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A simple checllist to see just WHO you really serve. LIGHT or DARKNESS. Check your FRUITS.

 
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A simple checllist to see just WHO you really serve. LIGHT or DARKNESS. Check your FRUITS.
The telltale traits of LIGHT.

Forgiveness...forgiving no matter what the cost.

Humility...never puffing onself up and thinking you are "Chosen" or "Special" or "Better" than anyone else.

Mercy...showing mercy especially where none is actually deserved. This ties in with Forgiveness...and requires humility to operate.

Love..keeps no record of wrongs done. Gives of self freely and with joy to all without exemtion of class or status.
Will sacrifice self for the sake of another. never condemns another and always sees the good and hopes for the good of others.

Self sacrifice...tied in with Love. Will lay aside self for others no matter the cost to self. Will die to protect others and will go without meeting its own needs to meet the needs of others without regard to status or position. Tied in with Love and Mercy.

Gentleness...does not force itself on others. Speaks gently and with humilty. Does not threaten or force others and does not demand to be heard or to get its own way.

Meekness...ability to suffer the stubborness of others without getting all worked up. Can see past the surface to what lies beneath but does not force its opnion even when it knows it is in the "Right" Will speak with a gentle spirit and always strive never to draw attention to itself.


Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.



The telltale traits of DARKNESS..

UN-Forgiveness...Never forgiving no matter what.

PRIDE...always puffing onself up and thinking you are "Chosen" or "Special" or "Better" than anyone else.

Mercilessness...showing no mercy especially where mercy is actually deserved. This ties in with UN-Forgiveness...and requires pride to operate.

Hate..keeps extensive and detailed record of wrongs done. Thinks and panders to self consistently with cold indifferent spite to all without exemtion of class or status. Will never sacrifice self for the sake of another. Always condemns another and always sees the worst and hopes for the downfall and "Judgment and torment" of others.

Selfisness...tied in with Hate. Will never lay aside self for others no matter the cost or pain caused to others. Would rather die than protect others and will constantly go about meeting its own needs at the expense of the needs of others without regard to status or position. Tied in with hate and Mercilessness.

Haughtiness...will always force itself on others. Speaks abruptly and with pride. Will alway threaten or force others to see its opinion and constantly demands to be heard or to get its own way

Pride...INability to suffer the stubborness of others without getting all worked up. Can't see past the surface to what lies beneath and always forces its opnion even when it knows it is in the "Wrong" Will speak with a haughty and arrogant spirit and always strives to draw attention to itself.


Cowardice...The INability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Will always seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear on a consistent basis and always does and says what the fear dictates to it to do and always gives in to it. Will always flee from battle with terror and steadfast resolve to do what is wrong at whatever cost to others.

Arrogance...always sees itself as "On top" and sees all others as "Nothings" not worthy of any mercy or consideration. Ties in with Pride and hate as arrogance breeds both.
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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How can extreme love be a bad thing?

If everyone loved everyone there would be no more death and suffering.

If everyone put everyone else first and gave instead of taking there would be no want or starvation.

That is a bad thing?
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utopic
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I'm a kinda "middle of the road" kinda guy, myself.

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You have to follow your own path, extreme goodness can b descrutive. Watch out
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extreme is bad


I find myself on the light side in most cases

but, lets say someone breaks into your house and is raping your daughter, you come home as he is trying to leave

you get him down and can

1) Let him go and show him extreme love and forgiveness

2) Beat the hell out of him can call the cops

3) Kill him



Notice how 1 and 3 are the EXTREMES and aren't a;ways the best choice

The golden rule - moderation and balance
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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How can extreme love be a bad thing?

If everyone loved everyone there would be no more death and suffering.

If everyone put everyone else first and gave instead of taking there would be no want or starvation.

That is a bad thing?
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Well have you ever seen a homicide due to lover infatuation? That's how.
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Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

So how do you march into battle for what's right with meekness, humility, love, mercy, humility, and gentleness?

I'm talking real battle, psychical as well as spiritual/emotional

The battle should never happen in the first place if Forgiveness is ones 1st principle.

In fact most of the attributes you mention for Light would prevent a practitioner from battle.

No battle and evil wins.

Psycho/sociopaths reek havoc on the Light.

