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Laura Bow

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I just need to put this in context, sorry if I over step the boundaries of redundancy. So lets look at this in perspective as to what it is. An old man handicapped veteran. His property was converged on by Homeland security, FBI, NYSP Swat. Included helicopter and assault vehicles, Automatic weapons and our town was sent into a scared frenzy. No news crew, they say nothing can't comment. No comment is the response. But I know the truth. Handicapped man sitting on a gas gold mine . Retired vet vulnerable easily influenced because no children only one brother no other family. They raided his home trashed it. Took all dvd's cd'd VHS and computer. Threatened him By saying he will lose all military retirement,jail time and a 10k fine. They also confiscated guns from hunters on his property by pointing automatic weapons at them and disarming . Scared the town silly like red dawn. This is the USA today, Will it happen to you, how will that feel you downloaded jumanji and shared it that's what they are saying for this siege on our community, It is because he pirated movies. That could be you. Wow that is just a horrible turn of constitutional Failure. The government will go after you if they have a motive. Look around your home could this be you ask you friends Your dad your mother your brother
today could be they day homeland security takes it all away. They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Do you know what they claimed their motivation was for coming onto the property?
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Nothing to see here, citizens.

Move along now.

ouncsam

Move along. NOW.
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the number one rule is NEVER go on the internet. The internet is just here to see what you are thinking.

Even the anti-spam captcha tests, are not about spam, they are actually rohrshack intelligence tests. They want to know how smart you are, and thus how dangerous you might be.
You may have noticed Yahoo just constantly gives you the captcha tests now, all the time, no matter what you enter.

They are trying to see how smart you are, if you are too smart, they will be watching you.

If you ever took the IQ tests in high school, it was just a bunch of consecutive boxes, and you figure out the pattern. The captcha tests are the same thing, IQ tests.
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yeah but here we are and who knows what powers we have with our words, spilling over into each others cups and supporting networks and pathways unseen and unbreakable.

Thank you, ironically, your statement is the most amazing thing I have ever read (on the internet).




this thread is bs i have a feeling.



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Stupid thread is stupid.
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it wasn't this guy, was it?
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Was it this guy? Cool old man rockon
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I have a lot of gun at home that they can't find. It not in the house nor by land. Never trust the government. I have ex-marine friend and he told me he dont use any technology like computer, cell phone, all electronic crap. He drive antique car. He said government is watching everyone who use technology even the car with computer in it. That why I am using my other friend computer here to tell you this. STAY OFF ALL TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT! YOU ALL BEEN SPY BY IT! That what happen to your story OP.
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We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Maybe we do have a chance, but guns are not what will make that difference.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE thing is to avoid crime. All crime. Every sort of crime. Don't give anyone the slightest excuse to bust you for the least thing. Don't whine about injustice if you thumb your nose at the law.

Number TWO is to stay connected to your community. That can work as a team defense, or it can give you an escape route. I don't mean an alternative community, but a visible and above-the-board community like a church or country club. Be active and visible.

Number THREE is to have an alarm. Make sure that if anything happens to you, someone will know about it immediately and get you a lawyer, a news crew, or anything out there to babysit the cops.

I have a suspicion that if the man in the original post had done those things, he would have fared better.
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Back in ussr.... kgb had this saying : give us a man....we already have a folder . No matter how hard you try not to commit crime.....more likely you will violate some...code...or regulation.......perhaps to much carbon dioxide exhaling by your person.
ONE thing they cant control 100% is your choice to give up your life....
Because it is truly under your ownership. Sure they use tactics like fear...any kind of fear to keep you..... compliant...BUT AT SOME POINT THERE COMES A MOMENT WHEN MAN REALIZES HE GOT NOTHING TO LOOSE........and right at that moment they release pressure by some kind of pandemic, starvation, "patriotic war", genocide....... herd is culled......everything back to "normal".
You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. Sherman
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They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
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That's right.

