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Dear Christians I have question.

 
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Father's Love Letter To You:




My Child,



You may not know me, but I know everything about you. Psalm 139:1 I know when you sit down and when you rise up. Psalm 139:2 I am familiar with all your ways. Psalm 139:3 Even the very hairs on your head are numbered. Matthew 10:29-31 For you were made in my image. Genesis 1:27 In me you live and move and have your being. Acts 17:28 For you are my offspring. Acts 17:28 I knew you even before you were conceived. Jeremiah 1:4-5 I chose you when I planned creation. Ephesians 1:11-12 You were not a mistake, for all your days are written in my book. Psalm 139:15-16 I determined the exact time of your birth and where you would live. Acts 17:26 You are fearfully and wonderfully made. Psalm 139:14 I knit you together in your mother's womb. Psalm 139:13 And brought you forth on the day you were born. Psalm 71:6 I have been misrepresented by those who don't know me. John 8:41-44 I am not distant and angry, but am the complete expression of love. 1 John 4:16 And it is my desire to lavish my love on you. 1 John 3:1 Simply because you are my child and I am your Father. 1 John 3:1 I offer you more than your earthly father ever could. Matthew 7:11 For I am the perfect father. Matthew 5:48 Every good gift that you receive comes from my hand. James 1:17 For I am your provider and I meet all your needs. Matthew 6:31-33 My plan for your future has always been filled with hope. Jeremiah 29:11 Because I love you with an everlasting love. Jeremiah 31:3 My thoughts toward you are countless as the sand on the seashore. Psalms 139:17-18 And I rejoice over you with singing. Zephaniah 3:17 I will never stop doing good to you. Jeremiah 32:40 For you are my treasured possession. Exodus 19:5 I desire to establish you with all my heart and all my soul. Jeremiah 32:41 And I want to show you great and marvelous things. Jeremiah 33:3 If you seek me with all your heart, you will find me. Deuteronomy 4:29 Delight in me and I will give you the desires of your heart. Psalm 37:4 For it is I who gave you those desires. Philippians 2:13 I am able to do more for you than you could possibly imagine. Ephesians 3:20 For I am your greatest encourager. 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17 I am also the Father who comforts you in all your troubles. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4 When you are brokenhearted, I am close to you. Psalm 34:18 As a shepherd carries a lamb, I have carried you close to my heart. Isaiah 40:11 One day I will wipe away every tear from your eyes. Revelation 21:3-4 And I'll take away all the pain you have suffered on this earth. Revelation 21:3-4 I am your Father, and I love you even as I love my son, Jesus. John 17:23 For in Jesus, my love for you is revealed. John 17:26 He is the exact representation of my being. Hebrews 1:3 He came to demonstrate that I am for you, not against you. Romans 8:31 And to tell you that I am not counting your sins. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled. 2 Corinthians 5:18-19 His death was the ultimate expression of my love for you. 1 John 4:10 I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love. Romans 8:31-32 If you receive the gift of my son Jesus, you receive me. 1 John 2:23 And nothing will ever separate you from my love again. Romans 8:38-39 Come home and I'll throw the biggest party heaven has ever seen. Luke 15:7 I have always been Father, and will always be Father. Ephesians 3:14-15 My question is…Will you be my child? John 1:12-13 I am waiting for you. Luke 15:11-32.



Love from,



Your Dad-Almighty God
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"So he regretted it but didnt have the ability to save us all? Wow he sounds like such an all knowing and all powerful god..."


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God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.


He has already gone to the cross......to save you.


So why do you say that He does not have the ability to save you?


He has given the Way of Salvation......but you reject it. That is called being in rebellion against God.


Why would any king allow his enemies and those in rebellion against Him into His castle ?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


So the thought of us going to hell doesnt please him yet he still sends about 75% of us there because weve been bad little humans?

So god sacrificed himself to save us from his judgement? Even though he still only saves a limited number of people who read the correct book?

I am saved my friend as are you.

Do you really think that god is a being? That he is a man?

I do not reject god, i reject nicean scripture that has been used for centuries to control the sheep like you.

Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?
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"So he regretted it but didnt have the ability to save us all? Wow he sounds like such an all knowing and all powerful god..."


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God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.


He has already gone to the cross......to save you.


So why do you say that He does not have the ability to save you?


He has given the Way of Salvation......but you reject it. That is called being in rebellion against God.


Why would any king allow his enemies and those in rebellion against Him into His castle ?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


So the thought of us going to hell doesnt please him yet he still sends about 75% of us there because weve been bad little humans?

So god sacrificed himself to save us from his judgement? Even though he still only saves a limited number of people who read the correct book?

I am saved my friend as are you.

Do you really think that god is a being? That he is a man?

I do not reject god, i reject nicean scripture that has been used for centuries to control the sheep like you.

Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


The Fire burns for eternity. Yet the souls are not eternal. = NO ETERNAL TORTURE.
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"Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and "


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381.....you soul is very important.

I am hopeful that God will visit you personally.


He paid me a visit in Sept of 1988. I was not seeking God.....nor had I opened a bible.


Christ is the Seeker.


God showed me Himself that I was lost.


I therefore gave my life to Christ.


He is alive.....and real......and there are others as well on this forum who can testify to this.
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God is omnipresent is he not??..yes..he IS

He is all knowing..

all powerful..

and NOTHING he does is by mistake..

he CANT make mistakes because he is GOD right??

He is also LOVE..pure and sweet and gentle...loving enough to suffer a very horrible death for us correct??

So answer this question..without quoting a bible verse..answer it with your OWN words.

Back at the start..at the very beginning..before Satan rebelled and fell...God already KNEW he would do so didnt he??

YES..he MUST have..after all..he is ALL knowing.

So satan FELL...

And was cast to earth...

Then just after that God made Man. He also KNEW HE would fall too. He also created and brought into being every human who has ever lived..and he ALSO knew IN ADVANCE..who would serve him and who would not.

Correct??..I MUST be..because God is EVERYWHERE in time at ONCE.

He is also right NOW at the END of time with the book of life sittining right in front of him...seperating sheep from goats...saints from sinners..correct??

I MUST be because God is ALL KNOWING and ALWAYS PRESENT at ALL places in ALL history for ALL TIME..

So..nothing takes God by surprise...correct??

SO WHY then did he create BILLIONS of humans who he KNEW FULL WELL would FALL and NOT follow him??

And more to the point..why did he create eternal fire for those who fell if he KNEW from the start they would fall?

Does he get some sort of kick out of creating creatures he KNEW would not follow him and torturing them alive in flames forever??

So he created them simply and ONLY to BURN.

Please explain.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17438940


The fact that you are missing is that free will is based upon action. Just as Jesus Christ still had to die on the cross for those who would choose for Him to cement that choice, we all have to live out our lives in order to freely choose our eternal status, whether God knows the outcome or not.

God has placed every single chance to know Him in front of each of us, in many ways and at every moment that is possible, hence the 'spreading of the gospel', the wonders of His creation, the physical presence of Jesus Christ and ultimately, His book, the Bible. Just being here, right now, is an opportunity for YOU to give Him the chance to reveal Himself.

God wishes none to perish and every single time we have the opportunity to hear about Him, is Him offering us a chance to know Him and to come to Him. If we die and never responded to any of these opportunities, then that is WE who make a purposeful choice in this whole matter to ignore the small, still voice of God, who calls to us.

Him knowing, is Him being able to place, at every path and obstacle, a way for you to be saved. It is you, who believe the same lie satan told Adam and Eve and veer off this path that He tries to call you to.
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WHY would god even bother trying to call anyone if her knew in advance that no matter how and when he called that person would never respond?
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So, that when you stand before Him in judgement, your choice is cemented and no one can cry foul since He still gave you every viable opportunity. God allows life to go on, basically, for those who WOULD choose for Him; those who never will or would are the 'clay' that is used for His purpose in establishing His will, prophecy and to benefit those who do.
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"So he regretted it but didnt have the ability to save us all? Wow he sounds like such an all knowing and all powerful god..."


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God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.


He has already gone to the cross......to save you.


So why do you say that He does not have the ability to save you?


