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I Just Read Aleister Crowley's Bio

 
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I don't mean to sound naive, but is this the same Mr. Crowley as in the Ozzy Osbourne song?
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yes that would be the alice

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I don't mean to sound naive, but is this the same Mr. Crowley as in the Ozzy Osbourne song?
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yes that would be the alice

wink
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Thank you for not making me feel stupid. I thought it was the same so I appreciate the confirmation. hf
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What exactly, was Crowley's agenda?
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I quote some of this that relates to Crowley but I recommend folks go and read the article from where it came,esp. the parts pertaining to James Holmes -

Snipped -

'In the Aeon of Horus the dualistic approach to religion will be transcended through the abolition of the present notion of a God external to oneself. The two will be united. “Man will no longer worship God as an external factor, as in Paganism, or as an internal state of consciousness, as in Christianity, but will realize his identity with God.” The new Aeon of Horus, based on the union of the male and female polarities, will involve the magical use of semen and ecstasy, culminating in an apotheosis of matter – “in the realization of the old Gnostic notion that matter is not dual but one with the Spirit” — symbolized by the androgynous Baphomet of the Templars and the Illuminati.” -The Great BEAST 666, Aleister Crowley [52]

Sir Crick was speaking to a reporter for The Telegraph and said: “The god hypothesis is rather discredited.” He also once stated that his distaste for religion was a primary driving factor in his research, which he felt would debunk the God theory for good.[53]

The AQUARIANS’ “culture heroes” were the late Margaret Mead of the American Museum of Natural History in New York; the late Sir Julian Huxley, relative of counterculture-founder Aldous Huxley, like him an important British intelligence operative, and the first head of UNESCO; and the late Carl Jung, propagandizer of the “collective racial unconscious” who linked on early to Hitler’s career–not only attended conferences year after year with the Nazi doctors, but wholeheartedly supported every “theory” which underlay the Nazi catastrophe' [link to mindcontrolblackassassins.com]

About James Holmes -

James Holmes and the AlienTemple

John Jacobson is a neuroscientist that worked at the Salk Institute in 2006, when James Holmes was an intern at the institute under his direct supervision(image of the Salk Institute Complex [link to mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com] )
The Salk Institute of Biology is ranked as one of the world’s top biomedical research facilities and is described as “an isolated compound…not unlike monasteries for religious discover” and “A temple of science; a secular monastery where man pursues knowledge of our biological foundations.”[31] The Salk Institute complex in La Jolla has also been described as “science fiction” architecture,[32] and ALIEN.

(James and John Jacobson studied Temporal Illusions,amongst many other Mind Science)

A Bit more about James and John -

Snipped -

'John Jacobson also looks at temporal illusions from a position of an Occultist and “PHILOSOPHER.”'
In 2004, Jacobson co-authored a paper with David Eagleman at the Salk Institute on temporal illusion “Perceived Luminance Depends on Temporal Context” Nature Journal.[34]

Eagleman operates the Lab for Perception and Action in Houston, TX. The Eagleman Lab is funded by the National Institute of Health and DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) in its quest to produce the SUPER TRANSHUMAN SOILDER.[35]

Undoubtedly, Holmes must have gotten glowing references and recommendations from Neuroscientist Jacobson and the Salk Institute to continue his education at U.C. Riverside, UC Colorado and win a taxpayer’s supported competitive training grant in the field of Neuroscience from the U.S. National Institute of Health.

By the way, Jacobson’s colleague, David Eagleman, is Israeli Military Intelligence that earned a Ph.D. in neuroscience at Baylor University. He took a post-doctoral position at Salk Institute of Biology under Francis Crick, co-discoverer of the DNA molecule.[36] [link to mindcontrolblackassassins.com]

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It goes on quite deep if you want to read more.

Excuse the slight tangent : )

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is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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thanks for the post new age deny ya


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I don't mean to sound naive, but is this the same Mr. Crowley as in the Ozzy Osbourne song?
 Quoting: Southern OR


yes that would be the alice

wink
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


Thank you for not making me feel stupid. I thought it was the same so I appreciate the confirmation. hf
 Quoting: Southern OR


aleister wasn't his real name anyhow
I call him alice star for jokes
but ozzy's song about him is awesome

hf
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thanks for the post new age deny ya


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You maybe misunderstood my post.

hf

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I don't mean to sound naive, but is this the same Mr. Crowley as in the Ozzy Osbourne song?
 Quoting: Southern OR


yes that would be the alice

wink
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


Thank you for not making me feel stupid. I thought it was the same so I appreciate the confirmation. hf
 Quoting: Southern OR


aleister wasn't his real name anyhow
I call him alice star for jokes
but ozzy's song about him is awesome

