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Look at it this way: The containment agents/shills keep saying these are contrails, right? Then a particular shill keeps asking how much liquid would have to be carried to produce a long alleged chemtrail, because he's trying to imply that not enough liquid could be on board to make these long trails. Well, if the argument of the shills is that these are ordinary contrails, then we can safely say that in just the fuel amounts of a large aircraft, alone, there is enough liquid to lay a trail the length of an intercontinental flight :) How long is that? From Signapore to Newark, NJ is 19 hours.

The Airbus A-340 model that Singapore and Emirates fly is designed to go farther than any other jet, a maximum 10,200 miles without refueling.

[link to usatoday30.usatoday.com]


Soooooo........ I guess it's safe to say that a tanker could hold enough liquid, that when dispersed in open air, it could cover many hundreds of miles (and that's being conservative).
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Not at all. That wasn't my argument. You are begging the question(true meaning of that expression). No one is saying that aircraft can't fly that far. One gallon of material could be dispersed over the entire planet- that is not the issue at all. The ISSUE is whether one aircraft can "spray" enough material to obscure 300 sq miles of sky.
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You need to prove that it can't. Provide your proof.
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Actually I don't. It is so very telling that chemtrail pushers never consider the need do take that into consideration. You apparently believe that whatever you think is being "sprayed" out of aircraft and the ability to expand in an unlimited fashion.

Additionally, I've seen several planes spray and obscure the sky so go ahead and prove that that can't happen, too. I don't get care to get hung up on the ONE plane issue.
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You don't have to worry about any of that as long as you believe that contrails don't persist and aren't artificial clouds which can expand and become larger clouds. They certainly can, and do- regardless of your refusal to accept that. contrailscience.com

You are, in effect, claiming that there no such thing as contrails and never has been. Apparently you are denying the whole foundation of atmospheric science. Heh... I wonder... what do YOU think allows small clouds to become larger clouds?
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lol

You have claimed that chemtrails are really contrails.
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I don't think so. How do you figure that?

Contrails can be as long as the flight.
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Yes- more or less.

We also aren't talking SOLID SQUARE MILES.
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We were. We are discussing the claim that a single aircraft placed trails which obscured 300 sq miles. Don't you read your own thread?

But you knew that. We are talking linear miles of mist that then spreads out.
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What? When you "spread it out" it covers some number of square miles. What don't you understand about that?
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You've arguing that people are mistaking contrails for what they think are chemtrails, have you not?
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And?

He said it was a 300 sq ml grid, with the lines spaced 8 miles apart. You can google image photos of skies covered with trails that have spread out and covered the sky, heavy in some spots and lighter in others. This isn't about a one foot thick blanket that is 300 sq miles and you know that.
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What? I know that? What material are you claming has "spread out"? Where did it come from? He says it came from ONE PLANE. Make it whatever thickness you want. That doesn't matter. It still has to contain enough material to block the sky.

The poster said he observed the plane. Prove it's not possible. That's the scientific method.
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No. A claim without supporting evidence doesn't require that I supply evidence to disprove it. I already claim that it is obvious that there is not enough volume available in any given plane to do that. Apparently you don't allow that such is any limiting factor, right?
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That's the scientific method.
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Just so we are clear... you are claiming that every trail behind every plane in the sky is fully comprised of "chemicals" of some sort? If so, please describe how you applied the scientific method in coming to that determination.
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The poster said he observed the plane. Prove it's not possible. That's the scientific method.
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By the way, he came back and said he couldn't take a vid of the plane because it was only a "speck". That pretty much exposes the fact that he really can't have known it was the same plane, hmm? That sort of thing is par for the course for every single instance I have seen of people claiming that a single plane made multiple passes overhead laying down "chemtrails".
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Contrails do not persist. They rapidly dissipate. Chemtrails persist, sometimes, all day, turning clear blue skies into a hazy, milky mess. Contrails don't do that. It's the observation of this that has resulted in the interest about WTF is going on.
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Wrong. Just wrong. Contrails are essentially cirrus clouds. By claiming they can't persist you are claiming that cirrus clouds can't exist. Hilarious! Contrails have been known to be able to persist since planes could fly high enough to make them.

