God does not exist and here's why

And neither do you. You're just a figment of your own imagination. You're not really real! You're fake, a dream, a ghost, a anomoly. You're not really alive. nothing is out there. So go back to sleep.

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Atheism is the NWO lie.

Jesus is recorded historic fact. The Bible says he is God.

of course you are entitled to your opinion, but to state this as a fact presupposes that you are privy to some proof.

if so please share.

otherwise....

You don't know shit about your own nose, dude....and now, you come here to say that God doesn't exist...

Give me da break

If this is true then why are you responding to my post then?
*rolls eyes*

Atheists are just as ignorant as theists.

The world will be saying the same thing about you in due time. You will eventually not even be a memory to others.
God lives

Please show me contemporary (written before 30 AD) non-biblical references to Jesus.

In fact, there is VERY little historical evidence for the existence of Jesus, and the Bible was cobbled together by various interested parties at the Council of Nicea, centuries after the supposed crucifixion.

But, you knew that.

Here is a quote from the Encyclopedia Britannica concerning the testimony of the many independent secular accounts of Jesus of Nazareth: "These independent accounts prove that in ancient times even the opponents of Christianity never doubted the historicity of Jesus, which was disputed for the first time and on inadequate grounds by several authors at the end of the 18th, during the 19th, and at the beginning of the 20th centuries."

[link to www.thedevineevidence.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

otherwise God does exist?

of course you are entitled to your opinion, but to state this as a fact presupposes that you are privy to some proof.

if so please share.

otherwise.... God does not exist.

then you, christian, who burned all those books, tortured all those people, put your holidays on top of all others to deny what they were really about, turned natives into alcoholics so they would rely on you and forced your religion on them, you who erased the beliefs and memories of dozens of gods until they were forgotten and no longer exist,

are a murderer.

Actually... God is the only thing that exists.

and at the moment Jesus died on the cross, the sun darkened, there was an earthquake, and dead saints rose from their graves and walked into town.

and on the third day after the crucifixion, the tombstone rolled away, and a giant cross walked out, and God said from the clouds, "is it done?" and the giant cross said "it is done."

actually, we are saying the same thing. i believe in god, admittedly i can not present to you empirical proof of his existence.

you may not. but surely you, in good conscience, can not give me proof that he does not exist.

there you have it. God does not exist.

Evidence that God does not exist, does not exist.

not just evidence, but proof: prayer has no effect.

God is not obligated to answer any prayers. Every person must enjoy or suffer the consequences of his or her actions from this life and from past lives. Just because prayer is not answered doesn't make it proof. There are many vedic systems of philosophy that establish the truth of God.

The first of six Vedic philosophical systems, Nyaya (logic), offers three proofs of the existence of God:

1. existence of order in nature and man (teleological argument)

It establishes intelligent design but it is not clear how many beings were involved in creating the order and if they were supreme or not.

2. existence of different conditions for different living beings (different karma of individuals must come from higher intelligence)

This argument is used for example by King Prthu in SB 4.21.27: 'My dear respectable ladies and gentlemen, according to the authoritative statements of sastra, there must be a supreme authority who is able to award the respective benefits of our present activities. Otherwise, why should there be persons who are unusually beautiful and powerful both in this life and in the life after death?'

3. existence of revealed scriptures which basically speak about the same topics and one God


In a debate concerning the question "Does God Exist?" atheists frequently assert that the entire burden of proof rests on theists. This, however, is a false assertion. As philosopher William Lane Craig has stated, when an interrogative such as "Does God Exist?" is debated each side must shoulder the burden of proof and provide support for what they consider to be the correct answer. This is unlike debating a proposition such as God does exist, where the burden of proof rests entirely with the affirmative side.

It follows then that when debating the question of God's existence, both the theist and the atheist are obligated to provide support for their position. The theist should insist that the atheist provide proof as to God's alleged nonexistence. This, however, leads to a logical bind for the atheist.

