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Imagine trying to explain an apple to a two dimensional being.

It wouldn't have a clue as to what you are describing. It has no concept of 3 dimensions. It doesn't know what "up" is.

The only way it could understand would be to slowly pass the apple through it's plane of existance, and let it circle around it section by section, until it had seen every part of the apple.

It would probably get frustrated at first, wondering why it you wanted it to constantly circle the same red wall over and over. Sometimes the journey was short...other times it was long...and at the end the big red wall became a very small brown wall that eventually disappeared.

But then, hopefully...like that wax on wax off scene from the karate kid...it would come to a sudden epiphany and understanding of the higher meaning...placing all it had experienced into one greater comprehension of truth.

Suddenly, In it's minds eye, it could understand the apple!

Of course it couldn't explain it to others in the 2d realm...there was no way too. They would have to experience the epiphany for themselves...by walking the same journey and seeing each piece until they could put it all together. Some never did, even after seeing all the parts. They just never got the epiphany.

Now consider the 3d world you live in. Consider the paths you walk and the decisions you make. Consider your lifes journey and the things and people you encounter along the way.

It may not all make sense to you now...but in time you may see. And perhaps, just perhaps, God is trying to show you something.

But also remember that just like the apple passing through the plane...there is space above and space below.

Listen to that which comes from above. Do not follow the paths and leadings of that which comes from below.

In time, you will understand.
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Are you saying to map an apple intohf two dimensional space ?
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On time great thread OP

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Imagine trying to explain an apple to a two dimensional being.



Suddenly, In it's minds eye, it could understand the apple!

Some never did, even after seeing all the parts. They just never got the epiphany.

Consider your lifes journey and the things and people you encounter along the way.

And perhaps, just perhaps, God is trying to show you something.

...there is space above and space below.

Listen to that which comes from above. Do not follow the paths and leadings of that which comes from below.

In time, you will understand.
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these words mean different things to different humans.

meaning the same thing as you i would use the reverse analogy: feel from below, ignore (salt well) the above.

why? u might ask.

because, my experience of the 'above' are my thoughts, the fast squirmy bits that zip thru my 'upper' mind: spurious and often misleading are these ideas from the 'top of my mind'. i have watched them flux and morph constantly presenting new and often incorrect viewoints: this 'concious' mind of mine.
i see it'above' me.

but when i make art and when i move with the flow, my upper thoughts are calm and stick to the task at hand, playing their proper roll in the moment, but leaving the true guiding to *feelings* that for me , come from bellow: from the depths of my true mind that my thought mind just cannot touch.

the quite thoiughts/feelings that 'rise' to the surface while my busy mind is distracted and quiesent: these do i trust and when i allow myself to be guided by these frequently "irrational' (means to 'reasonable' explanation) that my life flows in unpredictably wonderfull ways.


Yoda said it best: "Trust your feelings"

for me, my feelings come from bellow.

and 'trust' works better than 'understanding'.



if God is trying to show me something, She is also trying to see something: We are not Separate.


someday we will all understand this truth: it kinda changes everything.
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these words mean different things to different humans.

meaning the same thing as you i would use the reverse analogy: feel from below, ignore (salt well) the above.

why? u might ask.

because, my experience of the 'above' are my thoughts, the fast squirmy bits that zip thru my 'upper' mind: spurious and often misleading are these ideas from the 'top of my mind'. i have watched them flux and morph constantly presenting new and often incorrect viewoints: this 'concious' mind of mine.
i see it'above' me.

but when i make art and when i move with the flow, my upper thoughts are calm and stick to the task at hand, playing their proper roll in the moment, but leaving the true guiding to *feelings* that for me , come from bellow: from the depths of my true mind that my thought mind just cannot touch.

the quite thoiughts/feelings that 'rise' to the surface while my busy mind is distracted and quiesent: these do i trust and when i allow myself to be guided by these frequently "irrational' (means to 'reasonable' explanation) that my life flows in unpredictably wonderfull ways.


Yoda said it best: "Trust your feelings"

for me, my feelings come from bellow.

and 'trust' works better than 'understanding'.



if God is trying to show me something, She is also trying to see something: We are not Separate.


someday we will all understand this truth: it kinda changes everything.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909


so very true.
but to take the metaphor a little further
that depth of your true mind resides in the heart
and heart is in the middle, upper than below (animal separatist instincts) and lower than upper (buzzing rational mind who is easily lost in conflicting fleeting thoughts)

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OP- Been watching Cosmos on Netflix? You pretty much plagiarized Carl Sagan for the first half of your idiotic post.
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THAT'S IT!!

