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Hungarian right wing politician asks for a "Jew" list - thousands of citizens protest

 
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I think the world will have a damn good reason to hate Israel soon if they decide to nuke their neighbours.
"We have the right to defend ourselves" BS is not going work any more.
What will be the next slogan?
"To defend ourselves we have the right to nuke you"...???
 Quoting: PhilippinoBob


At least the world is becoming convinced that it will NOT be the USA nuking preemptively.

USA dont need no stinking samson option.
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Once is an accident, twice a coincidence, three times a pattern.

There are numerous accounts of politicians and celebs coming out and complaining about inflitration etc. Whether or not this is true for the individual with 'dual' citizenship is actually a moot point as the varibles involved are too many to collate.

However, the collective actions can be demonstably traced through, for example, historical records such as UN Resolutions and parliamentary voting records (e.g. Hansard in the UK).

The other useful analogy here is no smoke without fire. As a neutral on the subject I look to the responses to such comments as made by the Hungarian politician.

If it is just bullshit, then why the thousands of protesters? The guilty often 'doth protest too much'?

The irony is the cacophony of protest attracts the ignorant and uninformed and gives further exposure to the argument as to whether having dual nationality passport holders in a govenment is a good or bad thing.

By their deeds ye shall know them. Making provacative announcements such as Gyongyosi did is like poking a hornets nest.

Just poke a little and they come streaming out - on the attack as their defensive strategy.

It is only a matter of time until there is a critical mass and once again the persecution will start. I dread it.

These poor unfortunate people have had this done to them throughout history. It is their way, their culture, their beliefs about themselves that drive their behaviour.

Self-fullfiling prophesies, a vicious cycle. Once is an accident, twice a coincidence three times a pattern. History will repeat itself again...

I hope it won't, but I also hope that aliens will land and expose ALL religions for what they are. Maybe, just maybe then, we'll all get along and actually start to become civilised?

Ya'll know that hope and reality are not good bedpartners though. Fuck, as a species we really need a jump in consciousness.
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like in DELTA FORCE
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DELTA FORCE was fiction.

As in made up.
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So, do the jewish use the bible as their self-fullfilling
prophecy? Is it because they think they are God's
chosen that they are entitled in some way?
and they will be blessed regardless?
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lookie here:

16A. If a Knesset member holds an additional, non-Israeli citizenship, and the laws of the country whose citizenship he holds permit him to be released from such citizenship, he shall not declare allegiance until after he has done everything required on his part to be released from such citizenship, and he shall not enjoy the rights of a Knesset member until he makes his declaration.

[link to www.knesset.gov.il]
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Just as I would have assumed. Every country should this with anyone who has loyalty to foreign power. Too bad the USA doesn't!
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To people who not understand:
Hungary just defend themselves against buy out by Israel. I wish that our politicians also have balls and began to demand full disclosure of origin. I do not know why the j-ews so panic.

Maybe they afraid that something will come out:


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That says it all.
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It's the age old trick in the politics book: divide and conquer.

The guy is just playing for votes.

Nationalism is on the rise everywhere, because people are afraid and the global debt/gdp is too high.

Every single time, this has lead to finding an "outside" enemy in order to keep the nation state and it's dear leaders strong.

Such is the way of us stupid humans.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19009045


You obviously lack psychological anthropology knowledge.
There is no, and will not be a "new man" (a communist slogan).

People are clannish and tribal - and that's the way it is and always has been. It is a genetic survival trait for safety, comfort and cooperation. Psychological anthropologists now KNOW and UNDERSTAND that multi-ethnic societies function with relative(only!) smoothness in good, easy economic and peaceful times. When that passes, the (self) deception of this societal construct shows its cracks and inherent, obvious fallacies. In harder times people revert to the close, familiar, cooperative, safe mode (i.e. tribal/nationalist, etc) because it provides a better and less stressful existence, better safety, and improved chance of surviving of themselves and their offspring.

Your idealism is touching. But no idealism will supersede demonstrably hardwired human behavior and genetic imprinting.

"Finding outside enemy"? We do not have to "find" him/them.
He announced himself very-very clearly and plainly.
Simon Peres PM of Izzy (2004?): "We BOUGHT up Manhattan, Romania, HUNGARY and Poland". This statement is real and can be seen and heard TODAY on youtube. When a totally ALIEN country (different gegraphy, language, alphabet, customs, religion, history, culture, ethics, genetics with a self-proclaimed superiority complex - "we are God's chosen") announces that they "bought up your country (with the trillions of stolen money by the Jewish bankers on Wall Street) then you (and should!) take notice that they want to take your country outright, for themselves. They are EXACTLY like the invaders in the old sense - of the middle ages - but done in a much different (modern) way.