Now all of you "cold dead hands" fans, see how easily your guns can be confiscated and you thrown in jail?

Now if an agent comes to your door and says "surrender all your firearms!" you say that you'll shoot them. Yeah right, good luck with that.

How about when they accuse you of child porn, or pirate DVD's, or some other stupid crime you obviously didn't commit? You'll think you are OK, wait for your lawyer, and then you go off to Dachau and they take your guns, your lands, and ultimately your life. And no one will ever know of it, while your neighbors will think you are a porn pirate.

Have fun with that firearm-based resistance. You folks need to figure out how things actually work, and deal with it from there.
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STFU Barry
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They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
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That's right.

Now all of you "cold dead hands" fans, see how easily your guns can be confiscated and you thrown in jail?

Now if an agent comes to your door and says "surrender all your firearms!" you say that you'll shoot them. Yeah right, good luck with that.

How about when they accuse you of child porn, or pirate DVD's, or some other stupid crime you obviously didn't commit? You'll think you are OK, wait for your lawyer, and then you go off to Dachau and they take your guns, your lands, and ultimately your life. And no one will ever know of it, while your neighbors will think you are a porn pirate.

Have fun with that firearm-based resistance. You folks need to figure out how things actually work, and deal with it from there.
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Fucking pussy.
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what will ultimately happen (in my humble opinion), is scenerios JUST like THIS stated. While saying stay under the radar (don't commit STUPID ASS CRIMES like pirating films or cd's, which gives the government complete excuse to act thusly)(and yes this was a show for everyone, to warn you we are now just short of a police state, and please spread it around on the internet because we want citizans scared and humbled), they have been and are currently working on making laws via Obama's executive orders that will make every citizan of this country a criminal in the eyes of the government.

thusly, giving excuse for raids on anyone's house/apartment and taking what they want from you.

you think they wouldn't dig up the 'don't horde food' laws to come into your house and take guns and food from you?

you think they wouldn't use an internet statement you have made in the past (example: get rid of the Pres, get rid of the congress etc) to title you as a possible terrorist or danger to community or danger to self, to raid your house and take what you have and put you in handcuffs.

maybe a lawyer could get you out, but damage was done, guns confiscated, neighbors marginalized and afraid, your family damaged, furious, scared whatever...

you don't think they will start doing this everywhere? They have four years now to start doing this. Watch for it, it'll be happening in every state. I encourage you to watch your local news. Not only will private citizans who are a threat to their despotism will be targeted, but business's that encourage constitituionalism in community activites.

Internet will be corraled, and owned. You will pay taxes to get on it, to buy and sell on it, and it will no longer be free exchange of ideea's. They will have you and what you say on log and you will be on the books, for possible rousing and invading.

Our money and banking systems, all will be on-line, debit cards will be the way of the future. Money is dirty and you can't follow it, they can't have that.

Guns, oh they'll go after them, and many will succumb to giving them over, either for food, to alievate some kind of debt, or to show some kind of alligiance to the ever growing invading spirit of communal government. The margins will be widened, you'll be one of a few who keeps their guns, and if you have papers with your township about ownership, they have you in their sights.

Starve the nation, people will do anything not to starve.
Drug the nation, people will do anything to have their drugs legal or illegal.

Make as many people dependent on government dole, being done dailey, as business's close because of government interference with fair and equal trade laws, Obamacare that no one can afford, and less then 30 day work weeks, more and more people will need the government cheese (literallY) to live on. Who is going to fight against the hand that feeds your babies and dear grandmama?

Home land security, the non military armed force that Obama promised. The new homeland force that you sell your soul to be part of.

Yes I happen to be Christian, I happen to believe this is the end times, and I happen to believe Christians and churches will be victimized, brutalized, demoralized, and inprisoned near the end. While Islam is upheld, glorified and honored, Christianity and its followers will be called evil, haters and the enemy.

People will kill us, and think they are doing their country a favor.

It's coming.