[link to naca.central.cranfield.ac.uk]

The link above is a report from 1942. It mentions that contrails can be persistent given the right conditions. Now, considering there is a lot more air traffic, that the traffic flies higher (colder temperatures more often conducive to persistent contrail formation) and that newer airplane engines burn cleaner (more water in the exhaust) and have higher thrust (more exhaust so again more water) is it really unexpected that persistent contrails are more common?

newspaper articles describing spreading persistent contrails from the 40's 50's and 70's here
[link to contrailscience.com]
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I can only speak about the observed ADC ops in Chicago.

The aircraft is a all white KC-767 or KC-46 type twin engine, with no passenger windows. The only markings are the minimum size 'N' numbers which are not discernible at spotting scope maximum magnification 50-60X. No tail logo.

Roughly from Wiki. The payload is 65,000 pounds which is about 8,000 gallons. Nozzle locations are 4 nozzles, ADC plumes not in line with the engines.

Chemical formulation? Who knows? Safe innocuous chemical markers for tracking and efficacy tests? Behavior modification chemicals? Biologicals like a flu virus? Maybe some chemical to receive HAARP or change weather patterns.
ADC ops over Chicagoland all had 'events' in the same time period; New Rush hospital infectious bioterrorism pandemic wing, racial uprising, flu outbreak/vaccine push, land hurricane weather system, secret terrorist interdiction over Chicago, in that same order.

One aircraft seemed to do a 300 sq mi perfect job of dispersion at some pre-designed density only the engineers knew. The final haze was a slightly translucent blanket at altitude, the haze continued to descend. If a biological were used, a density of 1 'bug' per cubic foot could be attained from 35,000 feet to the ground, with the payload available(300 sq mi).

Wrong. Nobody claimed anything about the density of chemtrails. They are aerosols. MIST. Just like contrails which can go for thousands of miles.

The correct questions are:

What type of plane is used to spray the alleged chemtrails?

How much cargo, in terms of condensed liquids can that plane hold?

What is the chemical formulation of the condensed liquid?

How much sq ft of aerosol can be produced from a given quantity of said chemical?

Those are particulars that nobody has the answer for, yet. That said, not having those particular answers doesn't negate the evidence of chemtrails.
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Government admits chemtrail spraying:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The news station even does a lab sample on the particles that fell from one of these chemtrails that included high levels of Barium...


Britain admits spraying the public:
[link to www.] guardian .co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon."

This shows pretty clear evidence that chemtrails are not a figment of the imagination...
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I can only speak about the observed ADC ops in Chicago.

The aircraft is a all white KC-767 or KC-46 type twin engine, with no passenger windows. The only markings are the minimum size 'N' numbers which are not discernible at spotting scope maximum magnification 50-60X. No tail logo.

Roughly from Wiki. The payload is 65,000 pounds which is about 8,000 gallons. Nozzle locations are 4 nozzles, ADC plumes not in line with the engines.

Chemical formulation? Who knows? Safe innocuous chemical markers for tracking and efficacy tests? Behavior modification chemicals? Biologicals like a flu virus? Maybe some chemical to receive HAARP or change weather patterns.
ADC ops over Chicagoland all had 'events' in the same time period; New Rush hospital infectious bioterrorism pandemic wing, racial uprising, flu outbreak/vaccine push, land hurricane weather system, secret terrorist interdiction over Chicago, in that same order.

One aircraft seemed to do a 300 sq mi perfect job of dispersion at some pre-designed density only the engineers knew. The final haze was a slightly translucent blanket at altitude, the haze continued to descend. If a biological were used, a density of 1 'bug' per cubic foot could be attained from 35,000 feet to the ground, with the payload available(300 sq mi).

