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Amazing chemtrail video shot from Fed Ex plane

 
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90% of flight is computer automated.... Been to the flight simulators at fedex.... Remote ctrol planes exisit. And it aint hard. Pilot is there for take of and landing and then.hes there for emergencies. Im hinting at the early thread. Also, you have to consider. .. Fedex is private... And not.a military.
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Its like saying an h2 is the same as a humvee.
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What are you doing on GLP, if you don't allow people to believe what they are seeing? Why fight about that?

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Don't "allow"? How am I not allowing anything? Once again, as is the basis for most of the "woo" stuff, you falsely equate "seeing" with "understanding".

So because I see that plane, and cannot explain it- it must not exist? Pisspoor logic right there.
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What? When did I say the trails behind aircraft don't exist?

You fail to explain how this plane is emitting a contrail vs a liquid chemtrail. You are just trying to stir shit up.
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No, YOU fail to explain how an aircraft can contain the amount of liquid required to do what you claim they are doing.
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You were making fun of people who believe chemtrails because they can see them.
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Yes, because "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING!

You make fun like you are 12 yrs old- because I QUESTION the unknown liquid coming off an airplane.
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No, you THINK you "SEE" liquid being "sprayed". What you should question is what you THINK you "SEE".

I can see it- so what the hell do you want me to do with that visual experience?
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I want you to understand that "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING.

If you see something, you may not understand it- but you sure as hell can believe your own eyes and QUESTION AUTHORITY.
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No, you CAN'T "believe your own eyes" if you don't UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU ARE "seeing".

The video SHOWS the liquid coming off the plane, I don't have to prove a damn thing- it is you who cannot prove it is a contrail.
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No, the vid shows something you THINK is liquid being sprayed from tanks on an aircraft, because it LOOKS sorta like that to you. Why can't it be condensate from the engine exhaust?
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Why can't it be swamp gas?!!???
Wow- you are clinging to a dumb argument here- trying to tell me I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.

Because you see something different, you want me to believe what YOU see.

I see and UNDERSTAND liquid. Compare it to other shots, compare it to contrail clouds- the substance is so heavy it falls and doesn't even trail behind the damn plane.
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You are unable and refuse to prove they can't cover 300 miles. Thank you for that revelation.
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By the way, I have seen that calculation posted before. As with all the thorough debunking of "chemtrails" with solid science, it was roundly ignored.
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So where is it posted then? Did you determine how much comes out, considering how fast the plane is going over the desired area?
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I have no idea where that was posted now- on one of the old chemtrail threads. It doesn't MATTER how fast it comes out! A certain density of particulate matter is required to obscure a certain area of sky. The amount of material containable in a hundred aircraft is woefully inadequate to cover the areas of sky they claim are being obscured by "spraying".
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Don't "allow"? How am I not allowing anything? Once again, as is the basis for most of the "woo" stuff, you falsely equate "seeing" with "understanding".

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What? When did I say the trails behind aircraft don't exist?

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No, YOU fail to explain how an aircraft can contain the amount of liquid required to do what you claim they are doing.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You were making fun of people who believe chemtrails because they can see them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Yes, because "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING!

You make fun like you are 12 yrs old- because I QUESTION the unknown liquid coming off an airplane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


No, you THINK you "SEE" liquid being "sprayed". What you should question is what you THINK you "SEE".

I can see it- so what the hell do you want me to do with that visual experience?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


I want you to understand that "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING.

If you see something, you may not understand it- but you sure as hell can believe your own eyes and QUESTION AUTHORITY.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


No, you CAN'T "believe your own eyes" if you don't UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU ARE "seeing".

The video SHOWS the liquid coming off the plane, I don't have to prove a damn thing- it is you who cannot prove it is a contrail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


No, the vid shows something you THINK is liquid being sprayed from tanks on an aircraft, because it LOOKS sorta like that to you. Why can't it be condensate from the engine exhaust?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Why can't it be swamp gas?!!???
Wow- you are clinging to a dumb argument here- trying to tell me I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.
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Yes. I'm trying to tell you that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT... just like the people who say they "see" the sun/moon in the wrong place in the sky DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT!!

