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Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?

 
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The oft quoted verse in the Bible refers to the construction of an idol as the custom of the Christmas tree originated in Germany. German born Victoria and Albert started to put one up in Buckingham Palace for their children in honour of the customs of their homeland. From there there the custom of the Christmas tree spread to the British ruling class and then throughout society and the western world. Boxing Day also originated in Victorian England along with the Christmas card.

The point being is that these are cultural custom and I'm sick of yids from Australia and elsewhere mocking my cultural traditions.

Go stuff a holiday candelabra up your ass.

And leave my Christmas tree alone.
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I'm not a yid.
hf
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I guess that makes you brainwashed by yids then.

Sheeple.
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
"Christians", why do you buy gifts for each other on the 25th of December?

Is because:

1. You're not educated on the subject?
2. You follow what the masses do?
3. You're a pagan?
4. Or other?

Please elaborate if it is option 4.
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Number four......And I already elaborated.
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Your answer will never be good enough for the scrooges.

Tradition = sheep like tendency to do as others before you have done.

It matters not that it's harmless, that people actually enjoy themselves. The grinchs wants everyone to be as miserable as they are and to stop doing things just because other people are doing it.
 Quoting: Debauchery

I don't know why I answered in the first place. A waste of energy. lol
Some people seem to see only the bad in life. I choose not to. Wonder if that would be considered what the masses do. lol
 Quoting: Blue Skies

It's not really a question of enjoying one's self or seeing that the glass is half-empty, etc. It's simply a question of the truth vs. cultural delusion.

Once you know the truth, you can do with it whatever you want. The spiritual burden of that truth is then yours to bear after that.

You have free will to do whatever you want.

Peace
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
The oft quoted verse in the Bible refers to the construction of an idol as the custom of the Christmas tree originated in Germany. German born Victoria and Albert started to put one up in Buckingham Palace for their children in honour of the customs of their homeland. From there there the custom of the Christmas tree spread to the British ruling class and then throughout society and the western world. Boxing Day also originated in Victorian England along with the Christmas card.

The point being is that these are cultural custom and I'm sick of yids from Australia and elsewhere mocking my cultural traditions.

Go stuff a holiday candelabra up your ass.

And leave my Christmas tree alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28823587


I'm not a yid.
hf
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I guess that makes you brainwashed by yids then.

Sheeple.
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scratching
Please go on.
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Number four......And I already elaborated.
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Your answer will never be good enough for the scrooges.

Tradition = sheep like tendency to do as others before you have done.

It matters not that it's harmless, that people actually enjoy themselves. The grinchs wants everyone to be as miserable as they are and to stop doing things just because other people are doing it.
 Quoting: Debauchery

I don't know why I answered in the first place. A waste of energy. lol
Some people seem to see only the bad in life. I choose not to. Wonder if that would be considered what the masses do. lol
 Quoting: Blue Skies

It's not really a question of enjoying one's self or seeing that the glass is half-empty, etc. It's simply a question of the truth vs. cultural delusion.

Once you know the truth, you can do with it whatever you want. The spiritual burden of that truth is then yours to bear after that.

You have free will to do whatever you want.

Peace
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^ This.
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
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I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
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pigchef
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pigchef
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dumbass
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
LOL, just returning the favor dumbass
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
LOL, just returning the favor dumbass
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But I'm not actually one, you on the other hand...
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
LOL, just returning the favor dumbass
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But I'm not actually one, you on the other hand...
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Why?
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
when i was little they told me it was because it was jesus' birthday but he wanted everyone else to have presents instead
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
LOL, just returning the favor dumbass
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But I'm not actually one, you on the other hand...
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Why?
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pigchef
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
LOL, just returning the favor dumbass
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But I'm not actually one, you on the other hand...
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Why?
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pigchef
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?

sheep
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But I'm not actually one, you on the other hand...
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Why?
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pigchef
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?

sheep
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I'm not being aggressive.
You're too stupid.
hf
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
Winter soltice, on the Third day after. Resurrection of the sun. Paganism.
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So why do those who call themselves "Christians", participate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8449454


What better way to stomp out the pagan holiday? Much like Rome killed and persecuted the Christians, it only took about 300 years for Christianity to take over Rome after Christ's death. Now, we look forward to once pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter as something divine, instead of something blasphemous. Simple, when you look at it through Christian glasses.
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Why?
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pigchef
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?

sheep
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I'm not being aggressive.
You're too stupid.
hf
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pigchef
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pigchef
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?

sheep
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I'm not being aggressive.
You're too stupid.
hf
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pigchef
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clinton no
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
Winter soltice, on the Third day after. Resurrection of the sun. Paganism.
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So why do those who call themselves "Christians", participate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8449454


What better way to stomp out the pagan holiday? Much like Rome killed and persecuted the Christians, it only took about 300 years for Christianity to take over Rome after Christ's death. Now, we look forward to once pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter as something divine, instead of something blasphemous. Simple, when you look at it through Christian glasses.
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bump
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
Why do you give a fuck what other people do on December 25th?

You obviously don't celebrate and you obviously have no use for the holiday, why must you piss on those that enjoy the day? Does it make you feel better about yourself to whine about something so trivial when there's so much other shit going on out in the world you could instead focus your anger and bitterness on?
 Quoting: Debauchery


Take a look at Xmas suicide and domestic violence rates and then come back and chat about how the enforced pressures of the season are "trivial".

Last Edited by ming on 12/03/2012 09:11 AM
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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I give gifts to family and friends. Because I love them and think that one day a year they should be given something. Just to show they are appreciated and loved......Its a family tradition.
Others, I'm sure do not do this. For religious beliefs or some sort of family upbringing. That's okay. Its their choice.
So.....I'm guessing you do not practice the gift giving in your family. Or you have chosen to not do it anymore?
 Quoting: Blue Skies


Purely out of interest, would you give a gift to someone who professed not to want one?
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
The oft quoted verse in the Bible refers to the construction of an idol as the custom of the Christmas tree originated in Germany. German born Victoria and Albert started to put one up in Buckingham Palace for their children in honour of the customs of their homeland. From there there the custom of the Christmas tree spread to the British ruling class and then throughout society and the western world. Boxing Day also originated in Victorian England along with the Christmas card.

The point being is that these are cultural custom and I'm sick of yids from Australia and elsewhere mocking my cultural traditions.

Go stuff a holiday candelabra up your ass.

And leave my Christmas tree alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28823587

The idea of trees as idols, bringing in evergreens in the winter, and decorating trees and your house with bright decorations during pagan holidays is very ancient.

Although the modern interpretation of the Christmas tree seems to be from Germany in the 1500's, the European pagan traditions concerning evergreens & ornaments go all the way back into ancient times and ancient lands.

Here's the bible verse concerning ancient pagans that cut down & propped up trees & then decorated them:

[link to www.biblegateway.com]

I don't think the Renaissance Germans invented the idea of winter solstice decorations and winter evergreens, although I think they expanded on earlier pagan rituals. These rituals have been with us throughout the ages.

There are many old and complimentary pagan traditions that appear to have given rise to the modern Christmas tree. Here are just a few of them:

[link to www.history.com]

I encourage you to read through the link above to see all the similarities and some of the early attitudes against the Christmas tree and other pagan rituals.

When looked at holistically, it seems apparent to me that much of the overlapping ancient pagan customs had evolved and endured into Europe and eventually into the US over time.

It's true that Christmas and its tree has become an ingrained cultural phenomenon that not only endures to today, but in many ways has surpassed it's era of Christian-orientated existence. Most of the varied rituals that we know of today as "Christmas" themes began life before the advent of Christ as pagan rituals. And now they've outlasted the "Christ" element of Christmas, and now exist in the post-Christian modern secular world of Jesus-free "X-mas" that so many non-Christians celebrate today.

It's funny and sad to me that most atheists that I talk to about Christmas easily understand, and have previous knowledge of, the pagan concepts that make up Christmas, even as discussions that I have with Christians mostly result in either complete ignorance or outright self-delusion and denial concerning this matter.