Wrong. Nobody claimed anything about the density of chemtrails. They are aerosols. MIST. Just like contrails which can go for thousands of miles.

The correct questions are:

What type of plane is used to spray the alleged chemtrails?

How much cargo, in terms of condensed liquids can that plane hold?

What is the chemical formulation of the condensed liquid?

How much sq ft of aerosol can be produced from a given quantity of said chemical?

Those are particulars that nobody has the answer for, yet. That said, not having those particular answers doesn't negate the evidence of chemtrails.
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USAF doesn't have any KC-46s in the inventory yet...
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when i was growing up, jet contrails would always break up and disperse not far behind the jet......you almost never see that now-just many miles long chemtrails that may stretch from horizon to horizon.

i once, on a long drive west saw one grow from a string sized CT into a huge thick regular cloud covering a third of the sky-it was astounding
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One aircraft seemed to do a 300 sq mi perfect job of dispersion at some pre-designed density only the engineers knew.
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You mean the various "specks" you saw and ASSUMED were the same aircraft returning over and over again.
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Government admits chemtrail spraying:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The news station even does a lab sample on the particles that fell from one of these chemtrails that included high levels of Barium...


Britain admits spraying the public:
[link to www.] guardian .co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon."

This shows pretty clear evidence that chemtrails are not a figment of the imagination...
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The fact that aircraft CAN spray or drop things is not any kind of evidence that every line in the sky is full of chemicals.
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when i was growing up, jet contrails would always break up and disperse not far behind the jet......you almost never see that now-just many miles long chemtrails that may stretch from horizon to horizon.

i once, on a long drive west saw one grow from a string sized CT into a huge thick regular cloud covering a third of the sky-it was astounding
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That just isn't true, any more than it is true that the moon didn't ever appear to "tilt" as it crossed the sky when people where young, even though they insist they "remember" it that way.
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A good way to verify chemtrails is the moment you see them, get online and check the satellite radar. You can see them on satellite because the nano-aluminum particles used in the dispersant is radar reflective.

Contrails will not show up on the same radar, but chemtrails will. Watch them live at NOAA radar satellite.



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Satellite radar?? All weather radars are on the ground. Perhaps you mean satellite photos??
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They match up the live satellite video feed the with the live ground radar information. They aren't photo's, they are live stream.

They do filter them slightly but once you see one from the ground with your eyes, they are easy to spot live online.
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Re: Amazing chemtrail video shot from Fed Ex plane
Government admits chemtrail spraying:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The news station even does a lab sample on the particles that fell from one of these chemtrails that included high levels of Barium...


Britain admits spraying the public:
[link to www.] guardian .co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon."

This shows pretty clear evidence that chemtrails are not a figment of the imagination...
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The fact that aircraft CAN spray or drop things is not any kind of evidence that every line in the sky is full of chemicals.
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No but that wasn't the argument.
You said chemtrails are lies, this evidence proves that wrong.
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Was there any explanation as to the reason for spraying these chemicals over populated areas? While this does seem bizzare, I'm wondering if it was cold war related, some peculiar defense measure against some perceived potential threat...

But I don't see a connection with today's contrails.
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Government admits chemtrail spraying:
[link to www.youtube.com]

The news station even does a lab sample on the particles that fell from one of these chemtrails that included high levels of Barium...


Britain admits spraying the public:
[link to www.] guardian .co.uk/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience

"One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population. The chemical drifted miles inland, its fluorescence allowing the spread to be monitored. In another trial using zinc cadmium sulphide, a generator was towed along a road near Frome in Somerset where it spewed the chemical for an hour.

While the Government has insisted the chemical is safe, cadmium is recognised as a cause of lung cancer and during the Second World War was considered by the Allies as a chemical weapon."

