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Challenge Question of the Week

 
Dionysian Fullaflattus

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12/06/2012 09:11 AM

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The state of things as they actually exist is barely perceivable from our human vantage point.
I think most people get to that understanding eventually and then find peace in the art of living it rather than trying to define/rationalize it.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I think that is because there is no call or need being put on things like perception and how it is a variable that can be changed. We go through our education which more often than not set up in cookie cutter fashion. We get a job. Attempt to fit in. And try not to walk into each other as we stroll down the hallways looking down at our smart phones. There's no real importance being put on the act of thinking about what lies beyond our little systems here.

Growing up and having an interest in astronomy was a key I think in letting my mind wander out there, where I would contemplate through endless hours about what the possibilities could be. My dad use to remark about how few people would look up at the stars. If your mind doesn't explore beyond the everyday mundane activities we carry out here on the ground, than I think it becomes so much harder to conceive of looking at things a different way, let alone actually experience such a shift in perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


When you go out there you effectively bring back an objective mutability. As what is seen as vital drama through the eyes may become a comedy of great buffoonery from the audience.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I can see how it is set up as such Dion. To extend out the description that was made of Facebook having an emotional baseline in the way it operates, it is but a reflection of the reality that occurs in meatworld. And all I see out there are blind spots galore. tounge

I'm sure I still have some too.


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We all do, otherwise, what would be the need of other.
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Yep...just different ways to live a life.
Understanding it is probably just another small factor that affects the quality of the experience.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I've been doing a little thought experiment lately in which the present me goes back in time to meet the 10-12 year old version of me. So I think back to what my expectations were of the future (now) when I was that age. And each time I run through this thought experiment, the young version of me is always quite stunned as to what the (now) me has to tell him.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


I'll have to try that...and start ruminating on what my future self would tell my now self...

The nine of us (me, myself, and I from the past, present, and future) should then be able to come up with at the very least a coupla bizarro answers to the universe...

groucho

*skips off to wonder about that for a bit*
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12/07/2012 08:06 AM

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I think that is because there is no call or need being put on things like perception and how it is a variable that can be changed. We go through our education which more often than not set up in cookie cutter fashion. We get a job. Attempt to fit in. And try not to walk into each other as we stroll down the hallways looking down at our smart phones. There's no real importance being put on the act of thinking about what lies beyond our little systems here.

Growing up and having an interest in astronomy was a key I think in letting my mind wander out there, where I would contemplate through endless hours about what the possibilities could be. My dad use to remark about how few people would look up at the stars. If your mind doesn't explore beyond the everyday mundane activities we carry out here on the ground, than I think it becomes so much harder to conceive of looking at things a different way, let alone actually experience such a shift in perspective.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


When you go out there you effectively bring back an objective mutability. As what is seen as vital drama through the eyes may become a comedy of great buffoonery from the audience.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I can see how it is set up as such Dion. To extend out the description that was made of Facebook having an emotional baseline in the way it operates, it is but a reflection of the reality that occurs in meatworld. And all I see out there are blind spots galore. tounge

I'm sure I still have some too.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


We all do, otherwise, what would be the need of other.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


"In the words of Terence McKenna "find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do." All the answers and all the questions are there. Do not make groups, do not make symbols, do not create new names for yourselves. Naming yourselves or that which you choose to change will cause limitation. The I Ching says "never confront evil directly, never name it directly, because it finds weapons and words to defend its self." You are not an army so the strategy must be stealth.

What is meant by stealth? Stealth as in subversiveness, "all truth which springs from the individual is subversive." That which is opposed is almost impossible to escape. It is not inescapable, but not escapable by physically running away from it into the woods or by mentally rejecting and projecting the histeroma onto something or someone other. Chances are that you are already immersed in it, identify with it, or perpetuate it by participation(whether unwilling or not); this is not bad, for the best way to create, transform, or transmute something is to do that from within. Just like a flower does not get rid of a seed by replacing it with its self, but does so by coming out of it.

Technology that has been designed to exploit us, for tracking us, to pick our pockets, and to sell/addict us [to] junk we do not want or need are the tools that are to be used for subversive art. A dollar bill and a tax form become a canvas; a job becomes a place for social networking; a dirt lot or your front lawn becomes a garden.

The only way out is froward it's impossible to go back,  its a froward escape; like a child being born it can not go back to the womb. Collective human civilization is being born we can not go back to the African plains/cradle of man. Global warming, the nuclear arms race, deforestation, and the pollution of rivers and the human body are the birthing pains. Our ancestors persevered as far as they did so that we could be wherever we are now; our primitive ancestors did not have paved roads, did not have GPS, flue vaccines, or thermal polyester shirts. They did not have what we now have and they made it, they didn't give up. It is our responsibility today as it was their responsibility 10,000 years ago.

Philosophy is a noncompetative team sport. Sometimes it is imperative that a generation totally comes together to do what it is needed. It is never clear just what needs to be done or how it is going to be accomplished. The 60`s was the last massive attempt at an alchemical transmutation through artistic expression; what will it be this time, only we can choose. Let the mass grid of foreclosed and abandoned homes become headquarters and gathering places to practice this art; turn their unused land into gardens. Pump out massive amounts of subversive art!

Find the others, find the others and then you will know what to do."


[link to www.shroomery.org]


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


Thread: "Find the Others..."

flower


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12/07/2012 08:13 AM

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Yep...just different ways to live a life.
Understanding it is probably just another small factor that affects the quality of the experience.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


I've been doing a little thought experiment lately in which the present me goes back in time to meet the 10-12 year old version of me. So I think back to what my expectations were of the future (now) when I was that age. And each time I run through this thought experiment, the young version of me is always quite stunned as to what the (now) me has to tell him.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


I'll have to try that...and start ruminating on what my future self would tell my now self...

The nine of us (me, myself, and I from the past, present, and future) should then be able to come up with at the very least a coupla bizarro answers to the universe...

groucho

*skips off to wonder about that for a bit*
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


*wonders if flux capacitor could be jury rigged to a stretch limo so as to have capacity to take all 9 Arunas to "The Enchantment Under the Sea" dance*

scratching


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Dionysian Fullaflattus

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12/07/2012 12:08 PM

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When you go out there you effectively bring back an objective mutability. As what is seen as vital drama through the eyes may become a comedy of great buffoonery from the audience.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


I can see how it is set up as such Dion. To extend out the description that was made of Facebook having an emotional baseline in the way it operates, it is but a reflection of the reality that occurs in meatworld. And all I see out there are blind spots galore. tounge

I'm sure I still have some too.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


We all do, otherwise, what would be the need of other.
 Quoting: Dionysian Fullaflattus


"In the words of Terence McKenna "find the others, find the others, then you will know what to do." All the answers and all the questions are there. Do not make groups, do not make symbols, do not create new names for yourselves. Naming yourselves or that which you choose to change will cause limitation. The I Ching says "never confront evil directly, never name it directly, because it finds weapons and words to defend its self." You are not an army so the strategy must be stealth.

What is meant by stealth? Stealth as in subversiveness, "all truth which springs from the individual is subversive." That which is opposed is almost impossible to escape. It is not inescapable, but not escapable by physically running away from it into the woods or by mentally rejecting and projecting the histeroma onto something or someone other. Chances are that you are already immersed in it, identify with it, or perpetuate it by participation(whether unwilling or not); this is not bad, for the best way to create, transform, or transmute something is to do that from within. Just like a flower does not get rid of a seed by replacing it with its self, but does so by coming out of it.

Technology that has been designed to exploit us, for tracking us, to pick our pockets, and to sell/addict us [to] junk we do not want or need are the tools that are to be used for subversive art. A dollar bill and a tax form become a canvas; a job becomes a place for social networking; a dirt lot or your front lawn becomes a garden.

The only way out is froward it's impossible to go back,  its a froward escape; like a child being born it can not go back to the womb. Collective human civilization is being born we can not go back to the African plains/cradle of man. Global warming, the nuclear arms race, deforestation, and the pollution of rivers and the human body are the birthing pains. Our ancestors persevered as far as they did so that we could be wherever we are now; our primitive ancestors did not have paved roads, did not have GPS, flue vaccines, or thermal polyester shirts. They did not have what we now have and they made it, they didn't give up. It is our responsibility today as it was their responsibility 10,000 years ago.

Philosophy is a noncompetative team sport. Sometimes it is imperative that a generation totally comes together to do what it is needed. It is never clear just what needs to be done or how it is going to be accomplished. The 60`s was the last massive attempt at an alchemical transmutation through artistic expression; what will it be this time, only we can choose. Let the mass grid of foreclosed and abandoned homes become headquarters and gathering places to practice this art; turn their unused land into gardens. Pump out massive amounts of subversive art!

Find the others, find the others and then you will know what to do."


[link to www.shroomery.org]


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


Thread: "Find the Others..."

flower


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


Exactly, Each, unto self, is not complete; Otherwise it becomes the attractor in it's fullness.

By isolating oneself and not objectively questioning that put before us we become emptied by rote. As we know, oft repeated tasks, as Ideas, become inured cycles; Effectively meaning they become almost unconcious autonomic acts. This creates automatons and niche dwellers; As novelty through thought creates not only the new, but inspirations toward(s) other.

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