He has given the Way of Salvation......but you reject it. That is called being in rebellion against God.


Why would any king allow his enemies and those in rebellion against Him into His castle ?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


So the thought of us going to hell doesnt please him yet he still sends about 75% of us there because weve been bad little humans?

So god sacrificed himself to save us from his judgement? Even though he still only saves a limited number of people who read the correct book?

I am saved my friend as are you.

Do you really think that god is a being? That he is a man?

I do not reject god, i reject nicean scripture that has been used for centuries to control the sheep like you.

Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


The Fire burns for eternity. Yet the souls are not eternal. = NO ETERNAL TORTURE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Okay? Then torutre until the soul no longer exists... That makes your god even worse so what is your point? haha
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How do you guys really make the sense of what the Holy Bible tell us?

That God sacrificed himself, to himself, to remove the curse he put on us?
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God didn't put the curse on us.
He warned Adam and Eve what would happen if they disobeyed and ate the fruit of knowledge, thus humankind, through Adam and Eve put the curse on ourselves, by our own choice.

God gave the LAW to provide human beings a way for salvation but no one, NOT ONE MAN or WOMAN was able to keep the law. So the Law only condemned us even more and exposed our sins so that it was clear that we all deserved death <- the ultimate punishment for SIN or EVIL.

The Son of God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the Flesh has to come into the world to accomplish what His creation (man) could not.

Because He had mercy on us, HE came to accomplish the task of being RIGHTEOUS before the LAW and fulfilling it and because HE overcame, He was raised to Life everlasting, because HE was without SIN and death could not hold HIM for there was nothing for death to hold on to. For death is only for those WITH SIN IN THEM.

Because of this, Jesus abolished death and ascended and sits on the right hand throne of the Father and has ALL POWER, for HE is God Almighty.

And though HE did not have to, He extended this Grace and Gift to all who would BELIEVE IN HIS NAME, BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF SALVATION THROUGH HIM. BELIEVE IN HIS RESURRECTION that this hope may be with all those that choose to BELIEVE IN HIM.

Because NO ONE ELSE COULD DO IT, God did it, to save us. Because HE had mercy on us and gave us ETERNAL HOPE IN HIM.

Because HE conquered death, HE gives to anyone the same resurrection and a place to be with HIM forever. For all those that will LIVE will LIVE THROUGH HIM AND HIM ALONE.

For HE is the author of all that is Love.
All that is Righteous.
All that is Good.
All that is Life.

After all HE is the CREATOR and defines all of creation.

In Jesus Christ.
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So let me get this straight. God created satan and banished him to earth once he rebelled. God then created man and placed adam and eve on the same planet he banished his arch nemesis to. He the whispered into adam and eves ears not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan then appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from the tree. Now that humanity has eaten from the tree satan has the power to condemn our eternal souls and the only thing god could do about it was to incarnate as a human and die on a cross and ascend into heaven in order to open up the pathway to heaven. Many years after he died on the cross and resurected as christ he spoke to a few prophets and had them write a few stories and put the together in a book. He now doesnt have any new prophets and forces us to read the biblical scripture and worship jesus christ in order for our eternal souls not to be tortured for all eternity?

That is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will.

Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning.
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Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
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"So he regretted it but didnt have the ability to save us all? Wow he sounds like such an all knowing and all powerful god..."


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God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked.


He has already gone to the cross......to save you.


So why do you say that He does not have the ability to save you?


He has given the Way of Salvation......but you reject it. That is called being in rebellion against God.


Why would any king allow his enemies and those in rebellion against Him into His castle ?????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


So the thought of us going to hell doesnt please him yet he still sends about 75% of us there because weve been bad little humans?

So god sacrificed himself to save us from his judgement? Even though he still only saves a limited number of people who read the correct book?

I am saved my friend as are you.

Do you really think that god is a being? That he is a man?

I do not reject god, i reject nicean scripture that has been used for centuries to control the sheep like you.

Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


The Fire burns for eternity. Yet the souls are not eternal. = NO ETERNAL TORTURE.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26268975


Okay? Then torutre until the soul no longer exists... That makes your god even worse so what is your point? haha
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The point: NO ETERNAL TORTURE, again for the silly ones like you.
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Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?
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What child would disobey knowing the consequence for that disobedience?
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Yeah a good smack on the ass is justifiable but an eternal seperation from god and torture for all eternity is a little more harsh then a spanking... Your god is a psychopath who allows his creations to be captured by an evil entity he created... You are a lost soul my friend.




He is telling mankind come to me that you won't be seperated from me. If you do not then you will be seperated from me. It's about CHOICE, THE CHOICE YOU MAKE IS YOUR WILL, FREE WILL. You don't have to be seperated from God. CHOICE IS YOURS.
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He is saying bow to me, kiss my ring and accept jesus christ as your lord and savior or i will hand you over to my executioner to be tortured for the rest of your eternal life. What a sweet and beautiful god... You really worship this god with a clean conscience?

So how do you justify people born in nations where other religions are prominent? How do you justify god sending children from africa to hell? People brainwashed into the islamic religion? Budhist monks? Ghandi?

I am not seperated from god for "he" lives within me.
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clappa

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"Oh big fucking deal how christ died. Lots of people have died in thousands of times the pain christ endured. How is it a sacrifice if you know you arent actually going to die or be judged? Chrit was god incarnate so how is incarnating on earth and unwillingly being strung up on a cross a sacrifice? Christ didnt willingly walk up to the cross and say hang me for the sins of man... he was murdered..."


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Christ came into this world.......to go to the cross......and stood silent before His accusers.


He could have summoned legions of angels to destroy the Romans.....but did not do this.


1st Coming.....Suffering Servant


2nd Coming.....King (He will destroy the armies standing against Him with a Word from His mouth).


His first coming was foretold in the Psalms and the book of Isaiah....the coming of the suffering servant and sacrifice for mankind.


Psalms......written approx. 1,000 B.C.

Isaish......written approx. 700 B.C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and the council of nicea.
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Well said!! You surely seem to be aware what the true plans of TPTB are, and how Jesus Christ second coming fit into the picture. The greatest deception that will be pulled upon mankind will be done through that very identity that world have come to recognize as Jesus Christ, that long haired, blue eyed charismatic handsome man. Most likely very few will resist him, because hundred years have been dedicated to brainwash masses into believing of his physical second coming to set mankind free. Except this man comes like wolf wearing sheep clothes, and will enslave mankind. TPTB real and greatest goal is not to establish physical totalitarian world government here on physical world, but their greatest goal is to spiritually enslave our spirits for good on this physical realm, and this will be done I believe through establishing Intellectuality as greatest object of mankind.

He will deceive many and all the major religions of the world especially of Abrahamic Religions are involved in this grand conspiracy and for long have successfully conditioned the mind of their followers to expect what the TPTB have store in them.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe this is what everything is really all about.
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"Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and "


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381.....you soul is very important.

I am hopeful that God will visit you personally.


He paid me a visit in Sept of 1988. I was not seeking God.....nor had I opened a bible.


Christ is the Seeker.


God showed me Himself that I was lost.


I therefore gave my life to Christ.


He is alive.....and real......and there are others as well on this forum who can testify to this.
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I believe that your a good person. i believe that you believe in the scripture. I believe that you are stuck in a paradigm. Once you break from that paradigm you can begin to see just how beautiful god truly is.

Do yourself a favor and research the jesuits. You will not regret it and it will surely alter your paradigm and begin the "enlightenment" AKA Quest of knowledge.
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"Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?"


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Children?


You are not a child of God until you are born again by the Holy Spirit......indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.



When a person gives their life to Christ......and follow Him........they immediately pass from being an enemy of God.......to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.
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God didn't put the curse on us.
He warned Adam and Eve what would happen if they disobeyed and ate the fruit of knowledge, thus humankind, through Adam and Eve put the curse on ourselves, by our own choice.

God gave the LAW to provide human beings a way for salvation but no one, NOT ONE MAN or WOMAN was able to keep the law. So the Law only condemned us even more and exposed our sins so that it was clear that we all deserved death <- the ultimate punishment for SIN or EVIL.

