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I'm glad chemtards pay for their ignorance.

Living like such paranoid pussies is what you deserve.
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Right... outright lying is not sinister, it is just good marketing! Why do people let blatant lies like that go by, but take to task everything the "mainstream media" says? Don't look now, but people believe all sort of nonsense they see on Youboob. Maybe it is not as blatant as "SPRAYING BLOOD", but it is equally as false.
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You are way too wound up an sensational.... I am done here- I have a life I need to get back to
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


You seriously underestimate the hysterics and fervor behind these internet hoaxes. People are BELIEVING this stuff! People will BELIEVE that that plane is "SPRAYING BLOOD"!
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I think you are nuts. hiding
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I think she's using hysterics to promote her feeble argument and nuts as well.
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You know you're on to something when the contrailpeople start ridiculing.
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Yup, if the video was bad or way inaccurate- they wouldn't even bother posting. It is obviously ruffling some feathers here....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


You know I think there is plenty of evidence both obvious as well as compound analysis there is massive chemtrail activity going on especially the last 7 or so years.

That said, it doesn't mean all chemtrail speculation is correctly disseminated. 'k?

*heavy sigh*...that also does not mean there is no room for broader perspectives outside of pro or con, black or white.
I care not about those who say they're all contrails, the conversation has left them behind, although, there still are instances of contrails which do not negate the practice of chemtrailing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


I would agree with this except for the pro/con part. There's no upside to spraying unnatural shit all over the atmosphere.

I would also add that like with anything, it begins with observation. You look, you see, and these persistent streams of whatever are up there. It isn't necessary to know the answers to confirm the existence of something. As with finding (for instance) a dead body, that's just the beginning. Finding out the who, what, how and why is the investigation that comes after acknowledging the evidence of the thing that needs investigating. A fucking mountain of documentation has been accumulated on this spraying, much of it straight from government and patents and still the shills/containment agents/keyboard jockeys/whatever the fuck they are, demand that all questions must answered before the initial evidence is even acknowledged. Using that logic, NOTHING would ever be acknowledged or investigated. Of course, this is what they hope will happen with the spraying. Well, that ain't happening so their efforts are fruitless. At this point, they're just shilling to each in their circle jerk of a disinfo jizzfest.

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Your tag is funny, considering that we are not "allowed" to question the chemtrail or Niburu story without it being cited as proof it is right.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You misread the meaning of the quote. I put the quote there, referring to an authority who puts a negative label on those who question them.
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I didn't misread it at all. It is the chemmies who have put themselves in the position of "authority" in that the existence of "chemtrails" can no longer be questioned. They insist it is a given. Nancy Lieder does the same thing with her "Planet X".

I never said it wasn't allowed, I said I questioned your motives for even bothering with it. You don't believe in it but here we are some 12 pages in. I let you criticize me this whole time... I'm still here aren't I?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


The number one response to people coming on threads to debunk stuff is that it automatically proves the thing right. I'm not talking about YOU, in specific. I'm talking about the "movement" with which you seem to be aligning your self.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


*Chemmies* are not out to get you, they are not an authority- they don't give you orders, quit being so paranoid. An example of authority is the Government.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


When did I say anything of the kind?

You must love to argue... don't you have someone at home you can bother?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


I enjoy a debate. Have one?

Why don't you give up?
Yes I question you, your passion damns itself.
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Ahh... passion is a "damning" attribute. Good to know...
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At 35,000+ feet even a tanker that size is just a spec.

I said it was the fastest mover in the sky that day, viewing time might have been less than 45 seconds per pass!

Now try and track that with a 50-60X spotting scope with a -5 degree foview angle...

Ha, and he wants a video... ludicrous.

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I want ANY kind of proof other than your say-so. Have any? No? Didn't think so.

So it's just a "speck", and you can tell it's the SAME aircraft coming back? Now THAT'S ludicrous!