See the dilemma?
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extreme is bad


I find myself on the light side in most cases

but, lets say someone breaks into your house and is raping your daughter, you come home as he is trying to leave

you get him down and can

1) Let him go and show him extreme love and forgiveness

2) Beat the hell out of him can call the cops

3) Kill him



Notice how 1 and 3 are the EXTREMES and aren't a;ways the best choice

The golden rule - moderation and balance
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Thats true.

But thats courage and sacrificing onself for the sake of others is it not?

You find a person doing that to someone you love. They could kill you if you try to stop them but because of "Love" and the drive to sacrifice your own safety for the sake of others you press in with courage and self sacrifice to defend the weak.

What you have described is all the traits of Light.

You can forgive that person but you also must stop the attack.

Justice is the attack on the person perpetrating the evil act. But once the perp is subdued and the innocent save from further harm the true test of light is will you then forgive that person in order to show him what love is and in so doing reach past the hate and evil which drove the perp to the attack and expose that darkened heart to light?

Could you do that?

Could you do the same thing if the attack wat hapenning to someone you had no connection to?
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guess I'm going to hell
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Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

So how do you march into battle for what's right with meekness, humility, love, mercy, humility, and gentleness?

I'm talking real battle, psychical as well as spiritual/emotional

The battle should never happen in the first place if Forgiveness is ones 1st principle.

In fact most of the attributes you mention for Light would prevent a practitioner from battle.

No battle and evil wins.

Psycho/sociopaths reek havoc on the Light.

See the dilemma?
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No dilemma.

Where evil abounds its because those who claim to bear the light do nothing to stop it.

That is cowardice and selfishness which are traits of darkness.
To do nothing in the face of injustice and evil is to take sides with the injustice and evil.

Courage requires battle on behalf of the weak. To lay onself down for another to do what is right regardless of the cost.
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OP

I am on laptop now so (hopefully) will not make so many typos.

You have a good heart and this world, unfortunately, has
many black hearts crawling around.

They will sniff your kind out, and use you up. Unless, of course, you REALIZE the difference between being loving and
being a moran.

Moran= Sacrifice to everyone, even demons and asshats.

Loving= Understanding that many people are morans, but
you care for them anyway, WITHOUT sacrificing yourself.

Cheers
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OP

I am on laptop now so (hopefully) will not make so many typos.

You have a good heart and this world, unfortunately, has
many black hearts crawling around.

They will sniff your kind out, and use you up. Unless, of course, you REALIZE the difference between being loving and
being a moran.

Moran= Sacrifice to everyone, even demons and asshats.

Loving= Understanding that many people are morans, but
you care for them anyway, WITHOUT sacrificing yourself.

Cheers
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Being on the side of light does not mean sitting back and being walked over by evil.

Thats the trait of darkness called "Cowardice" which is to refuse to fight evil.

If you refuse to fight evil you are not on the side of light but of darkness.

To be on the side of light means to use courage and self sacrifice which means using wisdom to know where and when to fight.

If someone attacks you there is a right of defense if it causes harm to others who are innocent.

If you do not defend yourself or others it is cowardice and selfishness.

To be of the light does not mean to be a whimp. It means to be a true warrior.
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Are you innocent too? Why do you feel the need to protect
the innocent?

Smells like arrogance.

ahh, I am in a cocky mood. Most definetly fight for good against all odds.

Just older now, and wasted alot of energy on people who
just lapped it up and continued being evil.

Was just warning you.

Maybe you will have a different experience, and I Hope
You do!!
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Are you innocent too? Why do you feel the need to protect
the innocent?

Smells like arrogance.

ahh, I am in a cocky mood. Most definetly fight for good against all odds.

Just older now, and wasted alot of energy on people who
just lapped it up and continued being evil.

Was just warning you.

Maybe you will have a different experience, and I Hope
You do!!
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If you fight evil with evil you just double the evil.

If you fight evil with good you might not always win every battle but the winning of the war is certain.

Water always puts out fire.

Some houses get burnt down and some lives are lost.

But in the end evil devours itself and water will kill it in the end.

The water is the good and the fire is the evil.
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Carry on my wayward son.........

there will be peace when you are done.


*kansas* I think? lol one of them seventies bands.

I found my peace, and have passed the torch.

Ying/Yang

Good/Evil

Makes a good drama that is everlasting.

Yet, I know aboulety nothing. Mean it, don't get
this game at all. Other than there will always
be good vs evil.