SOME of us see it - with absolute clarity. Those of us KNOW that it is now about SURVIVAL, no less, and our chance of national survival was actually BETTER under the Soviets, than it is today. A truly shocking thing to realize, and a sad state of affairs...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255



Very well said! I could listen to your thoughts all day. You have to read this piece - written by a Russian Jew:

Humans and other animals have defensive mechanisms used to protect their territory and their access to resources. These mechanisms are now deliberately misrepresented as ‘racism’, or as the unleashing of brutal natural tendencies, but the protection of one’s territory is morally defensible.

[link to www.israelshamir.net]
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...


the longer one.


In Germany, the Nazis first came for the Communists,
And I didn't speak up
Because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
And I did not speak up
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
And I didn't speak up
Because I wasn't a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
And I was a Protestant
So I didn't speak up.
Then they came for ME…
By that time
There was no one to speak up for anyone.
To make sure this doesn't happen again, the injustice
To anyone
Anywhere
Must be the concern of
Everyone
Everywhere.


-Declaration of Guilt presented to the Council of the Evangelical Church by Pastor Martin Niemoller in Ocober of 1945.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19824705


The same (untrue) tired rant or rather, mindless sloganeering...

Stupid people don't think, know, learn, analyze and deduce.
Their comfort comes through slogans and chants - just like this...

It must be nice and comforting to be ignorant and dumb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


Don't respect something that has no respect
Don't sympathize with something that has no sympathy
Don't understand something that has no understanding
Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours
Fuck nazi sympathy!


AUS ROTTEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19824705


The Amerikan shitheads (6 to 9 hours behind us) putting in their 2 cents worth of mindless slogans. It amazes me how they immediately verify my statement about sloganeering, with even more slogans. Amazing...- I mean the stupidity.

To the older ones: Don't they sound just like those dumb slogans said and chanted during Kadar (and Rakosi) times? It's almost eerie...
Must be that "we are big country, we have rockets" mental illness the Soviets had. I guess it's a universal symptom of the terminal stages...
It's funny how they have devolved to the same level (if not lower; the average Soviet was better educated). Albeit both were (Bolshevik-Soviet) and are (US) run by Jews. That may have something to do with it perhaps?

Thank God, Amerika is toast; the financial collapse is absolutely inevitable... (They just don't know it yet)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


Don't lump us all together. We're a country of over 300 million. I'm on your side!
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Here is a link to a really informative book about this exact topic. The book is completely downloadable online.



[link to grandoccident.files.wordpress.com]





The Title is: The World Conquerors: the Real War Criminals by Louis Marschalko


Written by a Hungarian "special correspondent, novelist, playwright, poet, hundreds of published articles".....

Speaks about life behind the Iron Curtain and describes plot to extend the slavery system to the Western World.

Very believable and interesting.
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Thank you! I'll dl it.
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went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it.

Explain why they did that? It was built since the fall of Communism,, so I guess it was to honor those who werent honored by Hungarian Communists. So why would some Hungarian Jews feel compelled to piss on it? Be truthful, please, if you can..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


Hombre, Why are you asking me, why don't you ask THEM why did it?
It was during the previous regime (Gyurcsany - a Jew) when they thought, they already owned Hungary and they could do anything; open, derisive MOCKING everything Hungarian and Christian.
I'm sure, Hungarian readers recall the Christmas eve(!) NOISY, LOUD, Jew DANCE PARTY in the heart of Budapest, on Korut, (Ring) in front of the Western Railway station in the open top, round underpass. This is on a night which is called "Holy night, silent night" (we celebrate on the eve of the 24th, not on the 25th) and even all the public transportation (metro, buses, trams, trolleys) stop running at either 5 or 6 pm.

This was done DELIBERATELY to show us that they can do anything in our country, even on the biggest celebration of the year. A lot of us got the message - thank you.

They are literally unable to comprehend, that this kind of mocking, derision and disregard of the host nation's customs, religion and sensibilities is one surefire way to create a hostile environment...
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Re: Hungarian right wing politician asks for a "Jew" list - thousands of citizens protest
went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it.

Explain why they did that? It was built since the fall of Communism,, so I guess it was to honor those who werent honored by Hungarian Communists. So why would some Hungarian Jews feel compelled to piss on it? Be truthful, please, if you can..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


dude, what was built after the fall of communism? what are you even talking about. it was built at the end of the 19th century, to commemorate the 1000th year of the kingdom, and the monuments of the hungarian founding fathers are there
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After a right wing politician demanded a List of jewish parliamentarians, thousands of people protested against Antisemitism and national socialistic tendencies in hungary. Jewish groups and civil rights-activists called for the protests.