I rest my case.
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Right... outright lying is not sinister, it is just good marketing! Why do people let blatant lies like that go by, but take to task everything the "mainstream media" says? Don't look now, but people believe all sort of nonsense they see on Youboob. Maybe it is not as blatant as "SPRAYING BLOOD", but it is equally as false.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You are way too wound up an sensational.... I am done here- I have a life I need to get back to
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


You seriously underestimate the hysterics and fervor behind these internet hoaxes. People are BELIEVING this stuff! People will BELIEVE that that plane is "SPRAYING BLOOD"!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I think you are nuts. hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


That is your prerogative. Have any reason to trust what is contained in a vid which makes such an obviously bogus claim as that?
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Pisses me off big time. They've been doing this since at least 1995. They are trying to KILL US, no kidding. Aluminum and Barium salts = memory killing mixture ON PURPOSE.

They are trying to make you stupid.

See the National Library of Medicine information here:

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

See these articles:

Med Hypotheses. 1993 Oct;41(4):341-3.
Is aluminium an etiologic contributor to alcoholic amnesia and dementia?
Davis WM.
Abstract

Neurotoxicity from excess brain exposure to aluminium (Al) is well-documented, from both clinical observations and animal experiments, to impair learning, memory and cognition. The etiology of the cognitive impairment in chronic abusers of ethanol--alcoholic amnesia or dementia--is not known, but it is likely to be multifactorial. We hypothesize that a slowly-progressive accumulation of Al in the brain, so as to reach functionally-toxic levels, may be one such factor. This could occur because of an increased permeability of intestinal mucosa to entry of Al, arising from sustained exposure of the gastrointestinal tract to alcoholic beverages, plus a trend for more frequent ingestion of antacids based on Al salts for treating gastritis or ulcers caused by such exposure. If this be true, use of Al-containing medications, as well as all avoidable exposures to Al, should be contra-indicated for chronic heavy drinkers.
PMID: 8289699 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

They are making you stupid ON PURPOSE so you do not remember anything.

Barium salts and memory killing:

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

See this article, specifically:

Neurology. 2010 May 11;74(19):1546-9.
Elementary, my dear Dr. Allen: the case of barium toxicity and Pa Ping.
Bowen LN, Subramony SH, Cheng J, Wu SS, Okun MS.
Source

Department of Neurology, Movement Disorders Center, University of Florida College of Medicine, FL, USA. lauren.bowen@ufl.edu
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:

We aimed to review the English and Chinese literature on Pa Ping and to confirm by personal interview the story of how its pathogenesis was uncovered.
BACKGROUND:

In 1930, Dr. Alexander Stewart Allen noticed a pattern of illness arising in the region of Kiating, China. Area residents began presenting to local hospitals with nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea, and what emerged was a clinical picture of a gradual ascending paralysis that could result in death, termed Pa Ping. All 3 patients observed by Dr. Allen were male, had no family history of the disease, and had recently eaten before the onset of paralysis. Pa Ping developed in Dr. Allen himself, but he survived.
METHODS:

Medical literature was reviewed for primary sources. Interviews of living descendants and friends of the doctors in China and North America were conducted and information was corroborated by written records.
RESULTS:

Dr. Huang, with the National Central University College of Medicine, noticed a striking similarity between Pa Ping and familial periodic paralysis in 12 patients and reported 2 patients with Pa Ping treated with potassium citrate who experienced a reversal of the paralysis. Dr. K.T. Du analyzed meals of patients with Pa Ping seen by Dr. Zhe Tung and found barium in concentrations as high as 25.7%. This finding was confirmed by administering barium chloride to animals, which recapitulated the human syndrome.
CONCLUSIONS:

Although Dr. Huang had correctly noticed an underlying potassium depletion in patients with Pa Ping, the observations of Dr. Zhe Tung and Dr. K.T. Du ultimately established barium-induced hypokalemia as the underlying cause.
PMID: 20458073 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Disease from barium overdose is called "Pa Ping." Symptoms of Pa Ping include:

[link to pmj.bmj.com]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

J Chir (Paris). 1983 Nov;120(11):611-3.
[A case of barium-peritoneum with neurological involvement. Importance of barium determination in biological fluids].
[Article in French]
Deixonne B, Baumel H, Mauras Y, Allain P, Robert C, Raffanel C.
Abstract

Barium in the peritoneum following a barium enema led to a severe and irreversible chronic barium poisoning, although from the abdominal and gastro-intestinal point of view, there were virtually no sequelae. Barium assay on the cerebro-spinal fluid of this patient revealed excessively high levels, which provides the laboratory evidence of the direct action of barium on the central nervous system. Barium assays on biological fluids after barium-peritoneum could be used to assess the degree of barium poisoning and may have prognostic value.
PMID: 6655009 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


And here's the mother load:

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Studies such as:

5-Hydroxytryptamine activates a barium-sensitive, cAMP-mediated potassium conductance in the leech giant glial cell.