Now your God.
Laura Bow

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We have no chance.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Maybe we do have a chance, but guns are not what will make that difference.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE thing is to avoid crime. All crime. Every sort of crime. Don't give anyone the slightest excuse to bust you for the least thing. Don't whine about injustice if you thumb your nose at the law.

Number TWO is to stay connected to your community. That can work as a team defense, or it can give you an escape route. I don't mean an alternative community, but a visible and above-the-board community like a church or country club. Be active and visible.

Number THREE is to have an alarm. Make sure that if anything happens to you, someone will know about it immediately and get you a lawyer, a news crew, or anything out there to babysit the cops.

I have a suspicion that if the man in the original post had done those things, he would have fared better.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13825301


Back in ussr.... kgb had this saying : give us a man....we already have a folder . No matter how hard you try not to commit crime.....more likely you will violate some...code...or regulation.......perhaps to much carbon dioxide exhaling by your person.
ONE thing they cant control 100% is your choice to give up your life....
Because it is truly under your ownership. Sure they use tactics like fear...any kind of fear to keep you..... compliant...BUT AT SOME POINT THERE COMES A MOMENT WHEN MAN REALIZES HE GOT NOTHING TO LOOSE........and right at that moment they release pressure by some kind of pandemic, starvation, "patriotic war", genocide....... herd is culled......everything back to "normal".
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Sounds like what I had posted earlier about possibly breaking up to 100 laws a day by just EXISTING.
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Jesus.

GLP ate this up.

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I just need to put this in context, sorry if I over step the boundaries of redundancy. So lets look at this in perspective as to what it is. An old man handicapped veteran. His property was converged on by Homeland security, FBI, NYSP Swat. Included helicopter and assault vehicles, Automatic weapons and our town was sent into a scared frenzy. No news crew, they say nothing can't comment. No comment is the response. But I know the truth. Handicapped man sitting on a gas gold mine . Retired vet vulnerable easily influenced because no children only one brother no other family. They raided his home trashed it. Took all dvd's cd'd VHS and computer. Threatened him By saying he will lose all military retirement,jail time and a 10k fine. They also confiscated guns from hunters on his property by pointing automatic weapons at them and disarming . Scared the town silly like red dawn. This is the USA today, Will it happen to you, how will that feel you downloaded jumanji and shared it that's what they are saying for this siege on our community, It is because he pirated movies. That could be you. Wow that is just a horrible turn of constitutional Failure. The government will go after you if they have a motive. Look around your home could this be you ask you friends Your dad your mother your brother
today could be they day homeland security takes it all away. They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


Do you know what they claimed their motivation was for coming onto the property?
 Quoting: Laura Bow


He or someone using his Internet security illegally downloaded Jumani (movie)
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I KNEW they would start to use the illegal downloading as an excuse!
Virtually EVERYONE does/has done it, so everyone is guilty and can be thrown into jail if you happen to be on their radar.
WE are ALL GUILTY! Think about it damned
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I just need to put this in context, sorry if I over step the boundaries of redundancy. So lets look at this in perspective as to what it is. An old man handicapped veteran. His property was converged on by Homeland security, FBI, NYSP Swat. Included helicopter and assault vehicles, Automatic weapons and our town was sent into a scared frenzy. No news crew, they say nothing can't comment. No comment is the response. But I know the truth. Handicapped man sitting on a gas gold mine . Retired vet vulnerable easily influenced because no children only one brother no other family. They raided his home trashed it. Took all dvd's cd'd VHS and computer. Threatened him By saying he will lose all military retirement,jail time and a 10k fine. They also confiscated guns from hunters on his property by pointing automatic weapons at them and disarming . Scared the town silly like red dawn. This is the USA today, Will it happen to you, how will that feel you downloaded jumanji and shared it that's what they are saying for this siege on our community, It is because he pirated movies. That could be you. Wow that is just a horrible turn of constitutional Failure. The government will go after you if they have a motive. Look around your home could this be you ask you friends Your dad your mother your brother
today could be they day homeland security takes it all away. They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


They may think they have the "ultimate authority", but in the end, they will discover who has the Highest Authority, and NO, this Power is not "we, the people"!
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it wasn't this guy, was it?
[link to www.nytimes.com]
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That fits but is from April....
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He was pirating copies of movies and reselling them. That's not the half of it.

