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| LastChance User ID: 18131262 12/04/2012 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are no pefect squares or circles in nature. If you look at nature you can't find any order or perfection in it. As Alan Watts said,"It's a wiggly world!" The wind blows and the leaves fly and the grass grows where it will with the weeds. Maybe they just want to change things by squaring the circle. Perhaps, they want to bring order to chaos or maybe because, being Masons, you can't build much with circles. You use square or rectangular bricks. There is a saying called the "Circle of Life". Maybe they want to bend the circle to their will. Quoting: Scrubmouse There are a lot of spheres in nature. Not perfect spheres but damn close. |
| Mastema User ID: 28576874 12/04/2012 07:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This relates to pi and how you can put a multi sided polygon on the outside and on the inside of a circle and add more and more sides to get more decimal places out of pi. So you start with a square and as you add more sides you in theory eventually get to a circle, or at least a visual circle that could in theory be a million sided polygon. Since pi is irrational you will never obtain a perfect circle, just an approximation of a circle. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23731787 You will never obtain a perfect circle until you are no longer dealing with polygons and it morphs into a circle and can therefore not be a squaring anymore because you've lost the square at that point and are left with the circle and at best maybe we can only make these theoretical circles that can never simply measure up in any way to the greater totality of reality. Not only the square, but absolutely no form of subjectivity can be attributed to that level of existence, it is beyond the core of being, it includes the highest level of being around it and even the periphery that we are apart of, it is abstract, it is totality. if we can measure the shape and curvature of the true periphery to some degree, with our future understanding of where most of the energy in the universe is and how the rest, the minority that we are a part of, reacts to it then maybe we can see the "shape" of the highest order of being and that it is pi-like but at the same time we can't conclude that the central energetic component is itself that particular being. At that point we are not dealing necessarily with being or non-being but must return to something more like mind over matter and differentiate from something that ultimately shapes everything else; all is just an aspect of it and where everything forms an objective whole like in pi it can't be experienced subjectively. I'm trying to remember something Derrida said about how if there was a God who could experience everything at once, it would be impossible for that God to experience anything at all because nothing could "happen" externally to it. “If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi |
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| Mastema User ID: 28576874 12/04/2012 07:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan, with all of the most sacred and good powers there are that we possess, was said to be an evil entity and so they tried to make us look away from our sacred aspects as if they were evil. It is like I said on the page before. Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan. One just has to realize that if you consider much of what is said about Satan to be false accusation, you will begin to see the bigger picture. Most godlike products are right there where they try to scare you from looking. Freemasonry might just be an easy way of letting the air out of the balloon of stupidity created for humanity by its masters so that it doesn't burst. Which is why almost all masons and other members of secret fraternities and groups of that kind are certainly just pawns in the game of domination. They give up their true selves to the causes of those who shall not be named. I refuse to play a part in it. It's the concept of Satan that contains the keys to the true "Saving Grace", you just haven't figured it out yet because of all of the obfuscation and false binary oppositions and systems of authority and such. They have made us all afraid of the Teacher. Hopefully someone has been following my posts in this thread (2 here and 2 on the previous page) and can combine what I'm saying here with what I've already said and gain some sense of understanding of the differences between the lies that exist and the potentials that exist out there. Last Edited by Mastema on 12/04/2012 07:34 PM “If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi |
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| Mastema User ID: 28576874 12/04/2012 07:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan. Quoting: Mastema ![]() or not Sorrrry, OP, I was just trying to help you... “If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1065356 12/04/2012 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan. Quoting: Mastema ![]() or not Sorrrry, OP, I was just trying to help you... don't be sorry for your believes er obsessions it's just that, you know, the satan this and the satan that I understand you like the guy but it ain't all just about your satan , you know... |
| Blitz the storm-striker User ID: 29072184 12/04/2012 08:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the square is order and the Circle is chaos! To square the circle is to create! To give a structure to things that have none! Order out of chaos. Last Edited by Blitz the storm-striker on 12/04/2012 08:18 PM i'm monsterrun. (youtube) Not a conqueror, but a defender of justice, Blitz accept any into his protectorate who can feed his growing community and raise a city around them. But if anyone attack him or those under his protection, Blitz will unleash the full strength of his electrical wrath, earning the title that has survived a thousand years: the Storm-Striker. |