Ethanol effects on dopaminergic ventral tegmental area neurons during block of Ih: involvement of barium-sensitive potassium currents.

Elevated silver, barium and strontium in antlers, vegetation and soils sourced from CWD cluster areas: do Ag/Ba/Sr piezoelectric crystals represent the transmissible pathogenic agent in TSEs?

(Note: TSE = transmissable spongioform encephalopathy, i.e., MAD COW DISEASE, MAD DEER AND ELK DISEASE, or Cruzefeldt-Jakob Disease in humans)

THEY ARE INTENTIONALLY MAKING YOU STUPID SO YOU DO NOT REACT TO BEING TAKEN OVER BY THE COMMUNISTS.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!

please WAKE UP!!!!!!!

NOW!!!!!

oR YOU WILL BE HERDED OFF TO THE FEMA CREMATORIUM FOR KILLING.
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And not one in situ test showing that stuff to be originating from Aircraft.
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Tell ya what: It doesn't matter if anything is synced or who was flying the planes from which the videos were shot. The point is that the videos were shot from an aircraft and what they captured is undeniable. Those are NOT contrails.
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So, if those trails are comprised of stuff being "sprayed" from the planes, just how long do you think they could keep "spraying" that volume of stuff from the contents of tanks which would fit in those aircraft?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


First of all, it's not "if". The documentation, from government, confirms stuff being sprayed. Most if the information is about global warming mitigation and radar (military).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21651258


Exactly what I have been saying. "Chemtrails" are put forth as a 'given'. No, they are not. Just because it is possible to spray stuff from aircraft, that does NOT mean that every trail in the sky is full of chemicals.

I don't know how much a tanker can hold.
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It's been posted twice on this thread today. Don't you read the thread?

How many 55 gallon drums x sq ft available in the aircraft = how much? I don't know. Any liquid, which is condensed,
becomes an aerosol when sprayed, so all those drums could = a lot of mist. Same for chaff. It's going to cover a lot more cubic ft when sprayed out into the atmosphere.
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Sorry? "Condensed"? You are going to "condense" the liquid in the 55 gallon drums? Hilarious!
A 757-200 holds 11,489 gallons of fuel. What would that cover in cubic ft if sprayed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21651258


Why can't YOU answer that question? And, it's not about lightly "covering", it's about OBSCURING the sky, hmm?

If you are going to "spray" out your fuel capacity, what are you going to fly on? What is the usefull PAYLOAD of that aircraft and WHERE are these 757s full of 55 gallon drums?

So, that's the kind of fuel that can be in a plane. Now, how much can the body of hold in 55 gallon drums? A LOT.
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I already posted the payload of a KC135R tanker. Can it or your 757 carry enough drums to obscure 300 sq miles of sky?
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You are way too wound up an sensational.... I am done here- I have a life I need to get back to
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You seriously underestimate the hysterics and fervor behind these internet hoaxes. People are BELIEVING this stuff! People will BELIEVE that that plane is "SPRAYING BLOOD"!
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


I think you are nuts. hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


I think she's using hysterics to promote her feeble argument and nuts as well.
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The fact that I point out hysterics being used in Youtube vids on "Chemtrails" is not an indictment of anything but the "chemtrail" movement.
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You know you're on to something when the contrailpeople start ridiculing.
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Yup, if the video was bad or way inaccurate- they wouldn't even bother posting. It is obviously ruffling some feathers here....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


You know I think there is plenty of evidence both obvious as well as compound analysis there is massive chemtrail activity going on especially the last 7 or so years.

That said, it doesn't mean all chemtrail speculation is correctly disseminated. 'k?

*heavy sigh*...that also does not mean there is no room for broader perspectives outside of pro or con, black or white.
I care not about those who say they're all contrails, the conversation has left them behind, although, there still are instances of contrails which do not negate the practice of chemtrailing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


I would agree with this except for the pro/con part. There's no upside to spraying unnatural shit all over the atmosphere.