I was wondering where I heard that before.
in warm pursuit...
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in warm pursuit...
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lol

called out like a muffugga
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Can you explain what it's like in a higher plane? the 4th or even the 5th?
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The spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.
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Op you seem to have deep understanding of the physical and spiritual planes.

I tell people all the time "nothing is real, everything is possible" because I have figured out that we have the ability in the 4th dimensional plane to shape our reality, just like in our dreams.

Let me explain what dreams really are. When entering dreams, we sort of "astral walk". Our consciousness appears for a short period of time in the higher plane and gives us a grasp of what it's like.

For those who have the ability of lucid dreaming: Lucid Dreaming IS a foreshadowing of Reality shaping.
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for those who had glimpses of etheric reality (i.e. OBE as opposed to lucid dreaming) in full consciousness, the illusion of 3d plane as being all there is to reality is forever shattered.
 Quoting: andreidita



Really? Is it that eye opening?


Are you saying you already experienced etheric reality?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28979819


Please answer me

I need answers

this is fucking important to me
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Be still and know that you are God.
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Imagine trying to explain an apple to a two dimensional being.

It wouldn't have a clue as to what you are describing. It has no concept of 3 dimensions. It doesn't know what "up" is.

The only way it could understand would be to slowly pass the apple through it's plane of existance, and let it circle around it section by section, until it had seen every part of the apple.

It would probably get frustrated at first, wondering why it you wanted it to constantly circle the same red wall over and over. Sometimes the journey was short...other times it was long...and at the end the big red wall became a very small brown wall that eventually disappeared.

But then, hopefully...like that wax on wax off scene from the karate kid...it would come to a sudden epiphany and understanding of the higher meaning...placing all it had experienced into one greater comprehension of truth.

Suddenly, In it's minds eye, it could understand the apple!

Of course it couldn't explain it to others in the 2d realm...there was no way too. They would have to experience the epiphany for themselves...by walking the same journey and seeing each piece until they could put it all together. Some never did, even after seeing all the parts. They just never got the epiphany.

Now consider the 3d world you live in. Consider the paths you walk and the decisions you make. Consider your lifes journey and the things and people you encounter along the way.

It may not all make sense to you now...but in time you may see. And perhaps, just perhaps, God is trying to show you something.

But also remember that just like the apple passing through the plane...there is space above and space below.

Listen to that which comes from above. Do not follow the paths and leadings of that which comes from below.

In time, you will understand.
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You would enjoy the book "Flatland".
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Imagine trying to explain an apple to a two dimensional being.

It wouldn't have a clue as to what you are describing. It has no concept of 3 dimensions. It doesn't know what "up" is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14093935


Sure, it can't understand more than 2 dimensions because it lives in 2 dimensions. But you have no problem understanding more than 3 dimensions, even though you live in 3 dimensions.

Ok dude.
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Do we? We don't understand time, yet.

Time isn't linear, like everyone suggests. Time is one point. That is what's all about.

Now, try to imagine time as point. Past, present, future at one point. It's impossible to imagine.

Our bodies are at too lower vibratory rates to comprehend the real concept of time as point.
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If you're vibrating "too lower" then just stick yourself in a big microwave oven for about 2 miinutes...yeah, that's all you need.
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For me, yes... prayer with the will to look through the veil or lattice .... to the sighting of subatomic before my eyes!!!!!
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what you describe here, i associate with an experience in which, after i read the book of revelations and another book and made certain clicks, it seems i reached such an elevated state of mind, that when i went to bed and closed my eyes, i saw a tiny dot on inner vision, that i could focus into, and go through it with my consciousness in a place with electric blue kind of spheres interconnected with many threads.
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YES as if snow but not necessarily continuing to fall. floating "through" and dazzaling! almost slow mo to no mo at all : )
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People can understand what is the others higher dimensions, but is too dificult to experience that directly, especially for us western untrained people.

Fortunately we (humankind) received this miraculous gift, we just need a 100 ml of Ayahuasca, to recover momentarily this sense.



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I will post a detailed thread, when i have some time...
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Stand upright and tall, keep your feet on the ground, etc.

The danger of it is that your butt in always closer, or DIRECTLY on the ground, where evil can access you easily.

Seriously.

Also the REASON that gothic doorways are pointed, is so that spirits cannot rest in wait for a person to be entered from above as they pass through portals between spaces.

So, LOOK IT UP! And T H I N K.

Desperate spirits, must be REJOYCING now .. . eh?

Rock on..