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


I am an Ozzy fan. His music is dark but beautiful. Growing up on the west coast I have heard a lot about the Merry Pranksters. I have an older friend that "participated" in all the 60's had to offer. He has some really interesting views on that time period. Most of it falls in the Strange But True category. He told me about the CIA and MKUltra stuff about 25 years ago. Back then I wondered how much of it was real, but after a few years on GLP it makes much more sense. Hindsight 20/20.
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yes that would be the alice

wink
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


Thank you for not making me feel stupid. I thought it was the same so I appreciate the confirmation. hf
 Quoting: Southern OR


aleister wasn't his real name anyhow
I call him alice star for jokes
but ozzy's song about him is awesome

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


I am an Ozzy fan. His music is dark but beautiful. Growing up on the west coast I have heard a lot about the Merry Pranksters. I have an older friend that "participated" in all the 60's had to offer. He has some really interesting views on that time period. Most of it falls in the Strange But True category. He told me about the CIA and MKUltra stuff about 25 years ago. Back then I wondered how much of it was real, but after a few years on GLP it makes much more sense. Hindsight 20/20.
 Quoting: Southern OR


mysterious and fascinating indeed
hf
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Thank you for not making me feel stupid. I thought it was the same so I appreciate the confirmation. hf
 Quoting: Southern OR


aleister wasn't his real name anyhow
I call him alice star for jokes
but ozzy's song about him is awesome

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


I am an Ozzy fan. His music is dark but beautiful. Growing up on the west coast I have heard a lot about the Merry Pranksters. I have an older friend that "participated" in all the 60's had to offer. He has some really interesting views on that time period. Most of it falls in the Strange But True category. He told me about the CIA and MKUltra stuff about 25 years ago. Back then I wondered how much of it was real, but after a few years on GLP it makes much more sense. Hindsight 20/20.
 Quoting: Southern OR


mysterious and fascinating indeed
hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16951325


When I was young I thought these were just the ramblings of an old hippy. Now I see so much more. I wish I would have written it down.
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What exactly, was Crowley's agenda?
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His egomanical agenda is to interfere and impede the creation of the new earth and the 1000 years of heaven and the continuation of humanity.......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757708


The truth is quite contrary, actually. He (whether intentionally or not) helped to facilitate this 1000 year period of peace. The key to entering this "aeon", as he termed it (do your research, Anonymous), is giving up religious connotations and divisions. This is what the Occult stands for. Occult is the opposite of A Cult. Every religion is a cult through its inherent nature. His agenda was getting people to give this up, which is quite similar to what Christ was trying to do 1900 years before Crowley. He poked fun at fanaticism and blind faith in religious/philosophical/political authority. Many of his adherents didn't get this. Some did. There are many that always have. Typically, they have been dejected and labeled as heretics by the same institutions that need to be overthrown in order for this 1000 period to come about. He was not an egomaniac. If he were, he'd have cared a lot more about his image. He couldn't have cared less about his image, which is why he accepted a villified role as a heretic -- a wicked man. He was standing into direct opposition to egomaniacal methods of control/authoritarian structures.
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


I can c your a fan of this creepo i'm not interested in arguing on my phone.

I know the thoth tarot deck is based on the end time "players" the original illuminati playing cards..... Begotten by abuse of power...
Telling folks they have to b canibals is just wrong and hearing that shit makes u get sick very sick..... "slaughter cattle after a child" sometimes its better not to know....
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Did I lead you that way via a comment link NAM?

hf
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I saw someone say it was his death day on here, then my roommate mentioned it, and I had heard he was influential in new age, so I finally decided to read up on him.
I don't mean to sound naive, but is this the same Mr. Crowley as in the Ozzy Osbourne song?
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Yes, that's what my roommate said, anyway.
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I just respect the way he lived,
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"Crowley would eventually introduce the practice of male homosexual sex magick into O.T.O. as one of the highest degrees of the Order."

Did you enjoy it as much?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28880109


Ritual number 11.

Like the Twin Towers - and their faggotry criminals.

I've heard he was into scat too!

A psychopath. Who fools others with his fantasies.

A shit eater to the core.
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What a bunch of lame pansies who think he was something sinister. Very interesting man.

He lived life to the max, but of course, there can only be one New Age Messiah. sun

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


only one of every snowflake.



Haggard am I, an hyaena; I hunger and howl. Men
think it laughter-ha! ha! ha!
There is nothing movable or immovable under the
firmament of heaven on which I may write the
symbols of the secret of my soul.
Yea, though I were lowered by ropes into the
utmost Caverns and Vaults of Eternity, there is
no word to express even the first whisper of the
Initiator in mine ear: yea, I abhor birth, ululating
lamentations of Night!
Agony! Agony! the Light within me breeds veils; the
song within be dumbness.
God! in what prism may any man analyse my Light?
Immortal are the adepts; and ye hey die-They
die of SHAME unspeakable; They die as the
Gods die, for SORROW.
Wilt thou endure unto THe End, O FRATER
PERDURABO, O Lamp in The Abyss? Thou hast
the Keystone of the Royal Arch; yet the
Apprentices, instead of making bricks, put the
straws in their hair, and think they are Jesus
Christ!
O sublime tragedy and comedy of THE GREAT
WORK!
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What a bunch of lame pansies who think he was something sinister. Very interesting man.