I would also add that like with anything, it begins with observation. You look, you see, and these persistent streams of whatever are up there. It isn't necessary to know the answers to confirm the existence of something. As with finding (for instance) a dead body, that's just the beginning. Finding out the who, what, how and why is the investigation that comes after acknowledging the evidence of the thing that needs investigating. A fucking mountain of documentation has been accumulated on this spraying, much of it straight from government and patents and still the shills/containment agents/keyboard jockeys/whatever the fuck they are, demand that all questions must answered before the initial evidence is even acknowledged. Using that logic, NOTHING would ever be acknowledged or investigated. Of course, this is what they hope will happen with the spraying. Well, that ain't happening so their efforts are fruitless. At this point, they're just shilling to each in their circle jerk of a disinfo jizzfest.

lol
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Bullshit. The "initial evidence" is that there are lines in the sky being place there by aircraft and you can look up and see them. NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. It is completely ACKNOWLEDGED. It is what you ASSUME is in those trails that is being debated.

Let us not forget that the very basis for the "chemtrail" movement is the erroneous notion that normal contrails don't persist. You can't escape that as the premise of the entire argument. Sorry, but that argument of your buddies is spurious.
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I put one one message on that vid on Youtube challenging what is presented there. I was BLOCKED immediately. Chemmies can't allow counter-arguments to their foolish notions.
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You mean you see something happening and you 'reverse-define' things to mean one aircraft can hold that amount of material.

Payload of KC 135R = 83,000lbs. Divide that by 8lbs per gallon = approx 10,375 gallons of material. You think THAT volume of material can cover 300 sq miles?? And you people wonder why you get called idiots.
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And how much do you assume is coming out at any given time?
]/quote]

How much do YOU assume is coming out? YOU are the one trying to support this absurdity. Why have YOU not done that calculation?

You don't know what kind of tanks or technology is at hand here.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


What "kind of tanks"? So you are imagining some sort of magic tanks which can contain more volume than the aircraft in which they ride?

Don't make fun of people for assuming when you yourself are doing the same.
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QUOTE: Well, there is at least enough in one aircraft to completely cover 300 square miles of Chicagoland and its suburbs.

This sort of statement makes fun of itself. I'm just pointing it out for those of you who are too dumb to notice.
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Don't ask me to assume, I wasn't the one presenting numbers-
You were. For the numbers you put forth, as if you are some sort of contrail-proving expert, you should also calculate how much is coming out.

Finish your example to challenge that other poster, since you think you can prove him wrong
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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
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Think people don't really believe they are spraying blood out of aircraft? Here is a message posted on that vid on Youtube:

[link to www.youtube.com]


Both are found in chemtrails. And whole towns are becoming ill, by what doctors are calling "unknown respiratory illness". I know this not only from many, many reports. But also because OUR TOWN is sick with it. Desiccated human red blood cells were sprayed on our town. Check out my video documenting it. "Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells from Chemtrails all over my car"
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And how much do you assume is coming out at any given time?
]/quote]

How much do YOU assume is coming out? YOU are the one trying to support this absurdity. Why have YOU not done that calculation?

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What "kind of tanks"? So you are imagining some sort of magic tanks which can contain more volume than the aircraft in which they ride?

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QUOTE: Well, there is at least enough in one aircraft to completely cover 300 square miles of Chicagoland and its suburbs.

This sort of statement makes fun of itself. I'm just pointing it out for those of you who are too dumb to notice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Don't ask me to assume, I wasn't the one presenting numbers-
You were. For the numbers you put forth, as if you are some sort of contrail-proving expert, you should also calculate how much is coming out.

Finish your example to challenge that other poster, since you think you can prove him wrong
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Not at all. That wasn't my argument. You are begging the question(true meaning of that expression). No one is saying that aircraft can't fly that far. One gallon of material could be dispersed over the entire planet- that is not the issue at all. The ISSUE is whether one aircraft can "spray" enough material to obscure 300 sq miles of sky.
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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21651258


You have it completely backward. The question is not whether there is enough fuel to fly that sort of distance. The question is whether it is remnants of the fuel. per se', which comprise contrails. It is not. If the fuel was just being "sprayed" out(not ignited or burned) in concentrations heavy enough to create a dense trail, it would be gone in no time. That is the POINT! There is not enough room in an aircraft to hold the material needed to create a dense trail of "sprayed" stuff in order to do what chemmies think is being done. You are simply showing your own ignorance with this tack.
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And how much do you assume is coming out at any given time?
]/quote]

How much do YOU assume is coming out? YOU are the one trying to support this absurdity. Why have YOU not done that calculation?

