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Dear Christians I have question.

 
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Thomas Paine (1737 - 1809)

- It is from the Bible that man has learned cruelty, rapine, and murder; for the belief of a cruel God makes a cruel man.

- The christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.

- Each of those churches show certain books, which they call revelation, or the word of God. The Jews say, that their word of God was given by God to Moses, face to face; the Christians say, that their word of God came by divine inspiration: and the Turks say, that their word of God (the Koran) was brought by an angel from Heaven. Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all.

- All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian, or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

- It is a contradiction in terms and ideas to call anything a revelation that comes to us at second hand, either verbally or in writing. Revelation is necessarily limited to the first communication. After this, it is only an account of something which that person says was a revelation made to him; and though he may find himself obliged to believe it, it cannot be incumbent on me to believe it in the same manner, for it was not a revelation made to me, and I have only his word for it that it was made to him.

- I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church

- It is only by the exercise of reason that man can discover God


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I have had conversations with you before. Your a very intelligent being and i wish you luck over the next few months!

Much love my friend.
In Lak`ech!
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12/03/2012 03:57 PM
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And the 'rape' part???
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Oh my god, do you christias take every word you read lterally? Jesus christ! you guys are hillarious!
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Oh, so you were embellishing in order to paint a worse picture of God? There is no 'rape' in the scenario? These were your own words and you were lying?

Gotcha!
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Hahaha oh yeah? did you get me?

Okay forget the rape part, even thoug i have heard many christians state that this does occur in hell.

Now what do you have to say about my previous statement?
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Please, tell me to which you refer and I will reply.
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"Explain something to me. You're comparing God's love to parents who love their children. Would you put something that would ruin your children in their midst? Then if God loves us as claimed, why did he do this?
Who was the fruit of that silly tree intended for in the first place? And if not for Adam and Eve to eat from, why was it even in the Garden in the first place? God, being omniscient, would have known they'd eat from it before he even created them. Otherwise, he's not omniscient.
This whole Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is just one of MANY failing situations about the validity of the bible to this former Christian...who opened his eyes and sought truth and saw the"
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1. To test them

2. God has a love for His creation in it's entirety......in it's fullness.......as a whole single unit. However, individuals in rebellion against him......are His enemies.....and He hates them......and is angry with them every day (Psalms 5, 7, 11)

3. God hid it from Himself.....whether they would eat the fruit.....or not.


4. You are not a child of God until you are born again of the Spirit.
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"If your children disobey you do you send them into the basement to be raped and tortured for eternity? Because thats what your god does..."

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Simple answer......you currently are not His child......nor any other in rebellion against Him.
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I am a Christian

Forget religion it's garbage. The scriptures are giving you an insight for a person to have a relationship with God not religion. It's spirituality. It's a supernatural experience. If you want to have a relationship with the Creator then you have to go to the bridge. That's Jesus Christ because he died that you may have a relationship with the creator. Not religious garbage but the real deal. I have experienced his presence and power and majesty. This not something that is just words. It's real tangible not just simple words that are on a book. These are supernatural, Spiritual experiences that reveals that the scripture were written by Men of God. Yes these writings have been used for evil purposes by men. But the message is for one to have a relationship with the Creator
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"Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?"


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Children?


You are not a child of God until you are born again by the Holy Spirit......indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.



When a person gives their life to Christ......and follow Him........they immediately pass from being an enemy of God.......to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.
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Okay... Why would any god allow his creations to be tortured for eternity if he loves them?

So the creator of everything has enemies? and i am one of his enemies because i refuse to subscribe to a religion that has been manipulated for political gain and control over the sheeple? hahaha Your god is an evil god.
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Simple......He does not love them......that is, individuals who are in rebellion against Him.

That is a false message......given over the past 100 years......that God loves everyone.


He has a love for His creation in it's entirety......as a large, single unit (John 3:16)


However..........He deals with individuals on a 1:1 basis. Either you are a child of God......or an enemy of God.


"You HATE all workers of iniquity." (Psalm 5: 5)

"The Lord ABHORS the bloodthirsty and deceiful man." (Psalm 5: 6)

"God is ANGRY with the wicked every day." (Ps 7: 11)

"Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY OF GOD." (James 4:4)
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"Why would any father let his children be tortured for eternity?"


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Children?


You are not a child of God until you are born again by the Holy Spirit......indwelt by the Holy Spirit......and re-connected with God.



When a person gives their life to Christ......and follow Him........they immediately pass from being an enemy of God.......to being a child of God......and co-heir with Christ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29004976


Okay... Why would any god allow his creations to be tortured for eternity if he loves them?

So the creator of everything has enemies? and i am one of his enemies because i refuse to subscribe to a religion that has been manipulated for political gain and control over the sheeple? hahaha Your god is an evil god.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28951381



Simple......He does not love them......that is, individuals who are in rebellion against Him.

That is a false message......given over the past 100 years......that God loves everyone.


He has a love for His creation in it's entirety......as a large, single unit (John 3:16)


However..........He deals with individuals on a 1:1 basis. Either you are a child of God......or an enemy of God.


"You HATE all workers of iniquity." (Psalm 5: 5)

"The Lord ABHORS the bloodthirsty and deceiful man." (Psalm 5: 6)

"God is ANGRY with the wicked every day." (Ps 7: 11)

"Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an ENEMY OF GOD." (James 4:4)
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Just to add from the "How do you know God hates you?"

Proverbs 6:16-19

16 There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood,
18 a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil,
19 a false witness who pours out lies
and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers.