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POPE SAYS "JESUS WAS NOT BORN ON DECEMBER 25 " ---WTF THEN WHO WAS BORN ON DEC 25---NIMROD?

 
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So god had to die on cross to teach the world?----will you allow your son to die if you see moving truck approching him?----I will save my son
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Last of all, he sent his son to them. 'They will respect my son,' he said. But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, 'This is the heir. Come, let's kill him and take his inheritance.' So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants? Matthew 21:40
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Jesus was never crucified -if yes then prove it ---period
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So god had to die on cross to teach the world?----will you allow your son to die if you see moving truck approching him?----I will save my son
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In the matter of truth Jesus had to get crucified before the people decided to build the Church up.


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No its a story
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Our Lords birth is the Jewish New Year.

The Jewish New Year of this particular year was Sep.25
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"Crucifixion" of the SUN of God:

The solar cross is formed by the ecliptic and celestial equator. On the spring equinox, the SUN of God is "crucified" on the solar cross. On the 2nd day of spring, the SUN of God "hangs" on the cross at the equator. On the 3rd day of spring, the SUN of God rises from the solar cross and begins its "ascension into heaven".

During the astronomical AGE of Pisces, this "crucifixion" of the SUN of God occurred in the constellation of the "SIGN of the fish" (TWO fish). This is the REAL "crucifixion" of the SUN of God that "fed the multitude with TWO FISH".

During the AGE of Pisces, the "SIGN of the fish" was the "SIGN of the cross"

During the AGE of Aquarius, the "BAPTIZER" will be the "SIGN of the cross".

There is no constellation of a "dead crucified man" on the ecliptic. "Jesus" is NOT a "SIGN of the cross". "He" is the "false one", who was given the power and authority of the "BAPTIZER". The "BAPTIZER" returns for the AGE of Aquarius.

On earth, as it is in heaven.
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Pope telling truth----JESUS WAS NOT GOD
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even though the pope is a pedophile satanist I am going to have to agree with him on this one, the Christ was not born on that date no one knows when he was born and the book does not speak of the date of his birth nor does it command people to celebrate it, I just hope this pedo doesn't make up another fake date that would be devastating.
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I feel that the Christian holidays have been paganized rather than the other way around. It's like telling Jesus, hey we already have a holiday on a different day that we really like and will continue to celebrate it in the same way so we will slap your name on it and hope you don't mind but we really don't care what you think anyway.
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I don't think the exact date is written in the bible? Seems plausible to me that they used the end of December since it was already being used by Pagans to celebrate yule. Yule would also explain the Christmas tree - which never made sense to me since evergreen trees do not grow where Jesus was born. No one could ever explain that to me as a kid. Easter is another one that makes no sense to me. What, praytell, do bunnies, chicks, and eggs have to do with crucification? It also convenienty corrolates with the Pagan holiday Ostara, the celebration of spring/ fertility. Hence the bunnies, chicks, and eggs.

Religion kind of freaks me out a little, I stay away from scary things.
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The Christmas tree has only bee around since the Victorian era... so have Christmas crackers, cards and Father Christmas.

Prince Albert and Queen Victoria posed for a rare family photo around a Christmas tree and it's become a 'tradition' since then. No deeper meaning than that. Christmas crackers and cards were just early capitalism!

The original Father Christmas was Old Father Time in some beliefs, Odin in others, etc, etc - all old 'religions'. He wore various colours although blue was common until green took over. Coca cola had him dress in red and he's done so ever since. Originally Old Father Time was celebrated at this time of year because the sun began to rise higher in the sky again - time was continuing to move forwards after it seemed as though it was stopping. It was a great reason to celebrate with a feast. Father Christmas began brining good children gifts in the Victorian era - a great way to get kids to behave themselves.

Yule is the real celebration although there are problem even older celebrations that were made at this time of year. Gold decorations are used to resemble wealth (and the hope of it). Red decorations are used for luck and prosperity. Ponsetta's are often given as gifts because they're red and you'd want the gift receiver to receive luck for the coming year. It's the same with red wrapping paper and bows... maybe it's where Coca Cola got the idea to dress Father Christmas in red.

Christmas has nothing to do with celebrating Christ's birth although some Christian religions use it to do so. It's definitely not a secret that he wasn't born at this time of year. Shepherds tending their flock in the fields is a huge clue that he wasn't born in the depth of winter!

As for Easter - you're correct about Oestra, fertility, baby chicks, lambs, etc - they represent new beginnings. Christ's rising again also represents a new beginning. That's why there's no fixed date for Easter and it's always celebrated after the first full moon in March. It's a very old celebration.