...


What "kind of tanks"? So you are imagining some sort of magic tanks which can contain more volume than the aircraft in which they ride?

...



QUOTE: Well, there is at least enough in one aircraft to completely cover 300 square miles of Chicagoland and its suburbs.

This sort of statement makes fun of itself. I'm just pointing it out for those of you who are too dumb to notice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


Don't ask me to assume, I wasn't the one presenting numbers-
You were. For the numbers you put forth, as if you are some sort of contrail-proving expert, you should also calculate how much is coming out.

Finish your example to challenge that other poster, since you think you can prove him wrong
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Don't ask you to ASSUME?? Everything ABOUT "chemtrails" is ASSUMPTION! What is shown in this vid is pure ASSUMPTION, presented as if it was FACT! You want figures on Jetfuel consumption per mile? No.. you wan't to know how much stuff is being "sprayed" from those aircraft because that is your base ASSUMPTION! I have to "prove" that some 10,000 gallons of material is absurdly inadequate to cover 300 square miles? Surely you jest.
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lol

You have claimed that chemtrails are really contrails. Contrails can be as long as the flight. We also aren't talking SOLID SQUARE MILES. But you knew that. We are talking linear miles of mist that then spreads out.
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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21651258


You have it completely backward. The question is not whether there is enough fuel to fly that sort of distance. The question is whether it is remnants of the fuel. per se', which comprise contrails. It is not. If the fuel was just being "sprayed" out(not ignited or burned) in concentrations heavy enough to create a dense trail, it would be gone in no time. That is the POINT! There is not enough room in an aircraft to hold the material needed to create a dense trail of "sprayed" stuff in order to do what chemmies think is being done. You are simply showing your own ignorance with this tack.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Wrong. Nobody claimed anything about the density of chemtrails. They are aerosols. MIST. Just like contrails which can go for thousands of miles.

The correct questions are:

What type of plane is used to spray the alleged chemtrails?

How much cargo, in terms of condensed liquids can that plane hold?

What is the chemical formulation of the condensed liquid?

How much sq ft of aerosol can be produced from a given quantity of said chemical?

Those are particulars that nobody has the answer for, yet. That said, not having those particular answers doesn't negate the evidence of chemtrails.
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Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?
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Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.
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Don't ask me to assume, I wasn't the one presenting numbers-
You were. For the numbers you put forth, as if you are some sort of contrail-proving expert, you should also calculate how much is coming out.

Finish your example to challenge that other poster, since you think you can prove him wrong
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Don't ask you to ASSUME?? Everything ABOUT "chemtrails" is ASSUMPTION! What is shown in this vid is pure ASSUMPTION, presented as if it was FACT! You want figures on Jetfuel consumption per mile? No.. you wan't to know how much stuff is being "sprayed" from those aircraft because that is your base ASSUMPTION! I have to "prove" that some 10,000 gallons of material is absurdly inadequate to cover 300 square miles? Surely you jest.
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lol

You have claimed that chemtrails are really contrails.
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I don't think so. How do you figure that?

Contrails can be as long as the flight.
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Yes- more or less.

We also aren't talking SOLID SQUARE MILES.
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We were. We are discussing the claim that a single aircraft placed trails which obscured 300 sq miles. Don't you read your own thread?

But you knew that. We are talking linear miles of mist that then spreads out.
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What? When you "spread it out" it covers some number of square miles. What don't you understand about that?
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By the way... the Youtube title of that vid contains this: "Chemtrail Pilots SPRAYING BLOOD". Do you believe that BLOOD was being sprayed?? And you don't get that there is subterfuge and intent to mislead built into this story and that specific vid?
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It's pretty clear, and has been addressed, that the blood claim was made by someone who copied the original video. The same video from Liveleak has a different title. We all understand that the angle of the sun can make vapors turn colors.
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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
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You have it completely backward. The question is not whether there is enough fuel to fly that sort of distance. The question is whether it is remnants of the fuel. per se', which comprise contrails. It is not. If the fuel was just being "sprayed" out(not ignited or burned) in concentrations heavy enough to create a dense trail, it would be gone in no time. That is the POINT! There is not enough room in an aircraft to hold the material needed to create a dense trail of "sprayed" stuff in order to do what chemmies think is being done. You are simply showing your own ignorance with this tack.
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Wrong. Nobody claimed anything about the density of chemtrails.
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Bullshit. That claim has SPECIFICALLY been made here and that claim has been GENERALLY been made over and over again when it is insisted that "chemtrails" have covered the sky.