The hungarian government as well as the opposition support the protesters.

Later, the right wing politician Gyongyosi apologized to his jewish countrymen, and added:
"Hungary has to be vigilante regarding the zionist Israel and those, who serve it from here."
 Quoting: Shin dis pit 4951685


There is a big difference between singling out Jewish people and singling out dual nationals (two passports) serving in government. The latter should never be allowed. Dual nationals cannot be loyal to both countries. The us government is also overrun with dual nationals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1258829


Like I said in 2010 they extended dual citizenship to Hungarians in surrounding countries (former Austro-Hungarian castrated empire ww1 losers). Slovakia is especially pissed with Hungary's, a maneuver that may prelude the annexation of parts of their country. Fucking Europe! So this "outrage" about Hungarian Jews living in Hungary all their lives is esp hypocritical. Yes, it is a simple law to disallow dual citizenship to all, but that would mean keeping true nonCatholic Hungarians for true Catholic nonHungarians.
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again, what are you even talking about? what's the problem with extending citizenship to ethnic hungarians, who happen to be living on previously hungarian territories? (oh and btw it's not just hungarians in surrounding countries who can apply for it, but all over the world of they want to)
annexation of parts of slovakia? dude, really, take your medications. this law doesn't aim anything like that, and it's not capable of doing that. and why don't you mention the slovakian laws, especially the language act that discriminates against hungarians living in slovakia? (who were born there!)
and this is not an outrage against jewish people living in Hungary, you are implying things that have never been said. and who wants to disallow dual citizenship to all? where did you get these from?
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The same (untrue) tired rant or rather, mindless sloganeering...

Stupid people don't think, know, learn, analyze and deduce.
Their comfort comes through slogans and chants - just like this...

It must be nice and comforting to be ignorant and dumb.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


Don't respect something that has no respect
Don't sympathize with something that has no sympathy
Don't understand something that has no understanding
Don't give them their freedom, because they're not going to give you yours
Fuck nazi sympathy!


AUS ROTTEN
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19824705


The Amerikan shitheads (6 to 9 hours behind us) putting in their 2 cents worth of mindless slogans. It amazes me how they immediately verify my statement about sloganeering, with even more slogans. Amazing...- I mean the stupidity.

To the older ones: Don't they sound just like those dumb slogans said and chanted during Kadar (and Rakosi) times? It's almost eerie...
Must be that "we are big country, we have rockets" mental illness the Soviets had. I guess it's a universal symptom of the terminal stages...
It's funny how they have devolved to the same level (if not lower; the average Soviet was better educated). Albeit both were (Bolshevik-Soviet) and are (US) run by Jews. That may have something to do with it perhaps?

Thank God, Amerika is toast; the financial collapse is absolutely inevitable... (They just don't know it yet)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


Don't lump us all together. We're a country of over 300 million. I'm on your side!
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clappa
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went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it.

Explain why they did that? It was built since the fall of Communism,, so I guess it was to honor those who werent honored by Hungarian Communists. So why would some Hungarian Jews feel compelled to piss on it? Be truthful, please, if you can..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511


Forgot to add this, Cucaracha;

Why are you making nonsense comments if you are so spectaculary ignorant?

Obviously you know NOTHING about Heroes' Square. You are writing utterly ignorant nonsense.

It was built for the Millenium (1896) but actually completed in its present form with the half circle parthenon of heroes in 1911. So it's been there in its current form for over a hundred years.

You could have googled it moronic Jew, before you flap your halitosis mouth.
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Bolsheviks top leaders were all Freemason

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Lenin's adviser and founder of the powerful Cheka (KGB), Felix Dzerzhinsky, known as "The Black Pope of Bolshevism," was raised Catholic.
[link to russiapedia.rt.com]

Catholic like Hungary is after 60 years of ethnic cleansing behind the Iron Curtain.
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Bolsheviks top leaders were all Freemason

[link to www.youtube.com]


Lenin's adviser and founder of the powerful Cheka (KGB), Felix Dzerzhinsky, known as "The Black Pope of Bolshevism," was raised Catholic.
[link to russiapedia.rt.com]

Catholic like Hungary is after 60 years of ethnic cleansing behind the Iron Curtain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Where are you really posting from? Tel Aviv? Your time stamp gives you away, nobody posts at 4AM of their local time (East Coast US) unless they are shills. trolls or Sayanim.

Felix Dzerzhinsky was a bona fide pychopath. So his "religion" - which is a misnomer - is irrelevant. (He renounced religion, he was an atheist). That he was "raised a catholic" is true only in the broadest sense; his parents may have dragged him to church every Sunday, but spiritually it meant nothing. As an infant, he was probably christened, but that means zip also.

Your English is a little ragged; not enough chance to practice in Izzy? The last sentence does not make any sense.
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Bolsheviks top leaders were all Freemason

[link to www.youtube.com]


Lenin's adviser and founder of the powerful Cheka (KGB), Felix Dzerzhinsky, known as "The Black Pope of Bolshevism," was raised Catholic.
[link to russiapedia.rt.com]

Catholic like Hungary is after 60 years of ethnic cleansing behind the Iron Curtain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Where are you really posting from? Tel Aviv? Your time stamp gives you away, nobody posts at 4AM of their local time (East Coast US) unless they are shills. trolls or Sayanim.

Felix Dzerzhinsky was a bona fide pychopath. So his "religion" - which is a misnomer - is irrelevant. (He renounced religion, he was an atheist). That he was "raised a catholic" is true only in the broadest sense; his parents may have dragged him to church every Sunday, but spiritually it meant nothing. As an infant, he was probably christened, but that means zip also.

Your English is a little ragged; not enough chance to practice in Izzy? The last sentence does not make any sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


Have some mercy for the Zio-Agent, you just obliterated him cruise
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Bolsheviks top leaders were all Freemason

[link to www.youtube.com]


Lenin's adviser and founder of the powerful Cheka (KGB), Felix Dzerzhinsky, known as "The Black Pope of Bolshevism," was raised Catholic.
[link to russiapedia.rt.com]

Catholic like Hungary is after 60 years of ethnic cleansing behind the Iron Curtain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


religion was practically banned behind the iron curtain... people could go to church if they wanted to, but if their 'fellow comrades' saw them going there, the communist party listed them, they were only allowed into the lowest jobs, their children couldn't get higher education, basically they were treated as outsiders. where did you hear that there was ethnic cleansing during the communist years to make Hungary all-catholic? one of the aims of communism was to wipe out religion.
and as I said before, historically there never was a notable conflict between the reformed christian denominations and catholics here. we didn't have religious wars like other countries in Europe, and there is no hatred between the people with different faith like there is still in America
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Hungary passed a law in 2010 that extends citizenship to ancestors of Hungarians, effectively creating a huge pool of dual citizens esp from Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, the United States, etc..

Kind of hypocritical if they now exclude Israeli duals.

All for one or none for all....
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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
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Bolsheviks top leaders were all Freemason

[link to www.youtube.com]


Lenin's adviser and founder of the powerful Cheka (KGB), Felix Dzerzhinsky, known as "The Black Pope of Bolshevism," was raised Catholic.
[link to russiapedia.rt.com]

Catholic like Hungary is after 60 years of ethnic cleansing behind the Iron Curtain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Where are you really posting from? Tel Aviv? Your time stamp gives you away, nobody posts at 4AM of their local time (East Coast US) unless they are shills. trolls or Sayanim.

Felix Dzerzhinsky was a bona fide pychopath. So his "religion" - which is a misnomer - is irrelevant. (He renounced religion, he was an atheist). That he was "raised a catholic" is true only in the broadest sense; his parents may have dragged him to church every Sunday, but spiritually it meant nothing. As an infant, he was probably christened, but that means zip also.

Your English is a little ragged; not enough chance to practice in Izzy? The last sentence does not make any sense.
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Have some mercy for the Zio-Agent, you just obliterated him cruise
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


he did indeed obliterate him...

Well done.

clappa

Remember:

"The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you."

-an old Polish proverb translated in english
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Hungary passed a law in 2010 that extends citizenship to ancestors of Hungarians, effectively creating a huge pool of dual citizens esp from Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, the United States, etc..

Kind of hypocritical if they now exclude Israeli duals.

All for one or none for all....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28763511

Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


well even before your acclaimed greater moravia (which only lasted for a short period, and no real evidence shows that is was as big as you claim it today) there were many other people here - huns, avars. they were also steppe people, but what was common in them that their center was in the Carpatian Basin. and guess to whom these other historical tribes or nations are to connected - to other steppe tribes like hungarians. (and no, I'm not saying huns=hungarians, but there is certainly a connection, as the steppe people were closely interconnected)that is why the Chronicum Pictum talks about primus ingressus (first incoming) and secundus ingressus (secong incoming)- the second one being the incoming of Árpád in around 895-896. butbutbut wikipedia says svatopluk died in 894! so how could he allow the hungarians to settle here, if they came 1 or 2 years after? scratching ok, I treat wikipedia with doubts...

but also, who are you to declare the Chronicum Pictum to be full of lies? you say it just because it is not your own national chronicle from the 14th century? (oh, what does your 14th century chronicles have in them?)

I dont have time to reply to every one of your claims, but still I want to mention one thing. How do you think other nationalities could grow in their numbers if we oppressed them so much? oh, maybe they weren't oppressed so much. and what 700 000 slovaks after the war in todays Hungary are you talking about? where did you get that from? out of your ass?
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Hungary passed a law in 2010 that extends citizenship to ancestors of Hungarians, effectively creating a huge pool of dual citizens esp from Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, the United States, etc..

Kind of hypocritical if they now exclude Israeli duals.

All for one or none for all....
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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
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You seem to be lost, Slovak. Sharpen your English comprehension. Re-read a few times what I wroe until you get it. I am not, nor was dwelling on WHY Trianon happened. However youareou are, for whatever personal reasons. I'm not interested in your rant because it belongs to another topic.
I only dealt with CURRENT facts which are: There are significant number of ethic Hungarian minorities living in surrounding countries around Hungary as a direct result of the 1920 Trianon Edict.
I presume, you are not stupid enough to argue that crystal clear demonstrable Fact.
End of discussion.
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Hungary passed a law in 2010 that extends citizenship to ancestors of Hungarians, effectively creating a huge pool of dual citizens esp from Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, the United States, etc..

Kind of hypocritical if they now exclude Israeli duals.

All for one or none for all....
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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


well even before your acclaimed greater moravia (which only lasted for a short period, and no real evidence shows that is was as big as you claim it today) there were many other people here - huns, avars. they were also steppe people, but what was common in them that their center was in the Carpatian Basin. and guess to whom these other historical tribes or nations are to connected - to other steppe tribes like hungarians. (and no, I'm not saying huns=hungarians, but there is certainly a connection, as the steppe people were closely interconnected)that is why the Chronicum Pictum talks about primus ingressus (first incoming) and secundus ingressus (secong incoming)- the second one being the incoming of Árpád in around 895-896. butbutbut wikipedia says svatopluk died in 894! so how could he allow the hungarians to settle here, if they came 1 or 2 years after? scratching ok, I treat wikipedia with doubts...

but also, who are you to declare the Chronicum Pictum to be full of lies? you say it just because it is not your own national chronicle from the 14th century? (oh, what does your 14th century chronicles have in them?)

I dont have time to reply to every one of your claims, but still I want to mention one thing. How do you think other nationalities could grow in their numbers if we oppressed them so much? oh, maybe they weren't oppressed so much. and what 700 000 slovaks after the war in todays Hungary are you talking about? where did you get that from? out of your ass?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18612185


You make sense, but don't argue with the guy, he is a nut job, consumed with guilt. He sees the word Trianon, and he either faints or has a cow.
Note, it was mentioned by me in only passing(!) that the reason for the large numbers of ethnic Hungarians ending up in neighboring countries was the Edict of Trianon in 1920.

I included it for understanding by a less informed reader. This is a simple historical fact, the whys and reasons of Trianon are irrelevant in this topic/discussion.

Now this nut job Slovak goes ballistic, from the mere words: Trianon ,or "ethnic Hungarians" (whichever or both), and writes this stupid tirade as if I give a shit. I did not even read through it, I don't give a crap; I have enough archeological knowledge from digs through the entire 20th century, to KNOW where they were, and where they were not, and when. (The dead don't lie, the living does or WAS)

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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


well even before your acclaimed greater moravia (which only lasted for a short period, and no real evidence shows that is was as big as you claim it today) there were many other people here - huns, avars. they were also steppe people, but what was common in them that their center was in the Carpatian Basin. and guess to whom these other historical tribes or nations are to connected - to other steppe tribes like hungarians. (and no, I'm not saying huns=hungarians, but there is certainly a connection, as the steppe people were closely interconnected)that is why the Chronicum Pictum talks about primus ingressus (first incoming) and secundus ingressus (secong incoming)- the second one being the incoming of Árpád in around 895-896. butbutbut wikipedia says svatopluk died in 894! so how could he allow the hungarians to settle here, if they came 1 or 2 years after? scratching ok, I treat wikipedia with doubts...

but also, who are you to declare the Chronicum Pictum to be full of lies? you say it just because it is not your own national chronicle from the 14th century? (oh, what does your 14th century chronicles have in them?)