Because you see something different, you want me to believe what YOU see.
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No, I wan't you to begin to understand the SCIENCE behind contrails and stop GUESSING about what you see in the sky. contrailscience.com

I see and UNDERSTAND liquid. Compare it to other shots, compare it to contrail clouds- the substance is so heavy it falls and doesn't even trail behind the damn plane.
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It doesn't trail behind the plane? Sure it does. That plane is probably climbing, making it LOOK like the trail is dropping. Don't you GET that they intentionally choose misleading clips for those vids? The people who push that stuff are not honest. It is as simple as that.
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You are unable and refuse to prove they can't cover 300 miles. Thank you for that revelation.
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By the way, I have seen that calculation posted before. As with all the thorough debunking of "chemtrails" with solid science, it was roundly ignored.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


So where is it posted then? Did you determine how much comes out, considering how fast the plane is going over the desired area?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


I have no idea where that was posted now- on one of the old chemtrail threads. It doesn't MATTER how fast it comes out! A certain density of particulate matter is required to obscure a certain area of sky. The amount of material containable in a hundred aircraft is woefully inadequate to cover the areas of sky they claim are being obscured by "spraying".
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How much sky are you talking about? You must be referring to the missing thread, that you apparently have fought on with other people. Do you do this much?

It does matter how fast, and how much. If it is an aerosol type of spraying you would not need as much substance as you are thinking.
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You were making fun of people who believe chemtrails because they can see them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Yes, because "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING!

You make fun like you are 12 yrs old- because I QUESTION the unknown liquid coming off an airplane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


No, you THINK you "SEE" liquid being "sprayed". What you should question is what you THINK you "SEE".


I can see it- so what the hell do you want me to do with that visual experience?


I want you to underst
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If you see somethi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
may not understand it- but you sure as hell can believe your own eyes and QUESTION AUTHORI
you don't UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU ARE "seeing".


The video SHOWS the liquid coming off the plane, I don't have to prove a damn thing- it is you who cannot prove
liquid being sprayed from tanks on an aircraft, because it LOOKS sorta like that to you. Why can't it be condensate from the engin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
t?


Why can't it be swamp gas?!!???
Wow- you are clinging to a dumb argument here- trying to tell me I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.


Yes.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200
trying to tell you that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT... just like the people who say they "see" the sun/moon in the wrong place in the sk
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39;T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT!!


Because you see something different, you want me to believe what YOU see.


No, I wan't you to begi
t you see in the sky. contrailscience.com


I see and UNDERSTAND liquid. Compare it to other shots, compare it to contrail clouds- the substance is so heavy it
doesn't trail behind the plane? Sure it does. That plane is probably climbing, making it LOOK like the trail is dropping. Don't you GET that they intentionally cho
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
eading clips for those vids? The people who push that stuff are not honest. It is as simple as that.


I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
 Quoting: Menow 18943200
otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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You mean it LOOKS like it might be liquid. During an eclipse, it "LOOKS" like the sun has a hole in it.

I do not give up and say "yup its just a contrail"- I have the right to question it... got it?
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Question away, but why don't you question the basic premises of "chemtrails" too?

You would have to know how much is being released, how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model.
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:facepalm: The same tanks I think?? Aircraft cannot contain more volume than their own interiors, or carry more than their design payload capacity, hmm? Those are KNOWN aircraft, hmm? There is no MAGIC involved, hmm?

You are unable and refuse to prove they can't cover 300 miles. Thank you for that revelation.
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Obtuse much?
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I know liquid when I see it vs a contrail cloud, just like I know an eclipse when I see it... nice try though.


REally? How do you KNOW an eclipse is not a temporary hole in the sun? Please be specific.

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.
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The "damning evidence" against chemtrails has been presented for years- all ignored. Most of it has to do with the dismal lack of understanding of contrail science by chemmies.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.
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You said this. QUOTE: "...how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model."