This shows pretty clear evidence that chemtrails are not a figment of the imagination...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28781099


The fact that aircraft CAN spray or drop things is not any kind of evidence that every line in the sky is full of chemicals.
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No but that wasn't the argument.
You said chemtrails are lies, this evidence proves that wrong.
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Gawd... talk about the thin end of the wedge... I didn't claim that nothing has ever been dropped from an airplane in the history of the world.
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It would be easy for the chemtrailers to prove their claim.

To date, they only take ground samples, find various materials, and blame it's presence on airliners. Still no specifics on how it is distributed...is it held in separate tanks for spraying at flight level? Is it in the fuel?

It is readily apparent that NONE of the chemtrail crowd work in the air transport field. If they did, they would have some insight into the (im)practical side of this chem-bombing scheme. Maybe some photos of a truck with HAZMAT placards all over it filling barrels in a cargo hold. Or maybe a flight with chemical equipment filling the passenger compartment of a "cancelled" flight (please, no more pictures of the test flight aircraft with barrels of water for CG test flight data). Take a peek in the cockpit and look for "poison spray" switches?

Also, how about leasing a small jet and flying through a trail to get some direct samples?? This was in the works some time back, but fell apart due to some internal issues, donations were not returned as I recollect.

Until these chemtrailers can get some direct evidence, all we are seeing is contrails. I remember seeing them in the 50s and 60s. They are more prevalant today with the large increase in air travel, and the higher altitude capability of the newer jets. Quite probably the high bypass turbofans are more conducive to contrail formation, and they have all but taken over the powerplant market with their efficiency.

Meanwhile, the OP video is a joke. "DANGEROUS COLLISION HEADING"...(really??)..."APPEARS TO BE 2 KC-135 TANKERS" (or maybe some other 4 engine jetliners)..."OPERATING AT CIVILIAN ALTITUDES" (since when were flight levels separated between civil and military?)..."CONTROL TOWER HAD NO IDEA THE TANKERS EXISTED"...(I love the blaring text...too bad it's utter nonsense!)

You can complain about the milky skies all you want, but until you get some real data, it's just noise. Meanwhile, those are pretty contrails. If you see one, just go to flightaware.net or some similar sight, and you can ID the "culprit" straight away!!
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AC908,
Exactly. They sure ain't crop dustin' in Chicago. :)
Why spray ADC chemicals over a population of 10 million residents of Chicago/suburbs? If it were a technical science experiment or shielding treatment there are remote(or more important for shielding) military bases this could be done at without any questions asked. Remote bases with sensitive detection equipment to detect the most minute particle of chemical/biological, or shielding effect of metallic dispersion.

The answer is: it's something to do with 'the human element', a wide ranging metropolitan area of diverse humans.

In Chicago 300 square miles can test how wide an area of dispersion the ADC distribution is.
10 million diverse human sub-species, caucasion, negro, mexican, oriental, ME, jewish, you name it.
Clinics, ER's, hospitals, widely and densely distributed all over the area, and all sending exam data to a contagous disease and bioterrorism central clearing house.
ADC ops are done on 'calm' days in the "Windy City" however prevailing west winds invariably 'flush' the air over Lake Michigan, leaving no lingering trace.

Perfect little Petri Dish eh?

Was there any explanation as to the reason for spraying these chemicals over populated areas? While this does seem bizzare, I'm wondering if it was cold war related, some peculiar defense measure against some perceived potential threat...

But I don't see a connection with today's contrails.
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AC908,
Exactly. They sure ain't crop dustin' in Chicago. :)
Why spray ADC chemicals over a population of 10 million residents of Chicago/suburbs? If it were a technical science experiment or shielding treatment there are remote(or more important for shielding) military bases this could be done at without any questions asked. Remote bases with sensitive detection equipment to detect the most minute particle of chemical/biological, or shielding effect of metallic dispersion.

The answer is: it's something to do with 'the human element', a wide ranging metropolitan area of diverse humans.