The Christian churches don't keep these things secret but they just don't tell people unless they're asked. Hidden in plain sight! All of this information is easy to research from reliable sources and not scary at all. It's very interesting to me but I love history.

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Christmas os about saint nicholas not about jesus. That was bs started by christian leaders who wanted control over populations.
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Jesus was a Pisces... Only Pisces believe that their death could bring about the salvation of others.

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So god had to die on cross to teach the world?----will you allow your son to die if you see moving truck approching him?----I will save my son
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1408864


In the matter of truth Jesus had to get crucified before the people decided to build the Church up.


Sun Nov 9/17/12
 Quoting: New Jerusalem Russ


Hmmm... a lot of how the church got built up is to do with Peter and not Jesus Christ.

Peter was the first Pope of Rome. Peter denied Jesus 3 times. Peter entered the tomb to confirm Jesus' body wasn't there. Peter was the first to see Jesus when he was resurrected.

John Vidmar writes:
"Both Catholic and Protestant scholars agree that Peter had an authority that superseded that of the other apostles. Peter is their spokesman at several events, he conducts the election of Matthias, his opinion in the debate over converting Gentiles was crucial, etc."

In the 2nd century, Irenaeus of Lyons believed that Peter and Paul had been the founders of the Church in Rome.

Peter, Peter, Peter... things that make you go hmmm!

There's plenty more to be read about Peter and the Christian church as we know it.
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I feel that the Christian holidays have been paganized rather than the other way around. It's like telling Jesus, hey we already have a holiday on a different day that we really like and will continue to celebrate it in the same way so we will slap your name on it and hope you don't mind but we really don't care what you think anyway.
 Quoting: Hunter of Truth


Christianity is only 2000 years old so how could older holidays/festivals/celebrations have been 'Paganized' when Paganism is much older than 2000 years? Most of these holidays/festivals/celebrations are even older than Paganism.

It's all very much out in the open... the information/history is available to be researched.
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dec 25th initially was a celebration of the 'conception', never the birth. Due to there being NO biblical justification for christmas, this should not surprise anyone..
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Christmas os about saint nicholas not about jesus. That was bs started by christian leaders who wanted control over populations.
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Since the Victorian era but the festival of Yule is much older and there are festivals even older than Yule.

Through the first half of the 19th century, Presbyterians, Baptists, Quakers and other Protestants continued to regard December 25th as a day without religious significance, a day for normal business. This was not a neutral stance, rather Christmas observance was seen as inconsistent with gospel worship. Industrialists were happy to reduce workers' leisure time and allowed many fewer holidays than existed in Europe.

All of this began to change as a new understanding of family life and the place of children was emerging. Childhood was coming to be seen as a stage of life in which greater protection, sheltering, training and education were needed. And so the season came gradually to be tamed, turning toward shops and home. St. Nicholas, too, took on new attributes to fit the changing times.

1821 brought some new elements with publication of the first lithographed book in America, the Children's Friend. This "Sante Claus" arrived from the North in a sleigh with a flying reindeer. The anonymous poem and illustrations proved pivotal in shifting imagery away from a saintly bishop. Sante Claus fit a didactic mode, rewarding good behavior and punishing bad,...

Initially oopposed to Christmas observance, by the 1850s Sunday Schools had discovred that a Christms tree, Santa and gifts, greatly improved attendance. So, in a strange twist of fate, the new "secular" Santa Claus, no longer seen as a religious figure, helped return Christmas observance to churches....

Santa was then portrayed by dozens of artists in a wide variety of styles, sizes, and colors. However by the end of the 1920s, a standard American Santa—life-sized in a red, fur-trimmed suit—had emerged from the work of N. C. Wyeth, J. C. Leyendecker, Norman Rockwell and other popular illustrators. The image was solidified before Haddon Sundblom, in 1931, began thirty-five years of Coca-Cola Santa advertisements that further popularized and firmly established this Santa as an icon of contemporary commercial culture.

By the 1950s Santa was turning up everywhere as a benign source of beneficence, endorsing an amazing range of consumer products. This commercial success led to the North American Santa Claus being exported around the world...

It's been a long journey from the Fourth Century Bishop of Myra, St. Nicholas, who showed his devotion to God in extraordinary kindness and generosity to those in need, to America's jolly Santa Claus, whose largesse often supplies luxuries to the affluent. However, if you peel back the accretions, he is still Nicholas, Bishop of Myra, whose caring surprises continue to model true giving and faithfulness.


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Pope telling truth----JESUS WAS NOT GOD
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Jesus was actually born sometime from early spring through late June. "The shepards..." tend their flocks when the new grass is starting to grow, and up until the grass becomes dry and sparce, usually in the early summer, unless there was a wet spring, in which case, they would be tended until maybe late August.

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