Amazing chemtrail video shot from Fed Ex plane

Yes, because "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING!



No, you THINK you "SEE" liquid being "sprayed". What you should question is what you THINK you "SEE".



I want you to understand that "seeing" is not the same as UNDERSTANDING.



No, you CAN'T "believe your own eyes" if you don't UNDERSTAND THE NATURE OF WHAT YOU ARE "seeing".



No, the vid shows something you THINK is liquid being sprayed from tanks on an aircraft, because it LOOKS sorta like that to you. Why can't it be condensate from the engine exhaust?

So where is it posted then? Did you determine how much comes out, considering how fast the plane is going over the desired area?

Why can't it be swamp gas?!!???
Wow- you are clinging to a dumb argument here- trying to tell me I don't know what the hell I'm looking at.

Because you see something different, you want me to believe what YOU see.

I see and UNDERSTAND liquid. Compare it to other shots, compare it to contrail clouds- the substance is so heavy it falls and doesn't even trail behind the damn plane.

I have no idea where that was posted now- on one of the old chemtrail threads. It doesn't MATTER how fast it comes out! A certain density of particulate matter is required to obscure a certain area of sky. The amount of material containable in a hundred aircraft is woefully inadequate to cover the areas of sky they claim are being obscured by "spraying".

Yes. I'm trying to tell you that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT... just like the people who say they "see" the sun/moon in the wrong place in the sky DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT!!



No, I wan't you to begin to understand the SCIENCE behind contrails and stop GUESSING about what you see in the sky. contrailscience.com



It doesn't trail behind the plane? Sure it does. That plane is probably climbing, making it LOOK like the trail is dropping. Don't you GET that they intentionally choose misleading clips for those vids? The people who push that stuff are not honest. It is as simple as that.

You mean it LOOKS like it might be liquid. During an eclipse, it "LOOKS" like the sun has a hole in it.



Question away, but why don't you question the basic premises of "chemtrails" too?



:facepalm: The same tanks I think?? Aircraft cannot contain more volume than their own interiors, or carry more than their design payload capacity, hmm? Those are KNOWN aircraft, hmm? There is no MAGIC involved, hmm?



Obtuse much?

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.

Yes. I'm trying to tell you that you DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT... just like the people who say they "see" the sun/moon in the wrong place in the sky DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING AT!!



No, I wan't you to begin to understand the SCIENCE behind contrails and stop GUESSING about what you see in the sky. contrailscience.com



It doesn't trail behind the plane? Sure it does. That plane is probably climbing, making it LOOK like the trail is dropping. Don't you GET that they intentionally choose misleading clips for those vids? The people who push that stuff are not honest. It is as simple as that.

I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?

Pollution.is poluution, am i right? Lol. .. Old school arguement. Anyways, isnt the air less dense up there? So the trails.left behind appear larger becauae the particles disperse faster?

I question people who are secretive. I question people who want you to look the other way, and tell you you don't understand what you see. I don't question people wit
Quoting: Menow 18943200 otive, and I don't think this video was meant to trick people. How do you know they are not honest?

There are people out there calling this guy who runs that website a Gov shill.... is that true?

Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.

Larger? How MUCH larger? Enough to make a "sprayed" trail spread out to cover major portions of the sky? You are grasping at straws.

I know liquid when I see it vs a contrail cloud, just like I know an eclipse when I see it... nice try though.

If there is a video on a thread involving the questioning the idea of chemtrails, then that would be another discussion. There are some conspiracy theories I do not believe in, but it has to do with what I consider to be damning evidence.

I did not say there was magic involved... sensational much?
I never said the airplanes carried more than their capacity.

How much sky are you talking about? You must be referring to the missing thread, that you apparently have fought on with other people. Do you do this much?

It does matter how fast, and how much. If it is an aerosol type of spraying you would not need as much substance as you are thinking.

Do people who say the sun/moon are in the wrong place understand what they see? Do people who see "two suns" in images from cheap cameras understand what they see?

My statement deals with the fact that a group of you shills are so emphatic that chem trails do not exist, not that I am so sure that they do exist. Your unreasonable and pompous position, implies that you can prove a negative, and your position is some evidence in itself.

As for my humble and ignorant self, I have the following general evidence.

