THE LAW,FAITH AND WORKS GO HAND IN HAND! NO EXCUSES IT IS WRITTEN

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." -Romans 4:5

Romans 7
King James Version (KJV)

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Religion sucks 24:7

You might be parsing that wrong. The law (Law of Moses) was 430 years after the promise. The law cannot change the promise. The promise referred to is stated in Galatians 3:16:

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
(Galatians 3:16)

The covenant with Abraham (the promise) was first, the law (Law of Moses) came later. The law can't change the promise already made.

you read the thread or not? why do you argue against the word .This is in your new testament.I already established that the law cannot be done away because messiah is the law..Why ARE YOU ASKING THE SAME QUESTION?

Please tell me also or show me where moses made and gave his own law because the law came from the Laswgiver


Exd 24:12 And the LORD said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.


Num 31:21 And Eleazar the priest said unto the men of war which went to the battle, This [is] the ordinance of the law which the LORD commanded Moses;

Deu 1:5 On this side Jordan, in the land of Moab, began
Moses to declare this law, saying,

Deu 4:44 And this [is] the law which Moses set before the children of Israel:


Deu 31:9 And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it unto the priests the sons of Levi, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and unto all the elders of Israel.


Now tell me who coined the phrase "moses law" when it was the fathers law?

*MOSES LAW REFERRED TO IN BIBLICAL TERMS ARE THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS OF YOUR BIBLE*

MESSIAH CAME TO CONTINUE AND FULFILL ALL THAT WAS SHOWN OF AND SPOKEN TO MOSES BY HIS FATHER IN THE LAW. HE WAS ORDIANED THE NEXT PROPHET AFTER MOSES TO BE LIKE MOSES TO LEAD HIS PEOPLE TO THE PROMISED HOPE.

18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Acts 3:22

How come then you speak of moses law in your context and you all don't say Jesus law? because he came as a messeger of his father with the law as you see in Galations 3

YOU FOLK LIKE THE CLICHES OF YOUR MODERN CHURCH AND JUST SAY THINGS WITHOUT THINKING IT THROUGH

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/04/2012 09:25 AM

OP -"you read the thread or not? why do you argue against the word .This is in your new testament.I already established that the law cannot be done away because messiah is the law..Why ARE YOU ASKING THE SAME QUESTION?"

I'm not the person that this was directed at, but I had the same observation as them. Your choice of the modern KJV translation for that Galations 3:17 passage is wanting - and appears to be used by you in confusion. I'm not suggesting that you are purposely confusing, but your lack of clarity in making your point is frustrating.

Paul makes the following observations in Galatians 3
- Promises were made to Abraham and his "seed", which was to be Jesus.
- This promise, this covenant, made to Abraham and his "seed" is not set aside by the giving of the law to Moses and the Israelites 430 years after that promise, that covenant, made to Abraham and his "seed". The covenant made to Abraham stands alone because it was a promise that the Father will keep, regardless of the disobedience that Israel displayed under the 'Mosaic covenant'. "God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."
- Paul then goes on to state the reason WHY the law had been given - because of transgressions "till the seed might come to which the promise hath been made" - Christ.

For the sake of clarification as to your thinking and discussion, can you tell me where you differ on Galatians 3? I am not arguing about whether or not we are to purposely sin, because the New Testament is clear on the matter - no. It is the Spirit's writing His law upon our hearts that teaches us and it is that same Spirit that leads us to enter His rest whereby we cease our own works and do His will and works that glorify Him.

I found your response to the other post very harsh, when they were simply trying to gain clarification from you as to what you wrote. I hope that you will answer my honest and sincere question in brotherly love.


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the thread is self explanatory if you have an issue understanding the verses then pray about it don't argue with me.i am saying the same thing the promise is christ the lawe and it cannot be disannuled

The person before was corrected before and he did not really read the thread. The thread is precept on precept to show the law and who is the lawgiver and to establish faith and works are all in union.. Aparently you did not read the thread either but jumped right on someones misunderstanding and willful misinterpretation of the thread

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"Please tell me also or show me where moses made and gave his own law because the law came from the Laswgiver"

**1We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. 2For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, 3how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. 4God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will.**

".i am saying the same thing the promise is christ the lawe and it cannot be disannuled"

The promise is not "Christ".
The promise was that all the families of the earth were to be blessed through Abraham's "seed", Christ.
That promise was made TO Abraham.
Therefore the promise is not "Christ the law" as you state. The promise to Abraham was that his seed, Christ Jesus, would bless all the families of the earth.

The very first verse of the New Testament: “Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham”(Matthew 1:1).

And that is why I am happy I am saved by amazing Grace.

he is the promise to his people to redeem them to the new jerusalem the restored kingdom on earth. YOU CANNOT SEE THIS BECAUASE YOU ARE STILL THINKING LIKE A SUNDAY SCHOOL KID

This is ignorance again rearing its head Moses never gave anyone his own laws.The books of moses are the laws.This is what the bible means when you see the law of moses it is referring to the first five books of the bible.

The heavenly father gave mosses commandments and ordinances on mount sinai and showed him the things he showed also to enoch regarding the coing messiah and the end of the time.

Messiah said I come in the volume of the book, that was the book of the law and the prophets meaning [genesis exodus leviticus deuteroomy and numbers]called the books of the law of moses.

The prophets[kings,isaiah jeremiah,ezra,nahum obediah micah etc]

Until you all learn to understand these things instead of arguing there waill never be clarity on the precepts of the bible

This will be the future when Israel is restored in the promised land.THis will come through christ who have already redeemed his seed through his death.tHE SEEDS ARE LOST AND HIDEN BUT WILL COME AGAIN AS PROMISED AND WILL LIVE IN THEIR OWN TERRITORY IN ISARAEL

Thus, the two divisions of the tribes are:

Traditional division:

1.Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Levi
4.Judah
5.Issachar
6.Zebulun
7.Dan
8.Naphtali
9.Gad
10.Asher
11.Joseph
12.Benjamin


Division according to apportionment of land in Israel:

1.Reuben
2.Simeon
3.Judah
4.Issachar
5.Zebulun
6.Dan
7.Naphtali
8.Gad
9.Asher
10.Benjamin
11.Ephraim (son of Joseph)
12.Manasseh (son of Joseph)
Levi (no territorial allotment, except a number of cities located within the territories of the other tribes)

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/04/2012 04:02 PM

No, OP. You've got it wrong. It doesn't say Christ is the law. It says the law cannot change the promise made to Abraham 430 years before the law.

What is the word of God the father? Who is the word of God the father?

The written word is what? the law and the prophets meaning the book of the law of moses and the other books isaih ezek daniel etc

You need to understand this

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

The father the lawgiver and his word is his son the living word.

He said it in matthew chapter 5:17 he came to fulfill the law not to destroy it and along as theis a heaven and an earth it stands.If any man teach others to go against it or reject it he will be least.

Messiah fulfilled most of the prophecies and is still fulfilling the promises made to abraham and it will be completed as said in corinthians chapter 15


22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
Ps 110:1 Matt 22:44 Luke 20:43 Acts 2:34 Heb 1:13

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
Psa 8:6 Eph 1:22 Heb 2:8

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And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/04/2012 04:19 PM