Try Spring by Vivaldi, and the other seasons too.
ALL men IN GOOD season, with GOOD Hearte living in anticipation of these trials to PROVE his

W O R T H.

I'm SURE intelligence IS one of them.

s'ok if you bought in, because NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, you CAN 'buy OUT!'

But then you CANNOT go back.

Strong, you think?? REALLY?

PROVE IT.


eYeah, it ain't as easy as it looks bruthas n' sistas..

BEG for assistance from all that is good and pure in YOUR consciousness circles, and expand it to encompass the ENTIRE multiverse.

Sing it. Strength IS yours.

Love may also be a panacea for all that is dysfunctional.
How CLEVER. .. to pacify SO easily.

ever been H U R T?

H O W.

I'll just BET L O V E, had something to DO with it, eh?

Let alone substances .. what a racket..

Existence of a thing is not an allowance, but a TEST.

Pass it.

The WAY is VERY narrow, the LIGHT; is it what is seems?

ILLUMINATION?
r u sure, that is GOOD?

The 'love' of WHAT!

eYeah, I'm seeing some looking UNDER that veil now. Bravo!

Write your thoughts down, FAR from 'cell'towers plez.

n' git yerselves some ORGANITE yesterday!

Busters UNITE.

It will COME from within, and ALL of us together IS STRENGTH at its MAXIMUM.

JOIN together for the GOOD OF ALL, PERIOD.

Where more than two come with INTENT, it is done.

good or bad does not exist, what works, and what doesn't is all that there is on THIS plane.

STRENGTH. Use it W I S E L Y.

or wait another few thousand years, whatever ..

Functional Blessings for our union together in growth to the pure within us all, UNTAINTED and dirty no longer.

I hope I can justify eating as an animal, however on this BASIC plane it is a test.

We are but animals existing in a surface that is constantly changing.

What manner of hell IS this.. ESCAPE it.

btw, the HEART HAS 'brain' cells IN IT, the 'brain,' NOTHING of the Heart.. look it up..

And unless YOU HAVE FOUR stomachs, NEVER eat livestock food, grains, legumes, grasses.
It NEGATIVELY affects your internal BUFFERS, so get MAGNESIUM to survive. IRON IS A POISION, by depletion of COPPER alone, it forces women to SURVIVE longer than men, simply because they BLEED IT OUT through menses, and childbirth. Unless a boxer, serviceman, or a really clumsy guy, you will expire first in your relationship if age related.

It's ALL there for ALL with EYES to see, and EARS to hear.

The iron thingy STARTED in the EARLY 1500's; ODDLY ENOUGH just about the time SHAKESPEARE WROTE THE BIBLE, like KUBRICK DID THE MOON LANDINGS.

Yea, everybody KNOWS that coin talks, WHEN BULLSHIT walks in jinglejangling their overflowing pockets.

Slave much?
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yes, we live in 4 dimmensions: x,z,y(3D space) plus time.
temperature is energy potential of particular object or system, thus temperature IS energy that we can understand this way.
einstein's famous equation is E=m.c2, which means EVERYTHING is energy in our 4D reality, some energy is in densier form (tangible fixed objects) other is less dense (electromagnetism => e.g. light)
i believe some individuals may have a glimpse of higher dimmensions, but i think it is impossible to understand more than 4D with our 3D brains floating through the fourth dimmension (time).
if i say i do understand 4D (which i don't :), it means that 'now', 'yesterday' or 'tommorow' are meaningless words ;)

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28986397


Wonderful post... wisdom within.

.... that there is only ONE here now, with infinite simultaneous and parallel realities, perspective being the interpretation of the here now :)

if God is trying to show me something, She is also trying to see something: We are not Separate.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905909


Huge smile :)

As unique aspects of All That Is, we ARE the experience of All That Is!


so very true.
but to take the metaphor a little further
that depth of your true mind resides in the heart
and heart is in the middle, upper than below (animal separatist instincts) and lower than upper (buzzing rational mind who is easily lost in conflicting fleeting thoughts)

:)
 Quoting: andreidita


Heart centered!!



Awesome thread!! Thanx OP!

Kismet
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Stand upright and tall, keep your feet on the ground, etc.

The danger of it is that your butt in always closer, or DIRECTLY on the ground, where evil can access you easily.

Seriously.

Also the REASON that gothic doorways are pointed, is so that spirits cannot rest in wait for a person to be entered from above as they pass through portals between spaces.

So, LOOK IT UP! And T H I N K.

Desperate spirits, must be REJOYCING now .. . eh?

Rock on..

Try Spring by Vivaldi, and the other seasons too.
ALL men IN GOOD season, with GOOD Hearte living in anticipation of these trials to PROVE his

W O R T H.