So if you want to celebrate Christmas, that's on you. I can't tell you what you can't celebrate. It's simply my job to educate people on the pagan origins of their holiday. There's no harm in learning something new.

You then, will need to take responsibility for your own educated actions.
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?

sheep
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I'm not being aggressive.
You're too stupid.
hf
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pigchef
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clinton no
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What is stupid about my answer?
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I'm not being aggressive.
You're too stupid.
hf
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pigchef
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clinton no
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What is stupid about my answer?
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pigchef
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clinton no
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What is stupid about my answer?
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putin
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LOL, you cant answer.
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
If I decide this year that I want to give gifts, I will.
If I decide this year that I do not want to give gift, I wont.
I have not bought gifts yet, I may decide either way at this point.
Not everyone feels obligated to participate because of tradition or religion. Some people can choose for themselves just based on what they want to do.
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clinton no
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What is stupid about my answer?
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putin
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LOL, you cant answer.
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
If I decide this year that I want to give gifts, I will.
If I decide this year that I do not want to give gift, I wont.
I have not bought gifts yet, I may decide either way at this point.
Not everyone feels obligated to participate because of tradition or religion. Some people can choose for themselves just based on what they want to do.
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Ok.
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What is stupid about my answer?
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putin
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LOL, you cant answer.
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
If I decide this year that I want to give gifts, I will.
If I decide this year that I do not want to give gift, I wont.
I have not bought gifts yet, I may decide either way at this point.
Not everyone feels obligated to participate because of tradition or religion. Some people can choose for themselves just based on what they want to do.
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Ok.
sheeplebah
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Okay
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
They do it because they are brainwashed by the money idol to do it each year. Some just feel obligated to do it.

I don't do it.
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DING DING DING.....thats ^^^^^ exactly it!
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Why the fuck are you so aggressive, bitch?

Do you have the answer to my original question?
hf
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Sure, bitch. I will answer why I buy gifts, not why others do nor will I bother going into the history of the pagan celebration, none it has anything to do with why I do what I do.

I buy gifts because I can. That's it.

My kids need shit, I get it for them. Of course I could buy their clothes and books and what not any other day of the year and I do but I see no harm in buying stuff and wrapping it up and letting them have a bit of fun on Christmas day. Everything they get is useful and needed so I don't see it as a waste.

I'm not religious.

hf
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Why on the 25th of December?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8449454


Because it's Christmas. Billions of people celebrate. Family and friends get extended vacations from work, we are all able to get together. I grew up celebrating Christmas, I like it, I will continue to do it every year.

What's your issue with the 25th??

Why do you not approve of people celebrating and gifting on that particular day?
 Quoting: Debauchery


For me its the issue of wastefulness, and being forced to partake in something I don't enjoy. It's only recently people have stopped forcing gifts upon me, and inundating me with greetings cards(handing someone an Xmas card whilst saying merry Xmas in person at the same time is ludicrous). But i still have to deal with strangers trying to hug and/or kiss me, asking if I "got anything good", and being hounded into going places I don't want to go, with people I usually avoid, to have plates overfilled with food I'll never be able to manage and will end up in the bin, surrounded with drunks, and all of this on the basis of "oh come on, you have to, its Christmas!"

So for someone who feels offended by the gluttony, greed, and wastefulness of the season, its UNAVOIDABLE! That's the problem. You're all ragging on OP for foisting their opinion on you, but for me the WHOLE MODERN WORLD forces this stuff on me for the entire season. My other halfs family all bought me gifts a few years ago even though I'd made it clear I wouldn't appreciate it. Told me "its all about giving" and, due to my being polite upon receiving them "see, we'll get you to like christmas!"

Interesting how their giving spirit evaporated once I thanked them for their gifts and informed them I'd donated them to charity. Apparently their generosity applies only to people who's ethics they want to shit on, and not to the less-fortunate and needy.