By definition, atheism is the world-view that denies the existence of God. To be more specific, traditional atheism (or offensive atheism) positively affirms that there never was, is not now, and never will be a God in or beyond the world. But can this dogmatic claim be verified?

The atheist cannot logically prove God's nonexistence. And here's why: to know that a transcendent God does not exist would require a perfect knowledge of all things (omniscience). To attain this knowledge would require simultaneous access to all parts of the world and beyond (omnipresence). Therefore, to be certain of the atheist's claim one would have to possess godlike characteristics. Obviously, mankind's limited nature precludes these special abilities. The offensive atheist's dogmatic claim is therefore unjustifiable. As logician Mortimer Adler has pointed out, the atheist's attempt to prove a universal negative is a self-defeating proposition. The theist should therefore emphasize that the offensive atheist is unable to provide a logical disproof of God's existence.

This point can be forcefully emphasized by asking the atheist if he has ever visited the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C. The library presently contains over 70 million items (books, magazines, journals, etc.). Hundreds of thousands of these were written by scholars and specialists in the various academic fields. Then ask the following question: 'What percentage of the collective knowledge recorded in the volumes in this library would you say are within your own pool of knowledge and experience?' The atheist will likely respond, 'I don't know. I guess a fraction of one percent.' You can then ask: 'Do you think it is logically possible that God may exist in the 99.9 percent that is outside your pool of knowledge and experience?' Even if the atheist refuses to admit the possibility, you have made your point and he knows it.

'I don't believe in God because there is so much evil in the world.'

Many atheists consider the problem of evil an airtight proof that God does not exist. They often say something like: 'I know there is no God because if He existed, He never would have allow all those atrocities in history to happen.'

A good approach to an argument like this is to say something to this effect: 'Since you brought up this issue, the burden lies on you to prove that evil actually exists in the world. So let me ask you: by what criteria do you judge some things to be evil and other things not to be evil? By what process do you distinguish evil from good?' The atheist may hedge and say: 'I just know that some things are evil. It's obvious.' Don't accept such an evasive answer. Insist that he tells you how he knows that some things are evil. This way he is forced to face the illogical foundation of his belief system.

Then point out to him that it is impossible to distinguish evil from good unless one has an infinite reference point which is absolutely good. Otherwise one is like a boat at sea on a cloudy night without a compass (i.e., there would be no way to distinguish north from south without the absolute reference point of the compass needle).

The infinite reference point for distinguishing good from evil can only be found in the person of God, for God alone can exhaust the definition of 'absolutely good.' If God does not exist, then there are no moral absolutes by which one can judge something (or someone) as being evil. More specifically, if God does not exist, there is no ultimate basis to judge the crimes. Seen in this light, the reality of evil actually requires the existence of God, rather than disproving it.

At this point, the atheist may raise the objection that if God does in fact exist, then why hasn't He dealt with the problem of evil in the world. You can disarm this objection by pointing out that God is dealing with the problem of evil, but in a progressive way. The false assumption on the part of the atheist is that God's only choice is to deal with evil all at once in a single act. God, however, is dealing with the problem of evil through His justice system (dharma-karma-samsara).

If the atheist responds that it shouldn't take such long time for an omnipotent God to solve the problem of evil, you might respond by saying: 'Ok. Hypothetically speaking, let's say that at this very moment, God declared that all evil in the world will now simply cease to exist. Practically every human being on the planet would simply vanish into oblivion. Would this solution be preferable to you?'

The atheist may argue that a better solution must surely be available. He may even suggest that God could have created man in such a way that man would avoid evil altogether. This idea can be countered by pointing out that such a scenario would mean that he would no longer have the capacity to make choices, free will. This scenario would require that God create robots who act only in programmed ways.

If the atheist persists and says there must be a better solution to the problem of evil, suggest a simple test. Give him about five minutes to formulate a solution to the problem of evil that (1) does not destroy human freedom, or (2) cause God to violate His nature (e.g., His attributes of absolute holiness, justice, and mercy) in some way. Don't expect much of an answer.