He lived life to the max, but of course, there can only be one New Age Messiah. sun

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


only one of every snowflake.



Haggard am I, an hyaena; I hunger and howl. Men
think it laughter-ha! ha! ha!
There is nothing movable or immovable under the
firmament of heaven on which I may write the
symbols of the secret of my soul.
Yea, though I were lowered by ropes into the
utmost Caverns and Vaults of Eternity, there is
no word to express even the first whisper of the
Initiator in mine ear: yea, I abhor birth, ululating
lamentations of Night!
Agony! Agony! the Light within me breeds veils; the
song within be dumbness.
God! in what prism may any man analyse my Light?
Immortal are the adepts; and ye hey die-They
die of SHAME unspeakable; They die as the
Gods die, for SORROW.
Wilt thou endure unto THe End, O FRATER
PERDURABO, O Lamp in The Abyss? Thou hast
the Keystone of the Royal Arch; yet the
Apprentices, instead of making bricks, put the
straws in their hair, and think they are Jesus
Christ!

O sublime tragedy and comedy of THE GREAT
WORK!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909

The Jesus referred to there is a made up storybook character, and an asshole at that.

thankgoddess
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What exactly, was Crowley's agenda?
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


His egomanical agenda is to interfere and impede the creation of the new earth and the 1000 years of heaven and the continuation of humanity.......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757708


The truth is quite contrary, actually. He (whether intentionally or not) helped to facilitate this 1000 year period of peace. The key to entering this "aeon", as he termed it (do your research, Anonymous), is giving up religious connotations and divisions. This is what the Occult stands for. Occult is the opposite of A Cult. Every religion is a cult through its inherent nature. His agenda was getting people to give this up, which is quite similar to what Christ was trying to do 1900 years before Crowley. He poked fun at fanaticism and blind faith in religious/philosophical/political authority. Many of his adherents didn't get this. Some did. There are many that always have. Typically, they have been dejected and labeled as heretics by the same institutions that need to be overthrown in order for this 1000 period to come about. He was not an egomaniac. If he were, he'd have cared a lot more about his image. He couldn't have cared less about his image, which is why he accepted a villified role as a heretic -- a wicked man. He was standing into direct opposition to egomaniacal methods of control/authoritarian structures.
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


Excellent post, only take exception to the presumption that Jesus actually said the stuff attributed to him. There is massive evidence he did not, and some of the stuff is way too ridiculous to even think about.
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What a bunch of lame pansies who think he was something sinister. Very interesting man.

He lived life to the max, but of course, there can only be one New Age Messiah. sun

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


only one of every snowflake.



Haggard am I, an hyaena; I hunger and howl. Men
think it laughter-ha! ha! ha!
There is nothing movable or immovable under the
firmament of heaven on which I may write the
symbols of the secret of my soul.
Yea, though I were lowered by ropes into the
utmost Caverns and Vaults of Eternity, there is
no word to express even the first whisper of the
Initiator in mine ear: yea, I abhor birth, ululating
lamentations of Night!
Agony! Agony! the Light within me breeds veils; the
song within be dumbness.
God! in what prism may any man analyse my Light?
Immortal are the adepts; and ye hey die-They
die of SHAME unspeakable; They die as the
Gods die, for SORROW.
Wilt thou endure unto THe End, O FRATER
PERDURABO, O Lamp in The Abyss? Thou hast
the Keystone of the Royal Arch; yet the
Apprentices, instead of making bricks, put the
straws in their hair, and think they are Jesus
Christ!

O sublime tragedy and comedy of THE GREAT
WORK!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909

The Jesus referred to there is a made up storybook character, and an asshole at that.

:thankgoddess:
 Quoting: New Age Messiah


don't worry.

u'll get over it.



Five and forty apprentice masons out of work!
Fifteen fellow-craftsmen out of work!
Three Master Masons out of work!
All these sat on their haunches waiting The Report
of the Sojourner; for THE WORD was lost.
This is the Report of the Sojourners: THE WORD
was LOVE;(23) and its number is An Hundred and
Eleven.
Then said each AMO;(24) for its number is An Hundred
and Eleven.
Each took the Trowel from his LAP,(25) whose number
is AN Hundred and Eleven.
Each called moreover on the Goddess NINA,(26) for
Her number is An Hundred and Eleven.
Yet with all this went The Work awry; for THE
WORD OF THE LAW IS {Theta-Epsilon-Lambda-Eta-Mu-Alpha}
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don't worry.

u'll get over it.



Five and forty apprentice masons out of work!
Fifteen fellow-craftsmen out of work!
Three Master Masons out of work!
All these sat on their haunches waiting The Report
of the Sojourner; for THE WORD was lost.
This is the Report of the Sojourners: THE WORD
was LOVE;(23) and its number is An Hundred and
Eleven.
Then said each AMO;(24) for its number is An Hundred
and Eleven.
Each took the Trowel from his LAP,(25) whose number
is AN Hundred and Eleven.
Each called moreover on the Goddess NINA,(26) for
Her number is An Hundred and Eleven.
Yet with all this went The Work awry; for THE
WORD OF THE LAW IS {Theta-Epsilon-Lambda-Eta-Mu-Alpha}
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Sorry, I don't speak idiot.
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What a coward.
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He wound up a desolate destitute addict and died as a sad lonely old man. He didn't live 'knowing' there was no judgement and only death, he lived as if death did not exist. Talk about extreme delusion.
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I wonder if Crowley had floaters or sinkers. Aleister, I mean. Not Candy. Hers are sinkers no doubt.
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What exactly, was Crowley's agenda?
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


His egomanical agenda is to interfere and impede the creation of the new earth and the 1000 years of heaven and the continuation of humanity.......
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1757708


The truth is quite contrary, actually. He (whether intentionally or not) helped to facilitate this 1000 year period of peace. The key to entering this "aeon", as he termed it (do your research, Anonymous), is giving up religious connotations and divisions. This is what the Occult stands for. Occult is the opposite of A Cult. Every religion is a cult through its inherent nature. His agenda was getting people to give this up, which is quite similar to what Christ was trying to do 1900 years before Crowley. He poked fun at fanaticism and blind faith in religious/philosophical/political authority. Many of his adherents didn't get this. Some did. There are many that always have. Typically, they have been dejected and labeled as heretics by the same institutions that need to be overthrown in order for this 1000 period to come about. He was not an egomaniac. If he were, he'd have cared a lot more about his image. He couldn't have cared less about his image, which is why he accepted a villified role as a heretic -- a wicked man. He was standing into direct opposition to egomaniacal methods of control/authoritarian structures.
 Quoting: Mr. Deadite


Excellent post, only take exception to the presumption that Jesus actually said the stuff attributed to him. There is massive evidence he did not, and some of the stuff is way too ridiculous to even think about.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

'Massive evidence'? Can you point to one single piece of evidence. I am not talking about some vague reference. Is there one piece of specific, concrete evidence you can point to?
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He may have been intelligent. But he went to the dark side.
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Supposedly fathered, illegitimately, Barbra Bush
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There is an autobiography,"The confessions", a long read, a good proportion of which pertains to his mountain climbing exploits. Wade through..
Very humourous in places,
I recommend it.
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lol died a decrepit H head
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Supposedly fathered, illegitimately, Barbra Bush
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no, he IS barbara bush
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Ian Fleming knew him and based some of james Bond's villains on him.
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I recently read the bio of Phil Anselmo of Pantera. Very similar to Crowley.
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lol died a decrepit H head
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He was prescribed Heroin for his asthma, a common practice at the time.
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Excellent post, only take exception to the presumption that Jesus actually said the stuff attributed to him. There is massive evidence he did not, and some of the stuff is way too ridiculous to even think about.
 Quoting: New Age Messiah

'Massive evidence'? Can you point to one single piece of evidence. I am not talking about some vague reference. Is there one piece of specific, concrete evidence you can point to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27905037


It's obvious that neither Paul nor Peter in their letters substantiate a single thing about Jesus' life that has become the myth, i.e. that he was a teacher and a miracle worker, born of a virgin, etc.

Also, in a debate I heard between the founder of the Christian Research Institute and an atheistic scholar, BOTH agreed that Jesus' supposed words were already being said before he lived, i.e. they were little sayings that were making the rounds, similar to proverbs.

His supposed teaching for example about the five virgins forgetting their oil is SO ridiculous, only a zombie could think it wise or divine. The entire conversation about heaven and hell is stupid, especially since there was no mention of either as a place of judgment or reward in the entire Old Testament.

It is obvious, if you read "The Birth of Christianity" that the context of messiah fever that was going on, and the desperation of Jews to get out from under Roman rule, so they could have a "kingdom of god"... it was in this context that Jesus the militant zealot riled for insurrection or a holy war against Rome and was killed for it. The stories of him being a teacher and miracle worker were 100% manufactured after everyone was dead.

The fact that his last words are different depending what gospel, and what happened at the tomb is different depending on which gospel, proves the "gospels" are not "god's word". They were obviously not written by the "apostles" themselves, but INVENTED by whoever for whatever reason.

Last Edited by New Age Messiah on 12/02/2012 03:07 PM
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