In Chicago 300 square miles can test how wide an area of dispersion the ADC distribution is.
10 million diverse human sub-species, caucasion, negro, mexican, oriental, ME, jewish, you name it.
Clinics, ER's, hospitals, widely and densely distributed all over the area, and all sending exam data to a contagous disease and bioterrorism central clearing house.
ADC ops are done on 'calm' days in the "Windy City" however prevailing west winds invariably 'flush' the air over Lake Michigan, leaving no lingering trace.

Perfect little Petri Dish eh?

Was there any explanation as to the reason for spraying these chemicals over populated areas? While this does seem bizzare, I'm wondering if it was cold war related, some peculiar defense measure against some perceived potential threat...

But I don't see a connection with today's contrails.
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OK, I give up...what is ADC?
And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
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AC908,
Exactly. They sure ain't crop dustin' in Chicago. :)
Why spray ADC chemicals over a population of 10 million residents of Chicago/suburbs? If it were a technical science experiment or shielding treatment there are remote(or more important for shielding) military bases this could be done at without any questions asked. Remote bases with sensitive detection equipment to detect the most minute particle of chemical/biological, or shielding effect of metallic dispersion.

The answer is: it's something to do with 'the human element', a wide ranging metropolitan area of diverse humans.

In Chicago 300 square miles can test how wide an area of dispersion the ADC distribution is.
10 million diverse human sub-species, caucasion, negro, mexican, oriental, ME, jewish, you name it.
Clinics, ER's, hospitals, widely and densely distributed all over the area, and all sending exam data to a contagous disease and bioterrorism central clearing house.
ADC ops are done on 'calm' days in the "Windy City" however prevailing west winds invariably 'flush' the air over Lake Michigan, leaving no lingering trace.

Perfect little Petri Dish eh?

Was there any explanation as to the reason for spraying these chemicals over populated areas? While this does seem bizzare, I'm wondering if it was cold war related, some peculiar defense measure against some perceived potential threat...

But I don't see a connection with today's contrails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908


OK, I give up...what is ADC?
And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
 Quoting: uscrusader1


that is the entire gig of chemmies...sweeping, vague and unsustantiated (by either legal or scientific means) claims

but hey, go spray your vinegar around...disperse the trails

ffs
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AC908,
Exactly. They sure ain't crop dustin' in Chicago. :)
Why spray ADC chemicals over a population of 10 million residents of Chicago/suburbs? If it were a technical science experiment or shielding treatment there are remote(or more important for shielding) military bases this could be done at without any questions asked. Remote bases with sensitive detection equipment to detect the most minute particle of chemical/biological, or shielding effect of metallic dispersion.

The answer is: it's something to do with 'the human element', a wide ranging metropolitan area of diverse humans.

In Chicago 300 square miles can test how wide an area of dispersion the ADC distribution is.
10 million diverse human sub-species, caucasion, negro, mexican, oriental, ME, jewish, you name it.
Clinics, ER's, hospitals, widely and densely distributed all over the area, and all sending exam data to a contagous disease and bioterrorism central clearing house.
ADC ops are done on 'calm' days in the "Windy City" however prevailing west winds invariably 'flush' the air over Lake Michigan, leaving no lingering trace.

Perfect little Petri Dish eh?

Was there any explanation as to the reason for spraying these chemicals over populated areas? While this does seem bizzare, I'm wondering if it was cold war related, some peculiar defense measure against some perceived potential threat...

But I don't see a connection with today's contrails.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908


OK, I give up...what is ADC?
And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
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that is the entire gig of chemmies...sweeping, vague and unsustantiated (by either legal or scientific means) claims

but hey, go spray your vinegar around...disperse the trails

ffs
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chuckle
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when i was growing up, jet contrails would always break up and disperse not far behind the jet......you almost never see that now-just many miles long chemtrails that may stretch from horizon to horizon.

i once, on a long drive west saw one grow from a string sized CT into a huge thick regular cloud covering a third of the sky-it was astounding
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Engine efficiency matters
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OK, I give up...what is ADC?
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Aerially Dispersed Chemicals - a term used by lab personnel for the mixtures.