I'm SURE intelligence IS one of them.

s'ok if you bought in, because NOW THAT YOU UNDERSTAND, you CAN 'buy OUT!'

But then you CANNOT go back.

Strong, you think?? REALLY?

PROVE IT.


eYeah, it ain't as easy as it looks bruthas n' sistas..

BEG for assistance from all that is good and pure in YOUR consciousness circles, and expand it to encompass the ENTIRE multiverse.

Sing it. Strength IS yours.

Love may also be a panacea for all that is dysfunctional.
How CLEVER. .. to pacify SO easily.

ever been H U R T?

H O W.

I'll just BET L O V E, had something to DO with it, eh?

Let alone substances .. what a racket..

Existence of a thing is not an allowance, but a TEST.

Pass it.

The WAY is VERY narrow, the LIGHT; is it what is seems?

ILLUMINATION?
r u sure, that is GOOD?

The 'love' of WHAT!

eYeah, I'm seeing some looking UNDER that veil now. Bravo!

Write your thoughts down, FAR from 'cell'towers plez.

n' git yerselves some ORGANITE yesterday!

Busters UNITE.

It will COME from within, and ALL of us together IS STRENGTH at its MAXIMUM.

JOIN together for the GOOD OF ALL, PERIOD.

Where more than two come with INTENT, it is done.

good or bad does not exist, what works, and what doesn't is all that there is on THIS plane.

STRENGTH. Use it W I S E L Y.

or wait another few thousand years, whatever ..

Functional Blessings for our union together in growth to the pure within us all, UNTAINTED and dirty no longer.

I hope I can justify eating as an animal, however on this BASIC plane it is a test.

We are but animals existing in a surface that is constantly changing.

What manner of hell IS this.. ESCAPE it.

btw, the HEART HAS 'brain' cells IN IT, the 'brain,' NOTHING of the Heart.. look it up..

And unless YOU HAVE FOUR stomachs, NEVER eat livestock food, grains, legumes, grasses.
It NEGATIVELY affects your internal BUFFERS, so get MAGNESIUM to survive. IRON IS A POISION, by depletion of COPPER alone, it forces women to SURVIVE longer than men, simply because they BLEED IT OUT through menses, and childbirth. Unless a boxer, serviceman, or a really clumsy guy, you will expire first in your relationship if age related.

It's ALL there for ALL with EYES to see, and EARS to hear.

The iron thingy STARTED in the EARLY 1500's; ODDLY ENOUGH just about the time SHAKESPEARE WROTE THE BIBLE, like KUBRICK DID THE MOON LANDINGS.

Yea, everybody KNOWS that coin talks, WHEN BULLSHIT walks in jinglejangling their overflowing pockets.

Slave much?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1327743


Wow, what a (thoughtful) multi-tasker you are :)
This post bears reading a second and third time!

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Imagine your brain having tentacles of energy reaching out and above. They can grab energy and culminate objects from other tentacles of unsuspecting minds.
"The earth is mother of us all, for she is just; but you, because you are unjust have pretended that she is your mother alone; and if you do not stop, I will not permit you to remain upon her."

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What kind of radio do i need to buy to listen to planes radio transmission from above. Maybe there is an app for my phone.

Must be boring anyway, what do i care what pilots says to the towers in airports.

And why is god trying to say something with planes, why can't he just say it.

What planes, civilian? military?
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Imagine your brain having tentacles of energy reaching out and above. They can grab energy and culminate objects from other tentacles of unsuspecting minds.
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Yea is it, this would imply a total empathy and consequent return to symbiosis with nature, and with ours race brothers.

The cancer is the disorderly growing of the cells, because those cells lost the conection with their whole organism, and attacks itself, because thinks is a separate thing...
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OP's explanation is just a summary of the book "Flatland", go search it, the e-book is free out there
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Yep.

The journey is a 4-D and 5D higher dimensional pathway through life based upon decisions and changes in perspective and ontology.

When we "see" it, by going with the flow, and ultimately passing through all the pathways of initiation, we understand what reality is, simply for what it is.
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placing all it had experienced into one greater comprehension of truth.
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Then the two demensional being would exclaim "Aha! That which you call an apple, I know as an aardvark!".

To which many would shake their heads in dismay and shout "Die heretic!"

"That which we proclaimed an apple, must be an apple!"
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:whatdoyousee?:
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I KNOW THAT IMAGE! SEEN IT! mmmmK
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thank you all for this thread..
it is very inspiring
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:ayahuasca:
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