They are aerosols. MIST. Just like contrails which can go for thousands of miles.
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NO! Contrails are not an aerosol which has been "sprayed" from Aircraft. They are artificial clouds which have been TRIGGERED by aircraft. contrailscience.com

The correct questions are:

What type of plane is used to spray the alleged chemtrails?
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You can only speculate because all the images of planes allegedly "spraying" contrails are bogus.

How much cargo, in terms of condensed liquids can that plane hold?
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Sorry? "Condensed liquids"? You are claiming that they are compressing the liquids?

What is the chemical formulation of the condensed liquid?
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I'd love to see you answer that.

How much sq ft of aerosol can be produced from a given quantity of said chemical?
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NO! How much 'aerosol' does it take to OBSCURE a square mile of sky?

Those are particulars that nobody has the answer for, yet. That said, not having those particular answers doesn't negate the evidence of chemtrails.
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ALL of what you just said negates the idea the chemmies have much of a logical approach to their beliefs.

Why don't YOU research the amount of material used by skywriters to create lettering which obscures the sky sufficiently to be readable? That should give you an idea of how much material would be needed to obscure a square mile of sky. Heh...
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By the way... the Youtube title of that vid contains this: "Chemtrail Pilots SPRAYING BLOOD". Do you believe that BLOOD was being sprayed?? And you don't get that there is subterfuge and intent to mislead built into this story and that specific vid?
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It's pretty clear, and has been addressed, that the blood claim was made by someone who copied the original video. The same video from Liveleak has a different title. We all understand that the angle of the sun can make vapors turn colors.
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So why don't you go on Youtube and tell the person who is hosting that vid that he is misrepresenting things? I DARE you! Your post will not be "approved" and you will be blocked from commenting further at all.

Here is another chemmie pushing the same idea:

"Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells from Chemtrails all over my car"

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Yup, if the video was bad or way inaccurate- they wouldn't even bother posting. It is obviously ruffling some feathers here....
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You know I think there is plenty of evidence both obvious as well as compound analysis there is massive chemtrail activity going on especially the last 7 or so years.

That said, it doesn't mean all chemtrail speculation is correctly disseminated. 'k?

*heavy sigh*...that also does not mean there is no room for broader perspectives outside of pro or con, black or white.
I care not about those who say they're all contrails, the conversation has left them behind, although, there still are instances of contrails which do not negate the practice of chemtrailing.
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I would agree with this except for the pro/con part. There's no upside to spraying unnatural shit all over the atmosphere.

I would also add that like with anything, it begins with observation. You look, you see, and these persistent streams of whatever are up there. It isn't necessary to know the answers to confirm the existence of something. As with finding (for instance) a dead body, that's just the beginning. Finding out the who, what, how and why is the investigation that comes after acknowledging the evidence of the thing that needs investigating. A fucking mountain of documentation has been accumulated on this spraying, much of it straight from government and patents and still the shills/containment agents/keyboard jockeys/whatever the fuck they are, demand that all questions must answered before the initial evidence is even acknowledged. Using that logic, NOTHING would ever be acknowledged or investigated. Of course, this is what they hope will happen with the spraying. Well, that ain't happening so their efforts are fruitless. At this point, they're just shilling to each in their circle jerk of a disinfo jizzfest.

lol
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Bullshit. The "initial evidence" is that there are lines in the sky being place there by aircraft and you can look up and see them. NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. It is completely ACKNOWLEDGED. It is what you ASSUME is in those trails that is being debated.
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All science begins with observation. We have all observed that there are persistent trails from aircraft that were not there a couple of decades ago. Millions of people, around the world, have made these observations.