Now just an observer.
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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How can extreme love be a bad thing?

If everyone loved everyone there would be no more death and suffering.

If everyone put everyone else first and gave instead of taking there would be no want or starvation.

That is a bad thing?
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You contradict yourself. How can ONE GIVE without another TAKING? In the end, we will all TAKE at some point.
You may fool me once. But twice is unlikely
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Nuke the bastards.
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Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

So how do you march into battle for what's right with meekness, humility, love, mercy, humility, and gentleness?

I'm talking real battle, psychical as well as spiritual/emotional

The battle should never happen in the first place if Forgiveness is ones 1st principle.

In fact most of the attributes you mention for Light would prevent a practitioner from battle.

No battle and evil wins.

Psycho/sociopaths reek havoc on the Light.

See the dilemma?
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utopic
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Frigging gay if anything.
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darkness:

ignorance of the facts.

suppression of dissent.

eradication of contrary beliefs.

belief in superstition.

worship of tyrannical deities.



darkness:

christianity.
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The telltale traits of LIGHT.

Forgiveness...forgiving no matter what the cost.

Humility...never puffing onself up and thinking you are "Chosen" or "Special" or "Better" than anyone else.

Mercy...showing mercy especially where none is actually deserved. This ties in with Forgiveness...and requires humility to operate.

Love..keeps no record of wrongs done. Gives of self freely and with joy to all without exemtion of class or status.
Will sacrifice self for the sake of another. never condemns another and always sees the good and hopes for the good of others.

Self sacrifice...tied in with Love. Will lay aside self for others no matter the cost to self. Will die to protect others and will go without meeting its own needs to meet the needs of others without regard to status or position. Tied in with Love and Mercy.

Gentleness...does not force itself on others. Speaks gently and with humilty. Does not threaten or force others and does not demand to be heard or to get its own way.

Meekness...ability to suffer the stubborness of others without getting all worked up. Can see past the surface to what lies beneath but does not force its opnion even when it knows it is in the "Right" Will speak with a gentle spirit and always strive never to draw attention to itself.


Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

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What contradictory and cowardly bullshit.

Here is what I believe. I believe in CONSEQUENCES. If someone does something unforgivable then they are OUT of my life. According to your bullshit I should just forgive them, keep them in my life and let them screw me over again.

And you know what pride is a GOOD thing. If you aren't proud of yourself then maybe there is a fucking reason for it eh?

So take your moralistic, better-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass.
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The telltale traits of LIGHT.

Forgiveness...forgiving no matter what the cost.

Humility...never puffing onself up and thinking you are "Chosen" or "Special" or "Better" than anyone else.

Mercy...showing mercy especially where none is actually deserved. This ties in with Forgiveness...and requires humility to operate.

Love..keeps no record of wrongs done. Gives of self freely and with joy to all without exemtion of class or status.
Will sacrifice self for the sake of another. never condemns another and always sees the good and hopes for the good of others.

Self sacrifice...tied in with Love. Will lay aside self for others no matter the cost to self. Will die to protect others and will go without meeting its own needs to meet the needs of others without regard to status or position. Tied in with Love and Mercy.

Gentleness...does not force itself on others. Speaks gently and with humilty. Does not threaten or force others and does not demand to be heard or to get its own way.

Meekness...ability to suffer the stubborness of others without getting all worked up. Can see past the surface to what lies beneath but does not force its opnion even when it knows it is in the "Right" Will speak with a gentle spirit and always strive never to draw attention to itself.


Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

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What contradictory and cowardly bullshit.

Here is what I believe. I believe in CONSEQUENCES. If someone does something unforgivable then they are OUT of my life. According to your bullshit I should just forgive them, keep them in my life and let them screw me over again.

And you know what pride is a GOOD thing. If you aren't proud of yourself then maybe there is a fucking reason for it eh?

So take your moralistic, better-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass.
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I take it you kinda like the dark side of things?

Forgiving someone does not mean letting them stay in your life..

It just means not letting what they did to you get you down forever.

Forgiveness also means in its essence to NOT hurt them for hurting you.

Ive been hurt plenty. But what I did even in the pain of betrayal was chose NOT to retaliate and bring myself down to their level.

Fire cannot put out fire.

Forgiving someone does not mean being a dorrmat. But it also means not being a mad cannon shooting everyone dead who ever hurt you either with words or actions.