I dont have time to reply to every one of your claims, but still I want to mention one thing. How do you think other nationalities could grow in their numbers if we oppressed them so much? oh, maybe they weren't oppressed so much. and what 700 000 slovaks after the war in todays Hungary are you talking about? where did you get that from? out of your ass?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18612185


You make sense, but don't argue with the guy, he is a nut job, consumed with guilt. He sees the word Trianon, and he either faints or has a cow.
Note, it was mentioned by me in only passing(!) that the reason for the large numbers of ethnic Hungarians ending up in neighboring countries was the Edict of Trianon in 1920.

I included it for understanding by a less informed reader. This is a simple historical fact, the whys and reasons of Trianon are irrelevant in this topic/discussion.

Now this nut job Slovak goes ballistic, from the mere words: Trianon ,or "ethnic Hungarians" (whichever or both), and writes this stupid tirade as if I give a shit. I did not even read through it, I don't give a crap; I have enough archeological knowledge from digs through the entire 20th century, to KNOW where they were, and where they were not, and when. (The dead don't lie, the living does or WAS)

I
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yea, I know I shouldn't get into a discussion with him... but it just makes me angry when I see a statement full of lies...
but at the same time I feel sorry for him/them, I know it's not his fault that they're being taught a fabricated history in school. it's still the remaining of the soviet panslavist propaganda.

anyways, the main topic seems to be gone now already... but at least the media didn't shout antisemitism today on all channels.
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Hungary passed a law in 2010 that extends citizenship to ancestors of Hungarians, effectively creating a huge pool of dual citizens esp from Slovakia, Romania, Serbia, the United States, etc..

Kind of hypocritical if they now exclude Israeli duals.

All for one or none for all....
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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


well even before your acclaimed greater moravia (which only lasted for a short period, and no real evidence shows that is was as big as you claim it today) there were many other people here - huns, avars. they were also steppe people, but what was common in them that their center was in the Carpatian Basin. and guess to whom these other historical tribes or nations are to connected - to other steppe tribes like hungarians. (and no, I'm not saying huns=hungarians, but there is certainly a connection, as the steppe people were closely interconnected)that is why the Chronicum Pictum talks about primus ingressus (first incoming) and secundus ingressus (secong incoming)- the second one being the incoming of Árpád in around 895-896. butbutbut wikipedia says svatopluk died in 894! so how could he allow the hungarians to settle here, if they came 1 or 2 years after? scratching ok, I treat wikipedia with doubts...

but also, who are you to declare the Chronicum Pictum to be full of lies? you say it just because it is not your own national chronicle from the 14th century? (oh, what does your 14th century chronicles have in them?)

I dont have time to reply to every one of your claims, but still I want to mention one thing. How do you think other nationalities could grow in their numbers if we oppressed them so much? oh, maybe they weren't oppressed so much. and what 700 000 slovaks after the war in todays Hungary are you talking about? where did you get that from? out of your ass?
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The borderline between Slovakia and Magyaria has been delineated in such a way, that approximately equal numbers of Slovaks were in Magyaria as in Slovakia. While you had uprooted your minorities with permanent prosecution (btw lasting from 1840 - and revved up after 1867 to at least 1990, perhaps even today) you try to kick your own chauvinist shit to Slovak door. It has been Budapest, which abolished all Slovak schools, not vice versa. If you find any archeological reminder of Slovaks from time before your arrival, either you mark it as Avarian (Ipelsky Sokolec - archeological site is on both river banks), or you rather bury the finds (Eger, Esztergom). And your persistent effort to rewrite the history of Magyars (and Slovaks alike) with the aim to erase Slovaks from the history of Hungarian kingdom is really ridiculous. It had been Slovaks, who helped Stephen I. to defeat Kopanyi. Never had been found a trace from that period regarding some conquest of castles, as fabricated in Anonymous Chronicle.
FYI Svatopluk had three sons - Svatopluk II, his eldest, followed him on the throne. I was talking of him. How can you claim that Slovaks stole their land from Magyars, when Slovaks live in their country approximately 8 thousand years according to the data of Cavaslli-Sforza genetical study (Stanford University, 1991)?. Btw Academy of Science in Budapest had interesting results, too. Check.
As about to the opression of minorities - in 1960 Janos Kadar communists abolished all Slovak schools (of other minorities as well) and kindergartens in Magyar Republic, people were forced to use Magyar language from early chlidhood. And beaten if the beast tanítóúr (teacher) heard them speaking Slovak. My parents and grandparents could tell me the truth firsthand - not the fairy tales your politicians and historians try to impose.
The only minority, which grows so much in your country are gypsies. And perhaps immigrants from Asia. And you can bet in fifty years there will be no disputes who stole what, because Gypsyland is the future both for your and my country. Due to political corectness.
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Bullshit Jew; you are twisting ad lying like your kind ALWAYS does. (This is part of why you are despised by so many).