Spies sometimes encrypt messages behind digital engravings of movies, just like they do with photos on the internet. He could have been passing valuable military secrets to an enemy of the US government.

Don't take your veterans at face value. They don't even trust one another, why would you believe the military is altruistic?

He might have been sitting around VHS tapes but hosting more trouble, maybe having a secret boarder, a fugitive, recording illegal content disguised as regular movies. Why do people think old men are feeble? Too many veterans I've seen taking advantage of their own systems, turning into welfare soldiers. I have sympathy for their hard work, but not for the outlaws who still want honors when they left their honor behind somewhere.

All the times I have seen DHS actually going after these guys, they are the one that has the passport to more state secrets, and they sell a few or give a few away as their pocket sees fit. Or they are completely phony, and the real veteran is having his ID taken somewhere.
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He was pirating copies of movies and reselling them. That's not the half of it.

Spies sometimes encrypt messages behind digital engravings of movies, just like they do with photos on the internet. He could have been passing valuable military secrets to an enemy of the US government.

Don't take your veterans at face value. They don't even trust one another, why would you believe the military is altruistic?

He might have been sitting around VHS tapes but hosting more trouble, maybe having a secret boarder, a fugitive, recording illegal content disguised as regular movies. Why do people think old men are feeble? Too many veterans I've seen taking advantage of their own systems, turning into welfare soldiers. I have sympathy for their hard work, but not for the outlaws who still want honors when they left their honor behind somewhere.

All the times I have seen DHS actually going after these guys, they are the one that has the passport to more state secrets, and they sell a few or give a few away as their pocket sees fit. Or they are completely phony, and the real veteran is having his ID taken somewhere.
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Shut up dick head!
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no one gets that until you have the ak pointed in your face then what. WE ARE FUCKED
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No US military or police departments use AK's. You are stupid.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


must be stupid on a technicality as much as 95% of our country. dude your a idiot that IT was not an AK in your face SO WHAT stupid who THE FUCK CARES. WHAT AUTO WAS THEN EXPERT AND THE AGAIN WHO THE FUCK CARERS. iT WAS IN YOUR FACE.


Sorry, had to comment on this particular post, what could this joker possibly be talking about? AK's have hardly any aim-accuracy.....power? Yes, but our Gov't rules when it comes to artillery...we use ONLY the BEST.

This poster is dillusional....
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Linky?
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I have a lot of gun at home that they can't find. It not in the house nor by land. Never trust the government. I have ex-marine friend and he told me he dont use any technology like computer, cell phone, all electronic crap. He drive antique car. He said government is watching everyone who use technology even the car with computer in it. That why I am using my other friend computer here to tell you this. STAY OFF ALL TECHNOLOGY EQUIPMENT! YOU ALL BEEN SPY BY IT! That what happen to your story OP.
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:bumps:
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They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
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That's right.

Now all of you "cold dead hands" fans, see how easily your guns can be confiscated and you thrown in jail?

Now if an agent comes to your door and says "surrender all your firearms!" you say that you'll shoot them. Yeah right, good luck with that.

How about when they accuse you of child porn, or pirate DVD's, or some other stupid crime you obviously didn't commit? You'll think you are OK, wait for your lawyer, and then you go off to Dachau and they take your guns, your lands, and ultimately your life. And no one will ever know of it, while your neighbors will think you are a porn pirate.

Have fun with that firearm-based resistance. You folks need to figure out how things actually work, and deal with it from there.
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OK Mr. "I am so informed and above the fray", what's your wise answer?
Tell me what this tastes like...
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the number one rule is NEVER go on the internet. The internet is just here to see what you are thinking.