The Son of God, Jesus Christ, who is God in the Flesh has to come into the world to accomplish what His creation (man) could not.

Because He had mercy on us, HE came to accomplish the task of being RIGHTEOUS before the LAW and fulfilling it and because HE overcame, He was raised to Life everlasting, because HE was without SIN and death could not hold HIM for there was nothing for death to hold on to. For death is only for those WITH SIN IN THEM.

Because of this, Jesus abolished death and ascended and sits on the right hand throne of the Father and has ALL POWER, for HE is God Almighty.

And though HE did not have to, He extended this Grace and Gift to all who would BELIEVE IN HIS NAME, BELIEVE IN THE POWER OF SALVATION THROUGH HIM. BELIEVE IN HIS RESURRECTION that this hope may be with all those that choose to BELIEVE IN HIM.

Because NO ONE ELSE COULD DO IT, God did it, to save us. Because HE had mercy on us and gave us ETERNAL HOPE IN HIM.

Because HE conquered death, HE gives to anyone the same resurrection and a place to be with HIM forever. For all those that will LIVE will LIVE THROUGH HIM AND HIM ALONE.

For HE is the author of all that is Love.
All that is Righteous.
All that is Good.
All that is Life.

After all HE is the CREATOR and defines all of creation.

In Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1159544


So let me get this straight. God created satan and banished him to earth once he rebelled. God then created man and placed adam and eve on the same planet he banished his arch nemesis to. He the whispered into adam and eves ears not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan then appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from the tree. Now that humanity has eaten from the tree satan has the power to condemn our eternal souls and the only thing god could do about it was to incarnate as a human and die on a cross and ascend into heaven in order to open up the pathway to heaven. Many years after he died on the cross and resurected as christ he spoke to a few prophets and had them write a few stories and put the together in a book. He now doesnt have any new prophets and forces us to read the biblical scripture and worship jesus christ in order for our eternal souls not to be tortured for all eternity?

That is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will.

Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
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When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
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"Oh big fucking deal how christ died. Lots of people have died in thousands of times the pain christ endured. How is it a sacrifice if you know you arent actually going to die or be judged? Chrit was god incarnate so how is incarnating on earth and unwillingly being strung up on a cross a sacrifice? Christ didnt willingly walk up to the cross and say hang me for the sins of man... he was murdered..."


*******************************************


Christ came into this world.......to go to the cross......and stood silent before His accusers.


He could have summoned legions of angels to destroy the Romans.....but did not do this.


1st Coming.....Suffering Servant


2nd Coming.....King (He will destroy the armies standing against Him with a Word from His mouth).


His first coming was foretold in the Psalms and the book of Isaiah....the coming of the suffering servant and sacrifice for mankind.


Psalms......written approx. 1,000 B.C.

Isaish......written approx. 700 B.C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and the council of nicea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Well said!! You surely seem to be aware what the true plans of TPTB are, and how Jesus Christ second coming fit into the picture. The greatest deception that will be pulled upon mankind will be done through that very identity that world have come to recognize as Jesus Christ, that long haired, blue eyed charismatic handsome man. Most likely very few will resist him, because hundred years have been dedicated to brainwash masses into believing of his physical second coming to set mankind free. Except this man comes like wolf wearing sheep clothes, and will enslave mankind. TPTB real and greatest goal is not to establish physical totalitarian world government here on physical world, but their greatest goal is to spiritually enslave our spirits for good on this physical realm, and this will be done I believe through establishing Intellectuality as greatest object of mankind.

He will deceive many and all the major religions of the world especially of Abrahamic Religions are involved in this grand conspiracy and for long have successfully conditioned the mind of their followers to expect what the TPTB have store in them.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe this is what everything is really all about.
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd 28432374


wow OP, you nailed it my friend.

This is what will transpire. Earth changes and war will son begin to take place all over the globe. Project blue beam and astral dieties will appear throughout the world. They will call for a new world order of peace and love. "Christ" will be the leader. He will swindle all of the religions together using other religious figures. They will unite the world under a one world religion in worship of "Christ." It will seem like heaven on earth because TPTB have advanced technology that will allow us to do things we have never done before and all of the new agers as well as christians will bow to this new political structure. This has been the interdimensional "reptilian" plan since they first arrived on earth. As of right now they feed off of fear but soon they will feed off of our love. They will keep us in a dumbed down state of bliss and love. we will feel free but we will be even more controlled than we are now.

Our only chance is to ascend a higher frequency so that we can travel between realms and try to take these false gods out of the picture.

The time we are living is the most important time in the history of humanity and soon you will see why my friend.
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So let me get this straight. God created satan and banished him to earth once he rebelled. God then created man and placed adam and eve on the same planet he banished his arch nemesis to. He the whispered into adam and eves ears not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan then appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from the tree. Now that humanity has eaten from the tree satan has the power to condemn our eternal souls and the only thing god could do about it was to incarnate as a human and die on a cross and ascend into heaven in order to open up the pathway to heaven. Many years after he died on the cross and resurected as christ he spoke to a few prophets and had them write a few stories and put the together in a book. He now doesnt have any new prophets and forces us to read the biblical scripture and worship jesus christ in order for our eternal souls not to be tortured for all eternity?

That is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life.
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Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will.

Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25602489


When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
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If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does...
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Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will.

Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25602489


When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this?
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"Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?"


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Children?


You are not a child of God until you are born again by the Holy Spirit......indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.



When a person gives their life to Christ......and follow Him........they immediately pass from being an enemy of God.......to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.
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Okay... Why would any god allow his creations to be tortured for eternity if he loves them?

So the creator of everything has enemies? and i am one of his enemies because i refuse to subscribe to a religion that has been manipulated for political gain and control over the sheeple? hahaha Your god is an evil god.
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Children?


You are not a child of God until you are born again by the Holy Spirit......indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.



When a person gives their life to Christ......and follow Him........they immediately pass from being an enemy of God.......to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


Okay... Why would any god allow his creations to be tortured for eternity if he loves them?

So the creator of everything has enemies? and i am one of his enemies because i refuse to subscribe to a religion that has been manipulated for political gain and control over the sheeple? hahaha Your god is an evil god.
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What child would disobey knowing the consequence for that disobedience?
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Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25602489


When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635




“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”
Psalm 9:17…

"he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever:

and they have no rest day nor night..."

~ Revelation 14:10-11

Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy.
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When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635




“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”
Psalm 9:17…

"he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever:

and they have no rest day nor night..."

~ Revelation 14:10-11

Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


And the 'rape' part???
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"Oh big fucking deal how christ died. Lots of people have died in thousands of times the pain christ endured. How is it a sacrifice if you know you arent actually going to die or be judged? Chrit was god incarnate so how is incarnating on earth and unwillingly being strung up on a cross a sacrifice? Christ didnt willingly walk up to the cross and say hang me for the sins of man... he was murdered..."


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Christ came into this world.......to go to the cross......and stood silent before His accusers.


He could have summoned legions of angels to destroy the Romans.....but did not do this.


1st Coming.....Suffering Servant


2nd Coming.....King (He will destroy the armies standing against Him with a Word from His mouth).


His first coming was foretold in the Psalms and the book of Isaiah....the coming of the suffering servant and sacrifice for mankind.


Psalms......written approx. 1,000 B.C.

Isaish......written approx. 700 B.C.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and the council of nicea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Well said!! You surely seem to be aware what the true plans of TPTB are, and how Jesus Christ second coming fit into the picture. The greatest deception that will be pulled upon mankind will be done through that very identity that world have come to recognize as Jesus Christ, that long haired, blue eyed charismatic handsome man. Most likely very few will resist him, because hundred years have been dedicated to brainwash masses into believing of his physical second coming to set mankind free. Except this man comes like wolf wearing sheep clothes, and will enslave mankind. TPTB real and greatest goal is not to establish physical totalitarian world government here on physical world, but their greatest goal is to spiritually enslave our spirits for good on this physical realm, and this will be done I believe through establishing Intellectuality as greatest object of mankind.