Bear the pain and move on.

You keep these people IN your life by always mulling over what they did.

If you find yourself ten years down the track still angry at them..they are STILL in your life even if you have not seen them in ten years.
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The telltale traits of LIGHT.

Forgiveness...forgiving no matter what the cost.

Humility...never puffing onself up and thinking you are "Chosen" or "Special" or "Better" than anyone else.

Mercy...showing mercy especially where none is actually deserved. This ties in with Forgiveness...and requires humility to operate.

Love..keeps no record of wrongs done. Gives of self freely and with joy to all without exemtion of class or status.
Will sacrifice self for the sake of another. never condemns another and always sees the good and hopes for the good of others.

Self sacrifice...tied in with Love. Will lay aside self for others no matter the cost to self. Will die to protect others and will go without meeting its own needs to meet the needs of others without regard to status or position. Tied in with Love and Mercy.

Gentleness...does not force itself on others. Speaks gently and with humilty. Does not threaten or force others and does not demand to be heard or to get its own way.

Meekness...ability to suffer the stubborness of others without getting all worked up. Can see past the surface to what lies beneath but does not force its opnion even when it knows it is in the "Right" Will speak with a gentle spirit and always strive never to draw attention to itself.


Courage...The ability to face any foe or situation without wavering. Does not seek to save self at the expense of others. Feels fear as is natural but does not give in to it. Marches into battle with character and steadfast resolve to do what is right at whatever cost.

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What contradictory and cowardly bullshit.

Here is what I believe. I believe in CONSEQUENCES. If someone does something unforgivable then they are OUT of my life. According to your bullshit I should just forgive them, keep them in my life and let them screw me over again.

And you know what pride is a GOOD thing. If you aren't proud of yourself then maybe there is a fucking reason for it eh?

So take your moralistic, better-than-thou attitude and shove it up your ass.
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I take it you kinda like the dark side of things?

Forgiving someone does not mean letting them stay in your life..

It just means not letting what they did to you get you down forever.

Forgiveness also means in its essence to NOT hurt them for hurting you.

Ive been hurt plenty. But what I did even in the pain of betrayal was chose NOT to retaliate and bring myself down to their level.

Fire cannot put out fire.

Forgiving someone does not mean being a dorrmat. But it also means not being a mad cannon shooting everyone dead who ever hurt you either with words or actions.

Bear the pain and move on.

You keep these people IN your life by always mulling over what they did.

If you find yourself ten years down the track still angry at them..they are STILL in your life even if you have not seen them in ten years.
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Yeah this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Well, thinking back to when the romans tossed the christians to the lions and the lions happily ate them, I'd say its more inline to be smart, clever, aware and ready to adjust to the situation that makes one a winner.
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I second the vote for moderation since if you believe that you are only of the light and love" then you are lying.
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I second the vote for moderation since if you believe that you are only of the light and love" then you are lying.
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And we all know lying is a trait of darkness.

Them new agers and 99% of christians have a lot of rethinking to do about what side they are really on dont they?
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Fail

I serve both.
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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How can extreme love be a bad thing?

If everyone loved everyone there would be no more death and suffering.

If everyone put everyone else first and gave instead of taking there would be no want or starvation.

That is a bad thing?
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Well have you ever seen a homicide due to lover infatuation? That's how.
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That type of situation is not a product of love, but rather of selfishness. Typically, it stems from stumbling upon adultery. A lover is cheating on the soon-to-be-killer and commits a crime of passion. Love would let go of the adulterer, accepting that what was isn't what is best and allowing the object of desire to find what is best. It's attachment to one's own idea of what is best that drives them to kill another. This is a form of selfishness because they are unable to let go of their idea. So instead, because they cannot have the life they desire, they kill to make up for it.

In this thread, the OP has defended himself quite nicely. What he has said is true. The light is gray to bright, while darkness is just that. In darkness, moderation is unattainable.
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Dont forhet either in extreme is bad.
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How can extreme love be a bad thing?

If everyone loved everyone there would be no more death and suffering.

If everyone put everyone else first and gave instead of taking there would be no want or starvation.

That is a bad thing?
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Love isn't necesarily a good thing.

Love is just a force trying to express itself. Plenty of evil things have been done in the world because somebody was overwhelmed by love.

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