Citizenship was offered - not extended - to ETHNIC Hungarians and their descendants - provided they remained Hungarian in culture and language - who ended up in living neighboring countries after the Edict of Trianon in 1920. These are not "ancestors" of Hungarians, you stupid parasite. (You don't even know the meaning of "ancestor").
An application is required to grant citizenship, with proof of Hungarian ethnicity - including knowledge of language. (Thankfully, it's not an easy language to learn).

Jews born in HU, who always make a point that they are NOT Hungarians, but JEWS, and have made the arduous and deliberate effort to acquire Israeli citizenship, have no strong ties to Hungary. To the contrary. Their REAL undying loyalty is to Israel (and to their own kind - only). The Hungarians are simply to be exploited, and HU to be another Jewish homeland in Europe - even if Israel survives. They'd just exterminate us like they did, and are doing the Palestinians, and did in the Bolshevik coup in Russia; the educated intelligentsia of ethnic Russians - to the tune of 30-40 million.

These are the Jews who went to Heroes' Square in Budapest, the biggest, most revered and important national monument of the whole country, lined up against, facing the monument and pissed(!) on it. I have the photo! (I'd post it if the Forum would let me).
It's like if a bunch of Jews in Wash.DC would go to the Lincoln Memorial and do the same.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27955255


stop crying on improper grave, bimbo. Hungarian kingdom was a state of at least six nations, not only Magyar. The whole land of todays Magyar Republic had been Slovak before your arrival to Europe. You asked king Svatopluk for a permission to spend winter on pastures eastwards from Tisa river, which he gave you. As a thank you, you fabricated in 13th century a galactic lie about honfoglás (conquest of homeland) (Anonymous chronicle - btw characteristic by at least one huge lie per page). Slovaks just took after 1918 what has been their from the beginning of eons. And only half of it, the second half is still occupied by "guests spending winter near Tisa. So stop lying to the whole world how you have been robbed after Trianon! Because you were not. Btw in Magyar republic there were around 700 000 Slovaks after 1920. Where are they? You did not allow them, neither to other nationalities to have their elementary schools, not even mentioning high schools or university. You prosecuted them, did not accept them in state employment on any level, forced magyarization was and still is your national policy regarding nationalities. Production of Magyars from other nations of Hungarian kingdom became the biggest industry in 19th century - that is why other nations seceded. Romania and Slovakia gave Magyar minority everything - schools including kindergartens, secondary schools, university, theatres, libraries, etc. - things the nationalities in Magyar Republic could not even dream of. AS a thank you now Romanians and Slovaks are depicted as chauvinisat opressing their minorities. Well you know it is a herrondous lie.
And claiming the lands of Slovakia, Romania, Ukraine (Ruthenia), Serbia and Croatia to be stolen from Magyars is an outright blasphemy and filthy lie. You still behave, as Apponyi, minister of foreign affairs in 1918 told: "We must talk abroad to please world powers, but at home we must act opposite!"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24869508


well even before your acclaimed greater moravia (which only lasted for a short period, and no real evidence shows that is was as big as you claim it today) there were many other people here - huns, avars. they were also steppe people, but what was common in them that their center was in the Carpatian Basin. and guess to whom these other historical tribes or nations are to connected - to other steppe tribes like hungarians. (and no, I'm not saying huns=hungarians, but there is certainly a connection, as the steppe people were closely interconnected)that is why the Chronicum Pictum talks about primus ingressus (first incoming) and secundus ingressus (secong incoming)- the second one being the incoming of Árpád in around 895-896. butbutbut wikipedia says svatopluk died in 894! so how could he allow the hungarians to settle here, if they came 1 or 2 years after? scratching ok, I treat wikipedia with doubts...

but also, who are you to declare the Chronicum Pictum to be full of lies? you say it just because it is not your own national chronicle from the 14th century? (oh, what does your 14th century chronicles have in them?)

