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How about a karma pin my friend?

Actually, I work in the steel industry, didn't think there was one in America anymore did you, and in fact, we make a lot of specialy pipe for the oil and gas people. Yesterday there was a discussion about the natural gas subject and it was mentioned that with all of the fracking and gas drilling they have been doing over the last few years, there are nows hundreds and hundreds of wells that have been drilled, set up, and capped because the infrastructure that exists simply cannot handle the voulme of natural gas that is available, ready to pump out of these wells.

If this is an indication of all of the activity that has been going on recently, it is no suprise that problems would be on the rise because it seems to me that whenever man screws around with nature, he always seems the fuck it up. It is NOT good.
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The magma is pushing out everywhere and the crust is fracturing everywhere. Heated hydrates in the deep ocean become gaseous methane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24009796

Exactly but in quantities far greater than what anyone has been told. The volume of the release is so massive that scientists around the world are currently being gathered together in desperation to try to find a solution.
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There is no viable solution. I, for one, see it as a blessing outweighing polar melt. At the time of the Roman occupation of Britain they had vineyards in Manchester. No way in hell can you raise grapes there now. At present some people try South of London with marginal results. Increased temperatures should result in increased evaporation which results in condensation, or rain in other words. A longer growing season, a more north agricultural region and especially - rain. Considering increasing population- more food. All in all, might be a good thing.
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How about a karma pin my friend?

Actually, I work in the steel industry, didn't think there was one in America anymore did you, and in fact, we make a lot of specialy pipe for the oil and gas people. Yesterday there was a discussion about the natural gas subject and it was mentioned that with all of the fracking and gas drilling they have been doing over the last few years, there are nows hundreds and hundreds of wells that have been drilled, set up, and capped because the infrastructure that exists simply cannot handle the voulme of natural gas that is available, ready to pump out of these wells.

If this is an indication of all of the activity that has been going on recently, it is no suprise that problems would be on the rise because it seems to me that whenever man screws around with nature, he always seems the fuck it up. It is NOT good.
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The loss of clean ground water is a huge problem. We don't think we use it, we think we own it. We are the locust people - we even eat the Earth.
Worry is a misuse of the imagination.
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The magma is pushing out everywhere and the crust is fracturing everywhere. Heated hydrates in the deep ocean become gaseous methane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24009796

Exactly but in quantities far greater than what anyone has been told. The volume of the release is so massive that scientists around the world are currently being gathered together in desperation to try to find a solution.
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there is no solution. The Earth is expanding as it always has.
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How about a karma pin my friend?

Actually, I work in the steel industry, didn't think there was one in America anymore did you, and in fact, we make a lot of specialy pipe for the oil and gas people. Yesterday there was a discussion about the natural gas subject and it was mentioned that with all of the fracking and gas drilling they have been doing over the last few years, there are nows hundreds and hundreds of wells that have been drilled, set up, and capped because the infrastructure that exists simply cannot handle the voulme of natural gas that is available, ready to pump out of these wells.

If this is an indication of all of the activity that has been going on recently, it is no suprise that problems would be on the rise because it seems to me that whenever man screws around with nature, he always seems the fuck it up. It is NOT good.
 Quoting: Black Knight


The loss of clean ground water is a huge problem. We don't think we use it, we think we own it. We are the locust people - we even eat the Earth.
 Quoting: Kirk


Understatement of the century my friend. If you ask these drilling clowns what fills up the voids that are left after oil or gas is pumped out, they claim that they pump water down there as a replacement. Seriously, are we that stupid? Like water would just stay there in the first place, and secondly, but more importantly, given the choice between water or oil/gas, which would you rather have anyway? Ever try drinking crude? We are seriously fucked.
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I just 5 starred this. Can't watch vids. Slow dialup. A quick run down on the consequences would be appreciated.
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Tyvm for the *'s, they're needed and appreciated considering the gravity of the info.

The consequences are far reaching and are causing scientists all over the world to recalculate weather models to incorporate this new info, this IS our immediate future NOT 100's of years like we're being told. The consequences are really quite simple to understand, there have been 5 mass extinctions in Earth's history attributed to Methane, that is the short, to the point answer.
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Is this methane release the result of human activities or a solar cycle (or something likewise out of our control)? Also is there any tie in with chemtrails? I am wondering if there are any chemicals that might bond with methane and render it inert or less harmful (although the quantity would have to be massive....)
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How about a karma pin my friend?

Actually, I work in the steel industry, didn't think there was one in America anymore did you, and in fact, we make a lot of specialy pipe for the oil and gas people. Yesterday there was a discussion about the natural gas subject and it was mentioned that with all of the fracking and gas drilling they have been doing over the last few years, there are nows hundreds and hundreds of wells that have been drilled, set up, and capped because the infrastructure that exists simply cannot handle the voulme of natural gas that is available, ready to pump out of these wells.

