPW_0
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They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


That's right.

Now all of you "cold dead hands" fans, see how easily your guns can be confiscated and you thrown in jail?

Now if an agent comes to your door and says "surrender all your firearms!" you say that you'll shoot them. Yeah right, good luck with that.

How about when they accuse you of child porn, or pirate DVD's, or some other stupid crime you obviously didn't commit? You'll think you are OK, wait for your lawyer, and then you go off to Dachau and they take your guns, your lands, and ultimately your life. And no one will ever know of it, while your neighbors will think you are a porn pirate.

Have fun with that firearm-based resistance. You folks need to figure out how things actually work, and deal with it from there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13825301

Dude you're so right we have no choose but to give it up we cant fight they are Strong I say that today we will be wiped out. We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS



People need to learn how defend themselves and their property with common items that make up uncommon deadly tools.

The US Army has a book called inmprovised munitions. It teaches how to turn plants into toxic weapons, laundry soap and gas into exlposives, shoe strings into fuse cords, land mines out of auto air bags, gunpowder out of charcoal, bombs out of paint cans, fuel air bombs out of propane, shotguns out of damn near anything...including rolled up newspaper.

Thousands of more ways to protect yourself and your family including how to stash weaons so they cant' be confiscated in the first place. etc...

Crossbows are many times more effective than guns. There are pellet guns available now that fire 22 cal. at 1500 fps.

Here's some other great reading: The Anarchists Cookbook, Poorman's Jame's Bond, US Army Improvised Munitions

CIA terrorist training hand book:

[link to www.allworldwars.com]

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HJTRAS (OP)

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12/02/2012 10:25 AM
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Just give you an update. No formal charges have been filed. WENY news, when questioned only says that the NYS troopers said homeland security was called. The County sheriffs office says they have no information about it. I would give the gentleman's name but he has not given me permission to do so.
also I don't think I ever implied that cowering under the strong arm of the government was the plan if there is a plan. Just that after witnessing the firepower they have to enforce
their will. Blind faith in resistance will only get you killed or arrested.
RAS

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