You seem to completely miss the point that there is no type of tank or model of aircraft which could contain the volume of material needed to do what chemmies think is resulting in and from "chemtrails". The only option left for it to be true is MAGIC!
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
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You were making fun of people who believe chemtrails because they can see them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Yes, because "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING!

You make fun like you are 12 yrs old- because I QUESTION the unknown liquid coming off an airplane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


No, you THINK you "SEE" liquid being "sprayed". What you should question is what you THINK you "SEE".


I can see it- so what the hell do you want me to do with that visual experience?


I want you to underst
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If you see somethi
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
may not understand it- but you sure as hell can believe your own eyes and QUESTION AUTHORI
you don't UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU ARE "seeing".


The video SHOWS the liquid coming off the plane, I don't have to prove a damn thing- it is you who cannot prove
liquid being sprayed from tanks on an aircraft, because it LOOKS sorta like that to you. Why can't it be condensate from the engin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
t?


Why can't it be swamp gas?!!???
Wow- you are clinging to a dumb argument here- trying to tell me I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.


Yes.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200
trying to tell you that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT... just like the people who say they "see" the sun/moon in the wrong place in the sk
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
39;T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT!!


Because you see something different, you want me to believe what YOU see.


No, I wan't you to begi
t you see in the sky. contrailscience.com


I see and UNDERSTAND liquid. Compare it to other shots, compare it to contrail clouds- the substance is so heavy it
doesn't trail behind the plane? Sure it does. That plane is probably climbing, making it LOOK like the trail is dropping. Don't you GET that they intentionally cho
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099
eading clips for those vids? The people who push that stuff are not honest. It is as simple as that.



I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't always question p
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thout a motive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

I did a quick search
There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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*without a motive*
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
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Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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Do people who say the sun/moon are in the wrong place understand what they see? Do people who see "two suns" in images from cheap cameras understand what they see?
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
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Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17777180


Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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Grasping? I have no need for that. I'm just talking about what goes on up there. Believe me, i know pollution when i see it. Anyways, i was speaking of the physics behind "contrails"
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You mean it LOOKS like it might be liquid. During an eclipse, it "LOOKS" like the sun has a hole in it.

I do not give up and say "yup its just a contrail"- I have the right to question it... got it?
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Question away, but why don't you question the basic premises of "chemtrails" too?

You would have to know how much is being released, how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


:facepalm: The same tanks I think?? Aircraft cannot contain more volume than their own interiors, or carry more than their design payload capacity, hmm? Those are KNOWN aircraft, hmm? There is no MAGIC involved, hmm?

You are unable and refuse to prove they can't cover 300 miles. Thank you for that revelation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Obtuse much?
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I know liquid when I see it vs a contrail cloud, just like I know an eclipse when I see it... nice try though.
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REally? How do you KNOW an eclipse is not a temporary hole in the sun? Please be specific.

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.
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The "damning evidence" against chemtrails has been presented for years- all ignored. Most of it has to do with the dismal lack of understanding of contrail science by chemmies.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.
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You said this. QUOTE: "...how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model."

You seem to completely miss the point that there is no type of tank or model of aircraft which could contain the volume of material needed to do what chemmies think is resulting in and from "chemtrails". The only option left for it to be true is MAGIC!


You do this all the time don't you?
You even have a word "Chemmies"

Your determination to discredit this theory is interesting to me. It makes the subject matter that much more interesting, because if it was as ridiculous a theory as you claim- there would be no need to fight with people about it on the internet... now would there?

You say "there is no tank or model of aircraft that could contain the volume of material needed.."

How do you know that? They say it takes many planes, I don't know how much they have told you. You must do this a lot.

I have seen an entire eclipse through a high powered telescope, so no you could not convince me it is a hole. Simple as that.
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By the way, I have seen that calculation posted before. As with all the thorough debunking of "chemtrails" with solid science, it was roundly ignored.
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So where is it posted then? Did you determine how much comes out, considering how fast the plane is going over the desired area?
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I have no idea where that was posted now- on one of the old chemtrail threads. It doesn't MATTER how fast it comes out! A certain density of particulate matter is required to obscure a certain area of sky. The amount of material containable in a hundred aircraft is woefully inadequate to cover the areas of sky they claim are being obscured by "spraying".
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


How much sky are you talking about? You must be referring to the missing thread, that you apparently have fought on with other people. Do you do this much?

It does matter how fast, and how much. If it is an aerosol type of spraying you would not need as much substance as you are thinking.
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I didn't say that how MUCH doesn't matter. Of COURSE it does! That is the POINT! You just don't get it. "Chemmies" point at CLOUDS covering major portions of the sky and say it is material which originated inside aircraft. It simply isn't possible.

If YOU can do the calcs which prove a single aircraft can contain enough "spray" to obscure 300 sq miles of sky, then by all means... GO FOR IT! You will be FAMOUS and the HERO of the chemtrail movement!
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Do people who say the sun/moon are in the wrong place understand what they see? Do people who see "two suns" in images from cheap cameras understand what they see?
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I do not consider it the same issue, nice try.

You were trying to tell me I don't know liquid when I see it.
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My simple question is why is there a group of people dedicated with investing a great deal of energy to place posts to argue that chem trails "definitely do not exist".

The existence of these shills and their passion speaks volumes.
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If your chemtrails are true and on a massive scale as claimed,it should be easy to produce evidence.

There should be chemtrail planes every where.

People filling the planes with chemicals.

There should be wharehouses with repair parts,repair tecnicians working on the spray rigs.

So Produce some evidence..
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My statement deals with the fact that a group of you shills are so emphatic that chem trails do not exist, not that I am so sure that they do exist. Your unreasonable and pompous position, implies that you can prove a negative, and your position is some evidence in itself.

As for my humble and ignorant self, I have the following general evidence.

1) I have read about chemtrail tests and propositions in science journals regularly and many decades before the internet became popular. Aerial weather modification has been going on for decades out in the open. Why should it now be secret with a whole psyops in place to cover previous history?

2) I have seen US patents and other detailed descriptions of these methods by the US government themselves.

3) For the last decade I have lived in central Mexico, and have generally not seen indications of chemtrail activity, although at times I have seen skies that might have been due to such activity from a distance.

4) As a free flight pilot for 25 years I observe the sky more than most, and know about both common condensation trails and how they occur, and denser trails when other things are sprayed or added to the fuel mixture.

5) Some of the videos one sees are definitely of non fuel additives being sprayed, and at times turned on and off.

6) I have personal friends who are commercial pilots and they confirm seeing chem-trails being sprayed.

7) The existence of people like you which exclaim with such certainty that chem trails cannot exist, against all reason. If you were not a paid shill, but were honest, you would not be so resolute in your opinion, and your level of internet activity.

That is my short list of reasons to suggest that chem-trails might commonly be sprayed over certain populations.

I see it as a definite possibility, which is a reasonable position, and the posture of the shills is sort of like the icing on the cake.

Reality Consensus Control is paramount to TPTB.
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
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Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17777180


Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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Grasping? I have no need for that. I'm just talking about what goes on up there. Believe me, i know pollution when i see it. Anyways, i was speaking of the physics behind "contrails"
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Well, contrails could be considered to be a form of "pollution", but there is a difference between the residuals left by jet fuel and the clouds triggered by aviation.
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So where is it posted then? Did you determine how much comes out, considering how fast the plane is going over the desired area?
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I have no idea where that was posted now- on one of the old chemtrail threads. It doesn't MATTER how fast it comes out! A certain density of particulate matter is required to obscure a certain area of sky. The amount of material containable in a hundred aircraft is woefully inadequate to cover the areas of sky they claim are being obscured by "spraying".
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How much sky are you talking about? You must be referring to the missing thread, that you apparently have fought on with other people. Do you do this much?

It does matter how fast, and how much. If it is an aerosol type of spraying you would not need as much substance as you are thinking.
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I didn't say that how MUCH doesn't matter. Of COURSE it does! That is the POINT! You just don't get it. "Chemmies" point at CLOUDS covering major portions of the sky and say it is material which originated inside aircraft. It simply isn't possible.