If this is an indication of all of the activity that has been going on recently, it is no suprise that problems would be on the rise because it seems to me that whenever man screws around with nature, he always seems the fuck it up. It is NOT good.
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The people making the profits only think of their immediate gain and not long term problems. Money drives all decisions - they are unwilling to consider the "pessimistic" view which is that they should anticipate and try to correct problems. Instead they just hope to keep getting rich and that the problems don't crop up until the next generation, and off their watch. Short term thinking is going to kill us in the long run.
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The video explains the arctic undersea sources of this methane release. However, methane releases are also occurring in the melting permafrost of tundra (arctic area soils). Instead of watching a long video, just read this synopsis at link [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
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How about a karma pin my friend?

Actually, I work in the steel industry, didn't think there was one in America anymore did you, and in fact, we make a lot of specialy pipe for the oil and gas people. Yesterday there was a discussion about the natural gas subject and it was mentioned that with all of the fracking and gas drilling they have been doing over the last few years, there are nows hundreds and hundreds of wells that have been drilled, set up, and capped because the infrastructure that exists simply cannot handle the voulme of natural gas that is available, ready to pump out of these wells.

If this is an indication of all of the activity that has been going on recently, it is no suprise that problems would be on the rise because it seems to me that whenever man screws around with nature, he always seems the fuck it up. It is NOT good.
 Quoting: Black Knight




The people making the profits only think of their immediate gain and not long term problems. Money drives all decisions - they are unwilling to consider the "pessimistic" view which is that they should anticipate and try to correct problems. Instead they just hope to keep getting rich and that the problems don't crop up until the next generation, and off their watch. Short term thinking is going to kill us in the long run.
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Yes, it always does and will now.
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I keep thinking about those mammoths in Siberia that died with food in their mouths and bellies. Could that have been a methane extinction - something that killed them while they were standing and then through the weather mechanics they got flash frozen. I think we've been thinking that the freeze killed them but maybe they were dead before they were frozen and the freeze was the later part of the event.
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The magma is pushing out everywhere and the crust is fracturing everywhere. Heated hydrates in the deep ocean become gaseous methane.
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Wasn't that the premise of the film 2012 - the core was heating and forcing crust fracturing?
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I don't know the chemical mechanics but I understand that methane has formaldehyde components which can turn into carbon monoxide - which can kill a person in 3 minutes at sufficient exposure. If there were a massive methane leak and it turned somehow to carbon mono, that would explain the mammoths to me, although it would need to be accompanied by rapid flash freezing.
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I don't know the chemical mechanics but I understand that methane has formaldehyde components which can turn into carbon monoxide - which can kill a person in 3 minutes at sufficient exposure. If there were a massive methane leak and it turned somehow to carbon mono, that would explain the mammoths to me, although it would need to be accompanied by rapid flash freezing.
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That is what makes this thread so interesting, this is all very possible, and may very well have happened before.
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I don't know the chemical mechanics but I understand that methane has formaldehyde components which can turn into carbon monoxide - which can kill a person in 3 minutes at sufficient exposure. If there were a massive methane leak and it turned somehow to carbon mono, that would explain the mammoths to me, although it would need to be accompanied by rapid flash freezing.
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That is what makes this thread so interesting, this is all very possible, and may very well have happened before.
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Well, it's like a detective story except nobody knows the ending!
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I don't know the chemical mechanics but I understand that methane has formaldehyde components which can turn into carbon monoxide - which can kill a person in 3 minutes at sufficient exposure. If there were a massive methane leak and it turned somehow to carbon mono, that would explain the mammoths to me, although it would need to be accompanied by rapid flash freezing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1524722


That is what makes this thread so interesting, this is all very possible, and may very well have happened before.
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Well, it's like a detective story except nobody knows the ending!
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Or the timing. The timing is what's frustrating me, when? Sooner or later?
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Over the last 4 days CERI is showing evidence that the CONUS is experiencing an almost constant LF Harmonic disturbance, what is causing it? No one as of yet has stepped forward to explain this anomaly and there are many unanswered questions as to how it relates to the sinkholes and the active fault and volcanic systems under our feet.

[link to www.ceri.memphis.edu]

In conjunction with this disturbance is new inside intel being released in an exclusive interview on End The Lie Radio on UCY.TV with Madison Rupert at 10pm EST on Monday 12/3 that states the Methane Hydrate Layer is dissolving at a rate that has scientists around the world seriously worried and scrambling for answers as to why it's occurring and how to stave off the affects. This is a WORLD GAME CHANGER my friends, a must hear interview.

[link to ucy.tv]

Are the two related?
 Quoting: siniXster


I just had a nice methane release ... (ahhh ... )
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So the earth is releasing gas before it takes a shit...cool!!! DOOM ON!!!
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I just 5 starred this. Can't watch vids. Slow dialup. A quick run down on the consequences would be appreciated.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20581332

Tyvm for the *'s, they're needed and appreciated considering the gravity of the info.