He will deceive many and all the major religions of the world especially of Abrahamic Religions are involved in this grand conspiracy and for long have successfully conditioned the mind of their followers to expect what the TPTB have store in them.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe this is what everything is really all about.
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd 28432374


wow OP, you nailed it my friend.

This is what will transpire. Earth changes and war will son begin to take place all over the globe. Project blue beam and astral dieties will appear throughout the world. They will call for a new world order of peace and love. "Christ" will be the leader. He will swindle all of the religions together using other religious figures. They will unite the world under a one world religion in worship of "Christ." It will seem like heaven on earth because TPTB have advanced technology that will allow us to do things we have never done before and all of the new agers as well as christians will bow to this new political structure. This has been the interdimensional "reptilian" plan since they first arrived on earth. As of right now they feed off of fear but soon they will feed off of our love. They will keep us in a dumbed down state of bliss and love. we will feel free but we will be even more controlled than we are now.

Our only chance is to ascend a higher frequency so that we can travel between realms and try to take these false gods out of the picture.

The time we are living is the most important time in the history of humanity and soon you will see why my friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Appreciate your input my friend, I have to go now to sleep but will check this topic tomorrow again, thanks for you and everyone else who contributed by sharing their own opinion. Have a pleasant debate and Peace and Love. :)
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If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635




“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”
Psalm 9:17…

"he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever:

and they have no rest day nor night..."

~ Revelation 14:10-11

Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


And the 'rape' part???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Oh my god, do you christias take every word you read lterally? Jesus christ! you guys are hillarious!
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Well he didnt have a choice... The second coming was added to the bible by constantine so that when SHTF nobody would rebel... This allowed for deep corruption behind the scenes with noone asking questions... This card has now been played many times throughout history and right now it is being played again...
Psalms, isaish, all other biblical scripture...... Manipulated approx. 325 A.D. by constantine and the council of nicea.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Well said!! You surely seem to be aware what the true plans of TPTB are, and how Jesus Christ second coming fit into the picture. The greatest deception that will be pulled upon mankind will be done through that very identity that world have come to recognize as Jesus Christ, that long haired, blue eyed charismatic handsome man. Most likely very few will resist him, because hundred years have been dedicated to brainwash masses into believing of his physical second coming to set mankind free. Except this man comes like wolf wearing sheep clothes, and will enslave mankind. TPTB real and greatest goal is not to establish physical totalitarian world government here on physical world, but their greatest goal is to spiritually enslave our spirits for good on this physical realm, and this will be done I believe through establishing Intellectuality as greatest object of mankind.

He will deceive many and all the major religions of the world especially of Abrahamic Religions are involved in this grand conspiracy and for long have successfully conditioned the mind of their followers to expect what the TPTB have store in them.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe this is what everything is really all about.
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd 28432374


wow OP, you nailed it my friend.

This is what will transpire. Earth changes and war will son begin to take place all over the globe. Project blue beam and astral dieties will appear throughout the world. They will call for a new world order of peace and love. "Christ" will be the leader. He will swindle all of the religions together using other religious figures. They will unite the world under a one world religion in worship of "Christ." It will seem like heaven on earth because TPTB have advanced technology that will allow us to do things we have never done before and all of the new agers as well as christians will bow to this new political structure. This has been the interdimensional "reptilian" plan since they first arrived on earth. As of right now they feed off of fear but soon they will feed off of our love. They will keep us in a dumbed down state of bliss and love. we will feel free but we will be even more controlled than we are now.

Our only chance is to ascend a higher frequency so that we can travel between realms and try to take these false gods out of the picture.

The time we are living is the most important time in the history of humanity and soon you will see why my friend.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Appreciate your input my friend, I have to go now to sleep but will check this topic tomorrow again, thanks for you and everyone else who contributed by sharing their own opinion. Have a pleasant debate and Peace and Love. :)
 Quoting: Kurdish Shepherd 28432374


Peace and love to you as well my friend.

In Lak`ech!
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Please, enlighten me to scripture which states this?
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“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”
Psalm 9:17…

"he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever:

and they have no rest day nor night..."