Even the anti-spam captcha tests, are not about spam, they are actually rohrshack intelligence tests. They want to know how smart you are, and thus how dangerous you might be.
You may have noticed Yahoo just constantly gives you the captcha tests now, all the time, no matter what you enter.

They are trying to see how smart you are, if you are too smart, they will be watching you.

If you ever took the IQ tests in high school, it was just a bunch of consecutive boxes, and you figure out the pattern. The captcha tests are the same thing, IQ tests.
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We have no chance.
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Maybe we do have a chance, but guns are not what will make that difference.

What will make a difference?

Number ONE thing is to avoid crime. All crime. Every sort of crime. Don't give anyone the slightest excuse to bust you for the least thing. Don't whine about injustice if you thumb your nose at the law.

Number TWO is to stay connected to your community. That can work as a team defense, or it can give you an escape route. I don't mean an alternative community, but a visible and above-the-board community like a church or country club. Be active and visible.

Number THREE is to have an alarm. Make sure that if anything happens to you, someone will know about it immediately and get you a lawyer, a news crew, or anything out there to babysit the cops.

I have a suspicion that if the man in the original post had done those things, he would have fared better.
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i donot have a "suspicion", but a truth in that if the man had done what Jesus tried to teach us in the first place, to resound truth (we learn by teaching), itwouldnothave happened. And/or the adage: "Use it or lose it" certainly applies to him.

Itwas no ones fault but his own that the only people profiting from his windfall were our enslavers, the thieving, lying, murderous monsters (John 8:44), that roam among us 24/7/365.

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I just need to put this in context, sorry if I over step the boundaries of redundancy. So lets look at this in perspective as to what it is. An old man handicapped veteran. His property was converged on by Homeland security, FBI, NYSP Swat. Included helicopter and assault vehicles, Automatic weapons and our town was sent into a scared frenzy. No news crew, they say nothing can't comment. No comment is the response. But I know the truth. Handicapped man sitting on a gas gold mine . Retired vet vulnerable easily influenced because no children only one brother no other family. They raided his home trashed it. Took all dvd's cd'd VHS and computer. Threatened him By saying he will lose all military retirement,jail time and a 10k fine. They also confiscated guns from hunters on his property by pointing automatic weapons at them and disarming . Scared the town silly like red dawn. This is the USA today, Will it happen to you, how will that feel you downloaded jumanji and shared it that's what they are saying for this siege on our community, It is because he pirated movies. That could be you. Wow that is just a horrible turn of constitutional Failure. The government will go after you if they have a motive. Look around your home could this be you ask you friends Your dad your mother your brother
today could be they day homeland security takes it all away. They have ultimate authority and if you have something they want they will take it.
 Quoting: HJTRAS


I am not saying this as a slight on Americans because the same applies to Canadians and to me.

That happened because you, him, we, all of us allowed it to. We allowed them to become what they are. We either don't care, too involved with other matters, or think that someone will fix things right for us.

It is over. They won. We lost. Fight or die is now your only choice!
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I Call shennanigans.

OP please provide some additional evidence besides your heresay. Or did I miss something?






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Even if this is total fabrication (which I tend to think it is not) it is most certainly plausible. It could happen.

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it wasn't this guy, was it?
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If this is the man, then everyone who received and watched one of his copied movies should be arrested and thrown in jail, too...then maybe someone would see how utterly ridiculous this is...
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it wasn't this guy, was it?
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If this is the man, then everyone who received and watched one of his copied movies should be arrested and thrown in jail, too...then maybe someone would see how utterly ridiculous this is...
 Quoting: StormeyGoddess


Yes, copyright piracy is indeed ridiculous. The industry should have kept up with the times and been ahead of this whole digital thing. Now they are doomed to history.

But back to the story. If HLS shows up on your doorstep, you cooperate. You obviously already messed up big time to bring em to your door. May as well enjoy the ride and wait for them to leave (or for you to be released) then go get help.





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