1) I have read about chemtrail tests and propositions in science journals regularly and many decades before the internet became popular. Aerial weather modification has been going on for decades out in the open. Why should it now be secret with a whole psyops in place to cover previous history?

2) I have seen US patents and other detailed descriptions of these methods by the US government themselves.

3) For the last decade I have lived in central Mexico, and have generally not seen indications of chemtrail activity, although at times I have seen skies that might have been due to such activity from a distance.

4) As a free flight pilot for 25 years I observe the sky more than most, and know about both common condensation trails and how they occur, and denser trails when other things are sprayed or added to the fuel mixture.

5) Some of the videos one sees are definitely of non fuel additives being sprayed, and at times turned on and off.

6) I have personal friends who are commercial pilots and they confirm seeing chem-trails being sprayed.

7) The existence of people like you which exclaim with such certainty that chem trails cannot exist, against all reason. If you were not a paid shill, but were honest, you would not be so resolute in your opinion, and your level of internet activity.

That is my short list of reasons to suggest that chem-trails might commonly be sprayed over certain populations.

I see it as a definite possibility, which is a reasonable position, and the posture of the shills is sort of like the icing on the cake.

Reality Consensus Control is paramount to TPTB.

Grasping? I have no need for that. I'm just talking about what goes on up there. Believe me, i know pollution when i see it. Anyways, i was speaking of the physics behind "contrails"

I didn't say that how MUCH doesn't matter. Of COURSE it does! That is the POINT! You just don't get it. "Chemmies" point at CLOUDS covering major portions of the sky and say it is material which originated inside aircraft. It simply isn't possible.

If YOU can do the calcs which prove a single aircraft can contain enough "spray" to obscure 300 sq miles of sky, then by all means... GO FOR IT! You will be FAMOUS and the HERO of the chemtrail movement!

REally? How do you KNOW an eclipse is not a temporary hole in the sun? Please be specific.



The "damning evidence" against chemtrails has been presented for years- all ignored. Most of it has to do with the dismal lack of understanding of contrail science by chemmies.



You said this. QUOTE: "...how much the tanks hold- assuming they even are the same tanks you think they are and not some undisclosed model."

You seem to completely miss the point that there is no type of tank or model of aircraft which could contain the volume of material needed to do what chemmies think is resulting in and from "chemtrails". The only option left for it to be true is MAGIC!

You say "there is no tank or model of aircraft that could contain the volume of material needed.."

How do you know that? They say it takes many planes,

I don't know how much they have told you. You must do this a lot.

I have seen an entire eclipse through a high powered telescope, so no you could not convince me it is a hole. Simple as that.

I do not consider it the same issue, nice try.

You were trying to tell me I don't know liquid when I see it.

You do this all the time don't you?
You even have a word "Chemmies"

Your determination to discredit this theory is interesting to me. It makes the subject matter that much more interesting, because if it was as ridiculous a theory as you claim- there would be no need to fight with people about it on the internet... now would there?

You say "there is no tank or model of aircraft that could contain the volume of material needed.."

How do you know that? They say it takes many planes,

I don't know how much they have told you. You must do this a lot.

I have seen an entire eclipse through a high powered telescope, so no you could not convince me it is a hole. Simple as that.

My simple question is why is there a group of people dedicated with investing a great deal of energy to place posts to argue that chem trails "definitely do not exist".

The existence of these shills and their passion speaks volumes.

You said "they" referring to the *chemmies* you choose to fight with all the time. I don't know what they tell you so I cannot fight their fights.... got it?

I do not recall him saying it covered 300 square miles, just 300 miles which I thought he meant in the form of one trail.

I am not comparing seeing an eclipse to seeing a chemtrail from the ground... I am comparing it to seeing what I know to be liquid, don't change the subject.

It is exactly the same issue. It is about understanding what you are looking at.

Back to the original question, then. If that is "liquid", how long can that aircraft keep up that level of "spraying"?

You really ought to understand the mentality and the position and claims of the people who promote the "chemtrail" story.



No, he said that a single plane went back and forth and then 90 degrees to that and that those trails spread out to cover the entire Chicago area.



OK... if that is "liquid" then why doesn't it form a solid column and fall directly to the ground?

I would rather know who, what, where and why vs how long and how much.

Lets say that people were being sprayed, and we had full disclosure, would you feel bad for fighting it for so long? Wouldn't you feel bad if people WERE being hurt in some way?

I am just curious