Let us not forget that the very basis for the "chemtrail" movement is the erroneous notion that normal contrails don't persist. You can't escape that as the premise of the entire argument. Sorry, but that argument of your buddies is spurious.


Contrails do not persist. They rapidly dissipate. Chemtrails persist, sometimes, all day, turning clear blue skies into a hazy, milky mess. Contrails don't do that. It's the observation of this that has resulted in the interest about WTF is going on.

Perhaps you would like to provide us evidence of a radical change in atmospheric physics that has caused non persistent contrails to suddenly become ridiculously persistent to the extent that they turn clear sunny days to shitty hazy days.
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By the way... the Youtube title of that vid contains this: "Chemtrail Pilots SPRAYING BLOOD". Do you believe that BLOOD was being sprayed?? And you don't get that there is subterfuge and intent to mislead built into this story and that specific vid?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


It's pretty clear, and has been addressed, that the blood claim was made by someone who copied the original video. The same video from Liveleak has a different title. We all understand that the angle of the sun can make vapors turn colors.
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So why don't you go on Youtube and tell the person who is hosting that vid that he is misrepresenting things? I DARE you! Your post will not be "approved" and you will be blocked from commenting further at all.

Here is another chemmie pushing the same idea:

"Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells from Chemtrails all over my car"

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Note @ 3:03 she says: "Then I saw this" and says it looks exactly like what was on her car... problem is... there are pretty obvious WORMS of some sort in the image. Duh? I wonder if they are what is creating the "fibers"? The idea doesn't even cross her mind because she has already decided they were "sprayed" by aircraft.

She goes on to say: "I had heard that there was dessicated Human blood in some chemtrail...." And THAT is how this nonsense gets spread across the internet!
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Think people don't really believe they are spraying blood out of aircraft? Here is a message posted on that vid on Youtube:

[link to www.youtube.com]


Both are found in chemtrails. And whole towns are becoming ill, by what doctors are calling "unknown respiratory illness". I know this not only from many, many reports. But also because OUR TOWN is sick with it. Desiccated human red blood cells were sprayed on our town. Check out my video documenting it. "Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells from Chemtrails all over my car"
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Nobody on this thread is claiming that. I've explained to you that the Youtube was ripped from another video and the 'blood' title used by whoever uploaded it. I can copy a video of the Japan tsunami and title it,"scalar weapons cause tsunami" and it has fuck all to with what we're observing. It only means I'm a little looney or a disinfo agent. So, lets not carry on about a crackpot title or the comment of someone on a YT video, m'kay? It's about the CONTENT of the video.
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Don't ask me to assume, I wasn't the one presenting numbers-
You were. For the numbers you put forth, as if you are some sort of contrail-proving expert, you should also calculate how much is coming out.

Finish your example to challenge that other poster, since you think you can prove him wrong
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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
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Not at all. That wasn't my argument. You are begging the question(true meaning of that expression). No one is saying that aircraft can't fly that far. One gallon of material could be dispersed over the entire planet- that is not the issue at all. The ISSUE is whether one aircraft can "spray" enough material to obscure 300 sq miles of sky.
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You need to prove that it can't. Provide your proof.

Additionally, I've seen several planes spray and obscure the sky so go ahead and prove that that can't happen, too. I don't get care to get hung up on the ONE plane issue.
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You know I think there is plenty of evidence both obvious as well as compound analysis there is massive chemtrail activity going on especially the last 7 or so years.

That said, it doesn't mean all chemtrail speculation is correctly disseminated. 'k?

*heavy sigh*...that also does not mean there is no room for broader perspectives outside of pro or con, black or white.
I care not about those who say they're all contrails, the conversation has left them behind, although, there still are instances of contrails which do not negate the practice of chemtrailing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213681


I would agree with this except for the pro/con part. There's no upside to spraying unnatural shit all over the atmosphere.