If YOU can do the calcs which prove a single aircraft can contain enough "spray" to obscure 300 sq miles of sky, then by all means... GO FOR IT! You will be FAMOUS and the HERO of the chemtrail movement!
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Where do you come from and why do you get so caught up in this subject?

I think it is possible, and I believe the guy who said he witnessed it. As for numbers, I don't want to bother with it- I just don't have the same passion you do about this subject... in fact I think you are wasting your time.
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You mean it LOOKS like it might be liquid. During an eclipse, it "LOOKS" like the sun has a hole in it.

I do not give up and say "yup its just a contrail"- I have the right to question it... got it?
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Question away, but why don't you question the basic premises of "chemtrails" too?

You would have to know how much is being released, how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model.
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:facepalm: The same tanks I think?? Aircraft cannot contain more volume than their own interiors, or carry more than their design payload capacity, hmm? Those are KNOWN aircraft, hmm? There is no MAGIC involved, hmm?

You are unable and refuse to prove they can't cover 300 miles. Thank you for that revelation.
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Obtuse much?
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I know liquid when I see it vs a contrail cloud, just like I know an eclipse when I see it... nice try though.
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REally? How do you KNOW an eclipse is not a temporary hole in the sun? Please be specific.

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.
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The "damning evidence" against chemtrails has been presented for years- all ignored. Most of it has to do with the dismal lack of understanding of contrail science by chemmies.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.
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You said this. QUOTE: "...how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model."

You seem to completely miss the point that there is no type of tank or model of aircraft which could contain the volume of material needed to do what chemmies think is resulting in and from "chemtrails". The only option left for it to be true is MAGIC!
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You do this all the time don't you?
You even have a word "Chemmies"

Your determination to discredit this theory is interesting to me. It makes the subject matter that much more interesting, because if it was as ridiculous a theory as you claim- there would be no need to fight with people about it on the internet... now would there?



Right... and "Nibiru" must be real because people take time to point out how it is a hoax.

You say "there is no tank or model of aircraft that could contain the volume of material needed.."

How do you know that? They say it takes many planes,
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No, the claim which has been made here today is that ONE SINGLE PLANE "sprayed" enough material to obscure 300 sq miles of sky.

I don't know how much they have told you. You must do this a lot.
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How much "they" have told me? Who is "they"?

I have seen an entire eclipse through a high powered telescope, so no you could not convince me it is a hole. Simple as that.
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That is not specific. Truth is, you have enough scientific understanding to know what you are looking at. On the other hand people look up at trails in the sky and say: "LOOK.... CHEMTRAILS... I CAN SEEEEEEEEE THEM!!!!!
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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Do people who say the sun/moon are in the wrong place understand what they see? Do people who see "two suns" in images from cheap cameras understand what they see?
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I do not consider it the same issue, nice try.

You were trying to tell me I don't know liquid when I see it.
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It is exactly the same issue. It is about understanding what you are looking at.

Back to the original question, then. If that is "liquid", how long can that aircraft keep up that level of "spraying"?
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there are no chemtrails
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You mean it LOOKS like it might be liquid. During an eclipse, it "LOOKS" like the sun has a hole in it.

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Question away, but why don't you question the basic premises of "chemtrails" too?

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:facepalm: The same tanks I think?? Aircraft cannot contain more volume than their own interiors, or carry more than their design payload capacity, hmm? Those are KNOWN aircraft, hmm? There is no MAGIC involved, hmm?

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Obtuse much?
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I know liquid when I see it vs a contrail cloud, just like I know an eclipse when I see it... nice try though.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


REally? How do you KNOW an eclipse is not a temporary hole in the sun? Please be specific.

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


The "damning evidence" against chemtrails has been presented for years- all ignored. Most of it has to do with the dismal lack of understanding of contrail science by chemmies.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.
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You said this. QUOTE: "...how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model."