~ Revelation 14:10-11

Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


And the 'rape' part???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Oh my god, do you christias take every word you read lterally? Jesus christ! you guys are hillarious!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Oh, so you were embellishing in order to paint a worse picture of God? There is no 'rape' in the scenario? These were your own words and you were lying?

Gotcha!
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Forget religion it's garbage. The scriptures are giving you an insight for a person to have a relationship with God not religion. It's spirituality. It's a supernatural experience. If you want to have a relationship with the Creator then you have to go to the bridge. That's Jesus Christ because he died that you may have a relationship with the creator. Not religious garbage but the real deal. I have experienced his presence and power and majesty. This not something that is just words. It's real tangible not just simple words that are on a book. These are supernatural, Spiritual experiences that reveals that the scripture were written by Men of God. Yes these writings have been used for evil purposes by men. But the message is for one to have a relationship with the Creator.
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“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.”
Psalm 9:17…

"he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone

in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

And the smoke of their torment assented up forever and ever:

and they have no rest day nor night..."

~ Revelation 14:10-11

Your idiotic nicean scripture is bullshit buddy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


And the 'rape' part???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Oh my god, do you christias take every word you read lterally? Jesus christ! you guys are hillarious!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Oh, so you were embellishing in order to paint a worse picture of God? There is no 'rape' in the scenario? These were your own words and you were lying?

Gotcha!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Hahaha oh yeah? did you get me?

Okay forget the rape part, even thoug i have heard many christians state that this does occur in hell.

Now what do you have to say about my previous statement?
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So let me get this straight. God created satan and banished him to earth once he rebelled. God then created man and placed adam and eve on the same planet he banished his arch nemesis to. He the whispered into adam and eves ears not to eat from the tree of knowledge. Satan then appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from the tree. Now that humanity has eaten from the tree satan has the power to condemn our eternal souls and the only thing god could do about it was to incarnate as a human and die on a cross and ascend into heaven in order to open up the pathway to heaven. Many years after he died on the cross and resurected as christ he spoke to a few prophets and had them write a few stories and put the together in a book. He now doesnt have any new prophets and forces us to read the biblical scripture and worship jesus christ in order for our eternal souls not to be tortured for all eternity?

That is by far the stupidest thing i have ever heard in my entire life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381


Context, context, context. Adam and Eve were immortal and pure. This is the clue; the tree they ate from was called what....you guessed it, The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They would have never known evil if they hadn't done evil in the first place. But, just as Satan was the first rebel with the free will to disobey, God gave Adam and Eve this same right. Satan hated what God had created and he used lies to mislead them to this action. They had the choice to listen to satan or to listen to God. This tree was placed there for the express purpose of allowing this free will.

Just as any parent who truly loves their children, disciplines their children; God, told them ahead of time and warned of the consequences. It is not a curse, but is mankind exercising their right to choose. Evil was now a part of the human race. This evil, or sin, is what has alienated us from God, but He knows all that will transpire and had the solution already in the wings...Jesus Christ, the Word, who was there from the beginning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004635


Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the many incredible inconsistencies of the bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25602489


When we allow our children out of our house and out into the world, we are willfully putting them in the way of danger, no? The world is a scary place, but we still allow them to walk straight into it.

Sending our children to school is sending them into the hands of possible bullies, no? But, yet we still send them to school. Does this mean that I don't love my children?
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- It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.

- The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.

- Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.

- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

- It is a contradiction in terms and ideas to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication. After this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner, for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.

- I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church

- It is only by the exercise of reason that man can discover God


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Forget religion it's garbage. The scriptures are giving you an insight for a person to have a relationship with God not religion. It's spirituality. It's a supernatural experience. If you want to have a relationship with the Creator then you have to go to the bridge. That's Jesus Christ because he died that you may have a relationship with the creator. Not religious garbage but the real deal. I have experienced his presence and power and majesty. This not something that is just words. It's real tangible not just simple words that are on a book. These are supernatural, Spiritual experiences that reveals that the scripture were written by Men of God. Yes these writings have been used for evil purposes by men. But the message is for one to have a relationship with the Creator.
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I agree, christ was a beautiful being but has been used for control throughout the century.

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