I would also add that like with anything, it begins with observation. You look, you see, and these persistent streams of whatever are up there. It isn't necessary to know the answers to confirm the existence of something. As with finding (for instance) a dead body, that's just the beginning. Finding out the who, what, how and why is the investigation that comes after acknowledging the evidence of the thing that needs investigating. A fucking mountain of documentation has been accumulated on this spraying, much of it straight from government and patents and still the shills/containment agents/keyboard jockeys/whatever the fuck they are, demand that all questions must answered before the initial evidence is even acknowledged. Using that logic, NOTHING would ever be acknowledged or investigated. Of course, this is what they hope will happen with the spraying. Well, that ain't happening so their efforts are fruitless. At this point, they're just shilling to each in their circle jerk of a disinfo jizzfest.

lol
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Bullshit. The "initial evidence" is that there are lines in the sky being place there by aircraft and you can look up and see them. NO ONE IS DENYING THAT. It is completely ACKNOWLEDGED. It is what you ASSUME is in those trails that is being debated.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


All science begins with observation. We have all observed that there are persistent trails from aircraft that were not there a couple of decades ago.
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Nonsense. There are plenty of photos showing contrails older than that and they have been shown over and over. There certainly are MORE contrails than then? Gee I wonder why? Maybe you can puzzle that out for yourself. contrailscience.com


Millions of people, around the world, have made these observations.
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"Millions"? And I suppose an equal number have "noticed" that the sun and moon are not where they belong, hmm?


Let us not forget that the very basis for the "chemtrail" movement is the erroneous notion that normal contrails don't persist. You can't escape that as the premise of the entire argument. Sorry, but that argument of your buddies is spurious.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21651258




Contrails do not persist. They rapidly dissipate. Chemtrails persist, sometimes, all day, turning clear blue skies into a hazy, milky mess. Contrails don't do that. It's the observation of this that has resulted in the interest about WTF is going on.



And there it is... That is just patently false and shoots your entire belief system down. Your "observations" on that are faulty. contrailscience.com

Perhaps you would like to provide us evidence of a radical change in atmospheric physics that has caused non persistent contrails to suddenly become ridiculously persistent to the extent that they turn clear sunny days to shitty hazy days.
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No need. That hasn't changed. The things which have changed is the number of aircraft in the sky and the operational nature of modern aircraft engines.
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Think people don't really believe they are spraying blood out of aircraft? Here is a message posted on that vid on Youtube:

[link to www.youtube.com]


Both are found in chemtrails. And whole towns are becoming ill, by what doctors are calling "unknown respiratory illness". I know this not only from many, many reports. But also because OUR TOWN is sick with it. Desiccated human red blood cells were sprayed on our town. Check out my video documenting it. "Desiccated Human Red Blood Cells from Chemtrails all over my car"
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Nobody on this thread is claiming that. I've explained to you that the Youtube was ripped from another video and the 'blood' title used by whoever uploaded it. I can copy a video of the Japan tsunami and title it,"scalar weapons cause tsunami" and it has fuck all to with what we're observing. It only means I'm a little looney or a disinfo agent. So, lets not carry on about a crackpot title or the comment of someone on a YT video, m'kay? It's about the CONTENT of the video.
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The CONTENT of the vid is what the title is about! What else is the purpose of showing that plane blasting 'red stuff' out the back? It's an example of the hysterics surrounding this subject.
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Don't ask you to ASSUME?? Everything ABOUT "chemtrails" is ASSUMPTION! What is shown in this vid is pure ASSUMPTION, presented as if it was FACT! You want figures on Jetfuel consumption per mile? No.. you wan't to know how much stuff is being "sprayed" from those aircraft because that is your base ASSUMPTION! I have to "prove" that some 10,000 gallons of material is absurdly inadequate to cover 300 square miles? Surely you jest.
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lol

You have claimed that chemtrails are really contrails.
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I don't think so. How do you figure that?

Contrails can be as long as the flight.
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Yes- more or less.

We also aren't talking SOLID SQUARE MILES.
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We were. We are discussing the claim that a single aircraft placed trails which obscured 300 sq miles. Don't you read your own thread?

But you knew that. We are talking linear miles of mist that then spreads out.
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What? When you "spread it out" it covers some number of square miles. What don't you understand about that?
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You've arguing that people are mistaking contrails for what they think are chemtrails, have you not?

He said it was a 300 sq ml grid, with the lines spaced 8 miles apart. You can google image photos of skies covered with trails that have spread out and covered the sky, heavy in some spots and lighter in others. This isn't about a one foot thick blanket that is 300 sq miles and you know that.

The poster said he observed the plane. Prove it's not possible. That's the scientific method.

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