Last Edited by SaveTheLivingEntities on 12/01/2012 04:29 PM

"oo"

that's only half the truth:
flip nothing(zero)
and it becomes
everything(infinity)

If God does not exist, who designed the physical laws of the universe?

so "God" doesn't answer any prayers, because "God" is not obligated to.

even though every other christian will swear that prayer works every time when trying to prove their god,

even though unbiased third-party studies conclude that praying makes no difference, and if you then say that "God" is playing a cosmic game of peek-a-boo, we can note that christians do not show any of the benefits above average that they should be having from prayer such as success, wealth or health.

in fact, the sect of christians that rely on prayer the most, Christian Science, who refuse doctors and medication in favor of prayer, do in fact suffer a higher mortality rate than normal. their praying does not work.

you christians always ignore the facts and make up lies to get people to believe the rest of your lies.

lies, lies, lies. lies on top of lies. your religion is one mass of bullshit.

stupid question.

answer: nobody.

does anything in nature, right now, require a god to make it work? to make it do what it does? no.

do we see natural things, and nature itself, evolving and changing into something else, from what it was not before? yes.

therefore, is it possible for the entirety of nature as we know it now, to have come into being from what it was not before? yes.

therefore, is it possible for nature and all its "functions", which you call "laws" (being a theist) to have come into existence through some other natural process which we know not of? yes.

therefore it is proven that the universe does not require some deity to have created it.

I'm not Christian. I'm a Gaudiya Vaishnava. Your whole tirade doesn't mean anything to me.

You didn't even read the rest of my post. You never got past the first sentence. Read the rest where I refer to vedic philosophical systems.

Last Edited by SaveTheLivingEntities on 12/01/2012 05:30 PM

Oh, I see you went to Public School. The only public book burning that Christians participated in historically, was when they burned their OWN BOOKS (see Acts). Alexandria, just another lie against Christ and His people. I see you share the same spirit as Nero.

well then





how's that for you

Your Question: does anything in nature, right now, require a god to make it work? to make it do what it does? no.

My Answer: What set nature into motion? Why does nature have laws and constraints? Something must have DESIGNED nature to work. Nature is like a machine, and machines do not invent themselves. They have constraints. How come an apple tree doesn't produce vegetables? Because there are laws. Seeds from a fruit produce trees that grow the same fruit. It's not a random roll of the dice.

How come everything in nature has set patterns? How come there is order instead of chaos?


Your Question: do we see natural things, and nature itself, evolving and changing into something else, from what it was not before? yes.

My Answer: What causes this process? Why does it happen? How come it does so in an orderly process? Under whose direction is this evolution going on? The answer is given in the Vedas.

God has various energies which are all explained in this vedas. By his energies he pervades all of creation, which includes an UNLIMITED NUMBER OF UNIVERSES according to the vedas.

Just like the sun light can pervade the entire sky while being millions of miles away, God can also pervade the entire creation even while existing outside of creation.


Your Question: therefore, is it possible for the entirety of nature as we know it now, to have come into being from what it was not before? yes.


My Answer: If you accept the plausibility that something can come from nothing, then how can you reject the idea that something can come from God? It's probably due to your misconceptions about God and your limited fund of information.

The Vedic texts explain everything about God. There are no mysteries. Maybe you should acknowledge your tiny knowledge base and accept the fact that there is something out there that you might not know.


Your Question: therefore, is it possible for nature and all its "functions", which you call "laws" (being a theist) to have come into existence through some other natural process which we know not of? yes.

therefore it is proven that the universe does not require some deity to have created it.


My Answer: You haven't really proven anything. All you have done is speculated. You have speculated on the possibility of something arising from nothing.

No where in all of creation do we experience something coming from nothing.

I will let your own bullshit speak for itself. and, christians still burn books today. there was one at a church in my town just last month.