You seem to completely miss the point that there is no type of tank or model of aircraft which could contain the volume of material needed to do what chemmies think is resulting in and from "chemtrails". The only option left for it to be true is MAGIC!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


You do this all the time don't you?
You even have a word "Chemmies"

Your determination to discredit this theory is interesting to me. It makes the subject matter that much more interesting, because if it was as ridiculous a theory as you claim- there would be no need to fight with people about it on the internet... now would there?

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Right... and "Nibiru" must be real because people take time to point out how it is a hoax.

You say "there is no tank or model of aircraft that could contain the volume of material needed.."

How do you know that? They say it takes many planes,
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No, the claim which has been made here today is that ONE SINGLE PLANE "sprayed" enough material to obscure 300 sq miles of sky.

I don't know how much they have told you. You must do this a lot.
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How much "they" have told me? Who is "they"?

I have seen an entire eclipse through a high powered telescope, so no you could not convince me it is a hole. Simple as that.
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That is not specific. Truth is, you have enough scientific understanding to know what you are looking at. On the other hand people look up at trails in the sky and say: "LOOK.... CHEMTRAILS... I CAN SEEEEEEEEE THEM!!!!!


Most people who don't believe in Nibiru don't go to those threads and pester those people. I sure don't because it is not worth my time, so what the hell is your problem?

You said "they" referring to the *chemmies* you choose to fight with all the time. I don't know what they tell you so I cannot fight their fights.... got it?

I do not recall him saying it covered 300 square miles, just 300 miles which I thought he meant in the form of one trail.

I am not comparing seeing an eclipse to seeing a chemtrail from the ground... I am comparing it to seeing what I know to be liquid, don't change the subject.
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My simple question is why is there a group of people dedicated with investing a great deal of energy to place posts to argue that chem trails "definitely do not exist".

The existence of these shills and their passion speaks volumes.
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And the fact that there are a lot of people saying that Nibiru doesn't exist, must mean that it DOES exist, right?
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You said "they" referring to the *chemmies* you choose to fight with all the time. I don't know what they tell you so I cannot fight their fights.... got it?
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You really ought to understand the mentality and the position and claims of the people who promote the "chemtrail" story.

I do not recall him saying it covered 300 square miles, just 300 miles which I thought he meant in the form of one trail.
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No, he said that a single plane went back and forth and then 90 degrees to that and that those trails spread out to cover the entire Chicago area.

I am not comparing seeing an eclipse to seeing a chemtrail from the ground... I am comparing it to seeing what I know to be liquid, don't change the subject.
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OK... if that is "liquid" then why doesn't it form a solid column and fall directly to the ground?
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I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?
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Do people who say the sun/moon are in the wrong place understand what they see? Do people who see "two suns" in images from cheap cameras understand what they see?
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I do not consider it the same issue, nice try.

You were trying to tell me I don't know liquid when I see it.
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It is exactly the same issue. It is about understanding what you are looking at.

Back to the original question, then. If that is "liquid", how long can that aircraft keep up that level of "spraying"?
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I would rather know who, what, where and why vs how long and how much.

Lets say that people were being sprayed, and we had full disclosure, would you feel bad for fighting it for so long? Wouldn't you feel bad if people WERE being hurt in some way?

I am just curious
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You said "they" referring to the *chemmies* you choose to fight with all the time. I don't know what they tell you so I cannot fight their fights.... got it?
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You really ought to understand the mentality and the position and claims of the people who promote the "chemtrail" story.

I do not recall him saying it covered 300 square miles, just 300 miles which I thought he meant in the form of one trail.
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No, he said that a single plane went back and forth and then 90 degrees to that and that those trails spread out to cover the entire Chicago area.

I am not comparing seeing an eclipse to seeing a chemtrail from the ground... I am comparing it to seeing what I know to be liquid, don't change the subject.
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OK... if that is "liquid" then why doesn't it form a solid column and fall directly to the ground?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


If you think so little of these people, then why do you fight them so much? If you find yourself superior in some way and they will never understand you, then it is a waste of your precious time.

I will have to look at his post again to see if he said 300 square miles.

Because of the speed of the airplane it would not make a single column to the ground, you know that too- you are just trying to test me.

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