I dont have time to reply to every one of your claims, but still I want to mention one thing. How do you think other nationalities could grow in their numbers if we oppressed them so much? oh, maybe they weren't oppressed so much. and what 700 000 slovaks after the war in todays Hungary are you talking about? where did you get that from? out of your ass?
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The borderline between Slovakia and Magyaria has been delineated in such a way, that approximately equal numbers of Slovaks were in Magyaria as in Slovakia. While you had uprooted your minorities with permanent prosecution (btw lasting from 1840 - and revved up after 1867 to at least 1990, perhaps even today) you try to kick your own chauvinist shit to Slovak door. It has been Budapest, which abolished all Slovak schools, not vice versa. If you find any archeological reminder of Slovaks from time before your arrival, either you mark it as Avarian (Ipelsky Sokolec - archeological site is on both river banks), or you rather bury the finds (Eger, Esztergom). And your persistent effort to rewrite the history of Magyars (and Slovaks alike) with the aim to erase Slovaks from the history of Hungarian kingdom is really ridiculous. It had been Slovaks, who helped Stephen I. to defeat Kopanyi. Never had been found a trace from that period regarding some conquest of castles, as fabricated in Anonymous Chronicle.
FYI Svatopluk had three sons - Svatopluk II, his eldest, followed him on the throne. I was talking of him. How can you claim that Slovaks stole their land from Magyars, when Slovaks live in their country approximately 8 thousand years according to the data of Cavaslli-Sforza genetical study (Stanford University, 1991)?. Btw Academy of Science in Budapest had interesting results, too. Check.
As about to the opression of minorities - in 1960 Janos Kadar communists abolished all Slovak schools (of other minorities as well) and kindergartens in Magyar Republic, people were forced to use Magyar language from early chlidhood. And beaten if the beast tanítóúr (teacher) heard them speaking Slovak. My parents and grandparents could tell me the truth firsthand - not the fairy tales your politicians and historians try to impose.
The only minority, which grows so much in your country are gypsies. And perhaps immigrants from Asia. And you can bet in fifty years there will be no disputes who stole what, because Gypsyland is the future both for your and my country. Due to political corectness.
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I still don't understand what makes you think there were about 700 000 slovaks in post-trianon Hungary. a big number of slovaks never lived this south, just some small communities, but nothing even close to that number you claim.
And again, what kind of prosecution of minorities? I know you guys like to call it magyarization, but if anybody was persecuted because of their nationality, how come that minorities kept growing in numbers? I just recently read the autobiography of Tivadar Kosztka Csontváry ( whose family has polish roots, but settled in Kisszeben- what you today call Sabinov) and he clearly wrote down that there was no Hungarian school in the town, so he had to go down south to his relatives to have the chance to study in Hungarian. oh and he was born in the middle of the 19th century. And for Rákosi- I assume you know that the country was under soviet communist dictatorship during his time. they worked really hard to oppress and abolish anything related to culture, but believe it or not, especially the hungarian culture. (which didn't start at his time, but during the habsburgs btw...) he was just a puppet of the soviets. as for the beating up... one teacher doesn't represent the whole system, and some idiot teacher still today beat up kids for hideous reasons all over the world, and it was even more common some decades ago, even in today's 'democratic societies'. and I'm sorry if something like that really happened to your grandparents, but also my grandparents could tell me stories about teachers beating them when they were young for the smallest reason, so implying minorities were treated inhumanely is a misstatement.
and nobody is claiming that the Kingdom of Hungary was a state of a homogenous group of people. Jassics, alans, szeklers, saxons, other germanic tribes, and yes, slavic tribes were living in the country. The Croats even had a type of autonomy within the state. But the percentage of other ethnicities were much lower before the Ottoman invasion. So many people died or were displaced during their rule, so later the Habsburgs brought people in the country from outside. that was how slavic groups could also grow in numbers on the northern edge of the state. it wasn't that hard to get some polish or czech people settle there, they only had to move less than 100 kilometers. thats how slovak language was probably formed...
who told you slovaks helped Stephen I.? the term 'slovak' didnt even exist then. and you can sleep well at night, nobody is using Anonymus's Gesta for describing history.
I only wish you lived in the territory of what is France today a couple hundred years ago, you would then know what aggressive national unification is. you basically can't find any other ethnicity there (excluding immigrants of course) If Hungarians really wanted to exterminate minorities, you think they wouldn't be able to do that? You blame a state (which was under habsburg rule...) for doing things what your country is doing right now. congratulations.
and again, I don't blame you, you're being taught propaganda... but one thing is for sure, we, all people of the Carpathian Basin should have more understanding towards each other, and should work together to make this region a better place. the only good times in history were here when people were united. But this won't work as long as some of you have such a deep rooted hatred against us. (as some parts of your comment shows) we don't hate you, like the media and some politicians try to portray. we just don't like lies.

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