The consequences are far reaching and are causing scientists all over the world to recalculate weather models to incorporate this new info, this IS our immediate future NOT 100's of years like we're being told. The consequences are really quite simple to understand, there have been 5 mass extinctions in Earth's history attributed to Methane, that is the short, to the point answer.
 Quoting: siniXster


Interesting, so if methane is caused by a heating up reaction...there's really only one thing i can think of that has the capacity to cause such a reaction considering the size of this planet...the sun.

Also interesting how you say there have been 5 mass extinctions before. It is believed we are on the '5th' Sun...due to soon be '6th'.

Interesting times :-)
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Up north abutting Canada, we are having rain and snow melt with amazing temps! i watched a lake bubble, the bubbles rose above the surface and popped, around the size of quarters and larger.

when will we all wake up and break through the lies??
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want more info from this poster!!!!
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The magma is pushing out everywhere and the crust is fracturing everywhere. Heated hydrates in the deep ocean become gaseous methane.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24009796

Exactly but in quantities far greater than what anyone has been told. The volume of the release is so massive that scientists around the world are currently being gathered together in desperation to try to find a solution.
 Quoting: siniXster


there is no solution. The Earth is expanding as it always has.
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It's depressing how many people deny climate change. I know it's common knowledge that most people are stupid but the situation would be dire even if we had everyone on the same page working toward the same goal.

However we are past the point of no return, <50 years away from disastrous effects to our climate and so many people still are proud of their ignorance on the matter.
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If the new models are correct we're actually looking at <10yrs my friend, we are past the point of no return and the situation is more than dire.
 Quoting: siniXster


Actually if you seriously believe in climate change you'll stop with the fringe alarmist shit like this because all it does is prove retarded people who parrot other peoples ideas and deny climate change right when it gets into spooky UFO level conspiracies from secret sources.

The truth is we are in fact past the point of no return, we are looking at serious effects to artic ice in ten years, grow zones are changing and the jet stream is moving north every year changing weather patterns.

With those changes the permafrost is going to be exposed and melt, letting loose all the methane/carbon from millions of years of decaying plant matter that has been sealed under feet of ice.

You are looking at 40% of the worlds population seriously being displaced by 2050 because they live on coastlines and we are exceeding all sea rise expectations because climate change is accelerating.

With the tropical belt expanding and humanity doing nothing to even slow the production of greenhouse gases we are not stopping this, it will destroy our crops, we won't have access to as much arable land and parts of the planet will be outright unlivable.

There is plenty of real evidence from scientists, the NOAA, NASA, independent sources and thousands of scientists and sources of information dating back a hundred years out there if you look for it, so don't hurt the message and encourage anyone stupid and shortsighted enough to outright deny climate change.
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Not sure about the methane hydrate releases but i do know that up in Alaska it has been colder than normal and in Russia it also has been frigid so far this winter...we often get cold spells in the winter but they usually don't last more than two weeks or so ..maybe three ..but we have had cold cold weather for over a month now in a row..doesnt let up much.

Silver lining to the clouds is it might snow for Christmas..yay! That means warmer temperatures ..at least a little warmer.

Its been -18 to -25 degrees F. here ...will be nice to see the temperatures at least into the teens or twenties for a change.

Perhaps it is just a severity problem with the weather right now because of the hydrate releases..making normal temperatures colder and more intense..

Who knows? But i would love to see Alaska turn warm again like it used to be ..eons ago..lol
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Hello gentlemen. I am very much enjoying this thread (as much as one can, considering the subject matter).

I have a theory that I'd like to bounce off of some like-minded individuals regarding this topic. I don't think it would be too much to assume that at least some of you consider our planet a living organism itself, or herself. Many in this community have come to accept the Gaian model.

Tying this in with my studies in the bio-medical field, I believe that our Mother Earth is undergoing some sort of positive feedback mechanism not too dissimilar to childbirth. In childbirth, when the fetus' head begins to press against the cervix, the hormone oxytocin is released into the bloodstream which causes the uterus to contract, further pressing the fetus' head into and through the cervix.

This process continues and increases in intensity until the infant exits the birth canal.

The positive feedback loop also known as a vicious cycle or a runaway train. They are used in nature to accelerate and facilitate change. (Contrary to negative feedback loops which are used to mitigate change or encourage homeostasis).

So the methane in the atmosphere raises global temperatures and causes more methane to be released from its frozen prisons causing an acceleration in the rise of global temperatures.

Whew, that was a really long-winded way to lead into my simple question. I just wanted to make sure everyone was on the same level and I always have a habit of speaking in metaphors and analogies....Continuing with my child-birthing analogy, in your opinion(s), what was the catalyst to start this cycle (pressure on the cervix)? And what is the end state (It's a boy!)?

Or is there an outside force working on Gaia's body, such as an infection? Maybe humanity?
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BEANS. The catalyst was beans. Damn pinto beans.
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where is the interview, i dont have time to read through this, i hate reading through threads, i usually skip pages

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