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Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation?

 
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Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
So Jesus' 12 disciples are 12 of the ones judging the 12 tribes. There is only one problem with that, it is against the law

It is against the law for a man to be judged by only 1 it has to be two witnesses( Deuteronomy 19:15
One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.) and if 12 disciples are judging 12 tribes that is only 1 person per tribe. The solution to this is there must be another son of man to fulfill this again and have 12 more disciples.

Who would qualify? They would need to be born of a virgin, they would have had to been born before David and come after David, they would have to be the first begotten son of God and also son of man. Let's look at Adam: First begotten son of Jesus(God) nobody else was made the way Adam was, Adam was from the virgin earth and the virgin spirit so Adam could claim to be the first begotten son of God and son of man,born of a virgin if he were to come back as one of the two witnesses.He would have to have a mission. I suppose he could join the 10 lost tribes and 2 tribes of judah and benjamin by telling them about his Father Jesus' plan of salvation and do some miracles like his father Jesus and could glorify Jesus as Jesus glorified his father. We know when God send two witnesses one is always greater than the other, Moses/Aaron, Elijah/Elisha, Joshuah/Zerubabbel, John/Jesus etc and the bible did say God would send Elijah before the great and terrible day of the lord. Yeah I know Jesus had John the baptist(spirit of Elijah) kinda sounds like a father like son thing happening here. So if Adam had 12 disciples he could join his 12 with the other 12 disciples and you have the 24 elders who will judge the 12 tribes of Israel during the 1000 years being 2 persons per tribe judging, a priest and a king.

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We are to understand that these elders whom John saw, were elders who
had been faithful in the work of the ministry and were dead; who belonged to the seven churches, and were then in the paradise of God
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Re: Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation?
Adam, Eve, John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Enoch, Onagar, Mansant, Onamolanonton, Orlandof, Porshunta, Singlangton, Fantad, Orvonon, Maquiventa Melquizedek, 1,2,3 the first, seat numbers 17,18,19,20, seat numbers 21,22,23,24.
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Re: Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation?
Adam, Eve, John the Baptist, Moses, Elijah, Enoch and some more, let me remember.
 Quoting: lw2424


The two witnesses are Adam and Eve. They start the story and they finish the story:

If you are thinking on levels of male and female you are thinking physical, you need to think spiritual; Kings and priests gender instead of male and female:

Just as Jesus had an Elijah so will the last day Adam that is sent to unite the lost 10 tribes with the 2 tribes that make up geographical Israel today, and to glorify his Father Jesus, just as Jesus glorified his Father. Adam will also have 12 disciples just as his father Jesus did, Jesus' 12 and Adams 12 make up the 24 elders. Here is the hierarchy in heaven:


In the beginning of Genesis chapter 1 Adam is the first created in the likeness and image of Jesus and he is created male and female, both gender in one androgenous. Adam is also made in the image and likeness of Jesus so he is a king and a priest because Jesus is King and Priest. Later in chapter 2 when Adam is placed in the garden and is receiving a fleshly body It says there is no help meet for Adam so God put Adam into a sleep and takes one of Adams ribs(sides), in the concordance showing the original Hebrew the word is "tsalah" which means side. Adam had two sides the king side and the priest side. Adam kept the king side and gave the woman the priest side. The bible says all that are spiritual children are kings and priests but there are different levels. In the physical you have male and female but in the spiritual you have kings and priests for there is no need of male and female in the spiritual which galatians 3:28 shows: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

So the levels of kings and priests are this:

1. Jesus King and Priest

2. Adam King Eve Priest

3 24 elders 12 of Jesus disciples and 12 of Adams disciples
twelve will be kings and twelve will be priests there are no male and female genders only kings and priests as spiritual gender.

4. 12 tribes of Israel are kings and priests

Jesus gave the kingdom of priests and kings to Adam
Adam gave half the kingdom to Eve by giving one side(Priest) to Eve.

Eve being priest gives half of what she received from Adam to the 12 disciples of Adam to judge the 12 tribes

Adam being king gives half of what he has left to the 12 disciples of Jesus to judge the 12 tribes

The 12 elders that have received the portion of Priest from Eve give half of what they received to half the 12 tribes so they become priests

The 12 elders that have received the portion of king from Adam give half of what they received to the other half and they become priest and you see the differennt levels of the kingdom of God
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Hmmm just a thought but, they could be the 12 kings and 12 queens to the tribes or zodiac or dimensions making a total of 24, anyways just a thought to share

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Hmmm just a thought but, they could be the 12 kings and 12 queens to the tribes or zodiac or dimensions making a total of 24, anyways just a thought to share

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 Quoting: ELLE SPIRIT


When we become a child of the kingdom through faith in what jesus did on the cross we become either a king or a priest. Don't be distracted by the facade of male and female that we live in. The only purpose of the flesh and being male and female is to populate the earth. Once in christ we are not seen as male or female. Some who are born again are priests and some are kings so in the physical a female could be a king or a preist and the same with a male.
Galatans 3:28 shows: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Re: Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation?
The twelve sons of Israel and the twelve Apostles.
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Hmmm just a thought but, they could be the 12 kings and 12 queens to the tribes or zodiac or dimensions making a total of 24, anyways just a thought to share

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 Quoting: ELLE SPIRIT


When we become a child of the kingdom through faith in what jesus did on the cross we become either a king or a priest. Don't be distracted by the facade of male and female that we live in. The only purpose of the flesh and being male and female is to populate the earth. Once in christ we are not seen as male or female. Some who are born again are priests and some are kings so in the physical a female could be a king or a preist and the same with a male.
Galatans 3:28 shows: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 Quoting: waterman


Ture, if you want to call a woman a king that works too because we are one with each other.

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Hmmm just a thought but, they could be the 12 kings and 12 queens to the tribes or zodiac or dimensions making a total of 24, anyways just a thought to share

Oxx
 Quoting: ELLE SPIRIT


When we become a child of the kingdom through faith in what jesus did on the cross we become either a king or a priest. Don't be distracted by the facade of male and female that we live in. The only purpose of the flesh and being male and female is to populate the earth. Once in christ we are not seen as male or female. Some who are born again are priests and some are kings so in the physical a female could be a king or a preist and the same with a male.
Galatans 3:28 shows: 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
 Quoting: waterman


Ture, if you want to call a woman a king that works too because we are one with each other.

Oxx
 Quoting: ELLE SPIRIT


Here is how Jesus chose his 12...it wasn't because they were male or female it was because they chose to follow Jesus. Jesus started out with hundreds of disciples in the beginning but as more and more of his teachings came about that people didn't understand the more the people dwindled until he had 12 main followers and when Adam comes he will come from a concentration camp after the destruction of the u.s. because the witnesses can't come til they have drank from the cup Jesus drank from and be baptized with the fire Jesus was baptized. When Adam comes he will be the first begotten of God(first born of Jesus) and when he is born into the world will be the son of man just as Jesus claimed so when it says "son of man" it can apply to Adam in the end and here is how Adam will choose his disciples just as his father Jesus did:

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them, "Most certainly I tell you that you who have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on the throne of his glory, you also will sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel

There are 24 thrones so a 'son of man' will come and have 12 main follower and fill the other 12 thrones



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Re: Who are the 24 Elders in Revelation?
The twelve sons of Israel and the twelve Apostles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28892737


That is correct because there are 3 Israels:

1. Jesus
2. Adam
3. The nation

The twelve apostles were the sons of Israel (Jesus)
The twelve sons of Israel will be the 12 disciples of Adam

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