And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908

For R&D, innocuous markers can test efficacy without harm or raising alarm.

Chicago CDC office? The new Rush Bioterrorism Department? Whoever gets the exam results for flukey finds at the ER's would compile the results. And no, the clinics, ER's and hospitals don't know anything exept a found 'out of the ordinary' something that needed to be reported.

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
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I'm not making any claims. I'm putting together puzzle pieces. Call around to the clinics and ER's around Chicago and see where 'unknown element' or 'unknown biological' exam discoveries are sent to? Then expect a return visit from DHS! :)
It's above my pay grade as a GLP member.

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OK, I give up...what is ADC?
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Aerially Dispersed Chemicals - a term used by lab personnel for the mixtures.

And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?
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For R&D, innocuous markers can test efficacy without harm or raising alarm.

Chicago CDC office? The new Rush Bioterrorism Department? Whoever gets the exam results for flukey finds at the ER's would compile the results. And no, the clinics, ER's and hospitals don't know anything exept a found 'out of the ordinary' something that needed to be reported.

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908

I'm not making any claims. I'm putting together puzzle pieces. Call around to the clinics and ER's around Chicago and see where 'unknown element' or 'unknown biological' exam discoveries are sent to? Then expect a return visit from DHS! :)
It's above my pay grade as a GLP member.
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Lab personnel my ass...it's just something you chemtards made up. Just like the rest of the nonsense.
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I fail to see how this video proves anything other then that planes fly, planes sometimes fly close to each other and planes leave contrails.

When is there ever going to be some real evidence. Like somebody taking a sample from the nozzle of a engine or from the tanks.
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I fail to see how this video proves anything other then that planes fly, planes sometimes fly close to each other and planes leave contrails.

When is there ever going to be some real evidence. Like somebody taking a sample from the nozzle of a engine or from the tanks.
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^THIS
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OK, I give up...what is ADC?
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Aerially Dispersed Chemicals - a term used by lab personnel for the mixtures.

And do you have any data on these facilities routinely sending data to a "bioterrorism central clearing house"? (what specifically is that?) Are you saying that these medical facilities all know there is chemical warfare experiments ongoing over Chicago, and it's just the routine?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908

For R&D, innocuous markers can test efficacy without harm or raising alarm.

Chicago CDC office? The new Rush Bioterrorism Department? Whoever gets the exam results for flukey finds at the ER's would compile the results. And no, the clinics, ER's and hospitals don't know anything exept a found 'out of the ordinary' something that needed to be reported.

I see a claim here, pretty sweeping and vague, with no substantiation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28466908

I'm not making any claims. I'm putting together puzzle pieces. Call around to the clinics and ER's around Chicago and see where 'unknown element' or 'unknown biological' exam discoveries are sent to? Then expect a return visit from DHS! :)
It's above my pay grade as a GLP member.
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IF there were aluminum and/or barium toxicity ...it'd come from the ground were 1000sX more of those 2 come from...instead of some mist from 35k feet
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I fail to see how this video proves anything other then that planes fly, planes sometimes fly close to each other and planes leave contrails.

When is there ever going to be some real evidence. Like somebody taking a sample from the nozzle of a engine or from the tanks.
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Never...

That would ruin the kiddies' fantasies that they are being 'sprayed'...

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Aluminum Chlorohydrate? Reducing BO for millions at a time.
A govt conspiracy to stop Chicago body odor.
IF there were aluminum and/or barium toxicity ...it'd come from the ground were 1000sX more of those 2 come from...instead of some mist from 35k feet
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Aluminum Chlorohydrate? Reducing BO for millions at a time.
A govt conspiracy to stop Chicago body odor.
IF there were aluminum and/or barium toxicity ...it'd come from the ground were 1000sX more of those 2 come from...instead of some mist from 35k feet
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I think they are trying to help us.
If they were trying to kill us then millions of us
would be dead now.
It must have something to do with our sun.
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