I'm aware that there are plenty of people who celebrate in an appropriate way, good for them. I'm sure those same people wouldn't force. me to take part against my will. Most people just get crazy over the top, and they need to back off.
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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clinton no
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What is stupid about my answer?
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putin
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LOL, you cant answer.
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
If I decide this year that I want to give gifts, I will.
If I decide this year that I do not want to give gift, I wont.
I have not bought gifts yet, I may decide either way at this point.
Not everyone feels obligated to participate because of tradition or religion. Some people can choose for themselves just based on what they want to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27162552


So if you decide not to participate do you refuse to accept gifts too?
Out of this ugliness may come,
Some day, so beautiful a flower,
That men will wonder at that hour,
Remembering smoke and flowerless slum,
And ask-glimpsing the agony
Of the slaves who wrestle to be free-
'But why were all the poets dumb?'
-William Montgomerie

So many gods, so many creeds,
So many paths that wind and wind,
While just the art of being kind
Is all the sad world needs.
-Ella Wheeler Wilcox
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Re: Someone tell me, why do people buy gifts for each other on Christmas?
Winter soltice, on the Third day after. Resurrection of the sun. Paganism.
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So why do those who call themselves "Christians", participate?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8449454


What better way to stomp out the pagan holiday? Much like Rome killed and persecuted the Christians, it only took about 300 years for Christianity to take over Rome after Christ's death. Now, we look forward to once pagan holidays like Christmas and Easter as something divine, instead of something blasphemous. Simple, when you look at it through Christian glasses.
 Quoting: Fighting Spartan

But I think the Catholic gambit backfired.

They may have wanted to stamp out paganism (questionable), but instead it infiltrated and usurped Judeo-Christian holidays. They replaced holidays that Yeshua(Jesus) observed, with holidays the pagans observed. They just tried to put a Christian face on them.

I think the end result has been a travesty.

I never understood why non-Catholics celebrate "Catholic"-invented holidays anyway.

Wouldn't it seem better to celebrate Yeshua's birthday as "Jesus' Birthday" or something similar? Why must we continue to call it "Christ's Mass?" Only Catholics celebrate "Mass", another pagan concept.

And then there are opportunities to celebrate other important Christian dates instead of the winter solstice (on the Julian calendar- they even got the day wrong,) like Ascension Day, the day Christ ascended to heaven. That seems like an important date. Why not celebrate that date? Most non-Catholics don't even know it exists. I don't think Catholics can claim exclusive rights to that holiday, as the exact day of Yeshua's ascension I believe was known in the bible, unlike Yeshua's birthday, which was not recorded in the bible.

In fact, the observance of someone's birthday in the bible seems to have been seen as a pagan thing to do, not a Judeo-Christian observance. You can infer from that what you will.

Yeshua did not tell us to observe His birth. He did make a big deal about Passover though. If you know the meaning of Passover, you'll understand that Yeshua Himself was the Passover sacrificial lamb. It is a holiday that foreshadowed the coming of Yeshua.

Resurrection Sunday has also been usurped by Easter, another pagan holiday, and a topic for it's own thread.

Even our calendar has been created with a pagan theme. We should also fix that mistake. (and not with the NJR calendar either!)
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What is stupid about my answer?
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putin
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LOL, you cant answer.
I give gifts to others on Christmas because I want to.
If I decide this year that I want to give gifts, I will.
If I decide this year that I do not want to give gift, I wont.
I have not bought gifts yet, I may decide either way at this point.
Not everyone feels obligated to participate because of tradition or religion. Some people can choose for themselves just based on what they want to do.
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So if you decide not to participate do you refuse to accept gifts too?
 Quoting: ming


I do not want any gifts. What other people do I can not control.
I really agree with your post just above. I try to be polite about it too when someone tries to give me a gift.
My family is pagan in their beliefs and they have gone over the top before. Even though every year they ask me what do I want and I say nothing every time, they still get something and still I tell them it is unnecessary. They do not act like I am obligated to give gifts or receive them. But they do it because they want to. And they stopped giving me presents on my birthday at my request. Which I am pretty happy about.

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