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| Blitz the storm-striker User ID: 29072184 12/04/2012 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Lord! Quoting: We Who Watch When you square the circle, you have a sphere. Also pi is a finite number, the measure of which can define who has better technology. (GOD has the best technology.) ![]() i'm monsterrun. (youtube) Not a conqueror, but a defender of justice, Blitz accept any into his protectorate who can feed his growing community and raise a city around them. But if anyone attack him or those under his protection, Blitz will unleash the full strength of his electrical wrath, earning the title that has survived a thousand years: the Storm-Striker. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28219364 12/04/2012 08:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For me, I see the idea of a square having corners and sides which a circle does not,and a circle having curves which a square cannot, so one cannot be without the other and this sybolises is a sense of dualism. Also sensing something about the line and the curve being the basic forms for all things in life whether mand made or natural In the grand scheme of things, it is probably also mathematically related but only Masons have the answer you seek... |
| Blitz the storm-striker User ID: 29072184 12/04/2012 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For me, I see the idea of a square having corners and sides which a circle does not,and a circle having curves which a square cannot, so one cannot be without the other and this sybolises is a sense of dualism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28219364 Also sensing something about the line and the curve being the basic forms for all things in life whether mand made or natural In the grand scheme of things, it is probably also mathematically related but only Masons have the answer you seek... the square is the Cube! the circle is the sphere. Cube = Material reality. (mass) Sphere = Thought reality. (energy) To see the cube you have to draw a cube as hexagon! look at the link. You'll see! [link to i1188.photobucket.com] off course you can makeyou can flip the square 45 degrees and constantly draw a circle then a sqaure then a circle. and on and on. i'm monsterrun. (youtube) Not a conqueror, but a defender of justice, Blitz accept any into his protectorate who can feed his growing community and raise a city around them. But if anyone attack him or those under his protection, Blitz will unleash the full strength of his electrical wrath, earning the title that has survived a thousand years: the Storm-Striker. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17398523 12/04/2012 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The square is 'Female', it draws a square. Quoting: Uncle Mikey The compass is 'Male', it draws a circle. So 'Squaring the Circle' = Union of Square and Compass. ![]() You see the compass is drawing a circle before your very eyes! Your onto something. @OP - May want to look into the Alchemical Meaning behind the term. [link to alchemicalpsychology.com] [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to chemistry.about.com] [link to solarlunar.com] The Vitruvian Man [link to thealchemicalegg.com] |
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| We Who Watch User ID: 28681574 12/04/2012 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Lord! Quoting: We Who Watch When you square the circle, you have a sphere. Also pi is a finite number, the measure of which can define who has better technology. (GOD has the best technology.) ![]() You think that. Most people would. But, then the most knowledge is just for the few who can understand it, and what it means, and how to use it to lift those who do not yet understand. ![]() 7 Billion people on the planet! That's a BIG number! And I am one. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28847327 12/04/2012 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Squaring the circle is a metaphor for the union between body and soul... [link to www.richardcassaro.com] explains it really well Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28847327 ![]() ^this^ Just looked at that website. You're right, well explained on there. Good post. Why thank you! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28270021 12/04/2012 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does any of this have to do with tetrahedral geometry (as in 64 tetrahedrons inside a sphere, see flower of life and tree of life) and the infolding and outfolding of space, like Nassim Haramein lectures about? Maybe the Mayan Aintiram (64 squares in this case being fundamental)? Crossing the Event Horizon -- DVD 3 extra: Aintiram |
| Him Again User ID: 29087024 12/04/2012 09:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Squaring the circle is not only reasonable and possible but it has actually already been done at least as far as math or geometry is concerned Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28960067 Whether that theoretical knowledge has been translated to practice yet remains to be seen. Do post a link to the solution of which you speak. The problem is a koan. It is to make you contemplate the infinite. |
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| Him Again User ID: 29087024 12/04/2012 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356 first of all it's not really about squaring to circle it only looks like that on paper it's about cubing the sphere, of course Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more. Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are: e, i, phi, pi and zero. This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it. Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity. |
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| Itchy Who? User ID: 29073978 12/04/2012 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't thinkg about it, just do it, no matter if it's a curve or an edge, fuck that; just go thru it and handle it like the master itself. Reverend Lovejoy: Y'ever sat down and read this thing? Technically we're not supposed to go to the bathroom. "I am Jack's medulla oblongata, without me Jack could not regulate his heart rate, blood pressure or breathing!" "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you cry alone” "The flutes of the chi will sound again, my friend." [link to upload.wikimedia.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28270021 12/04/2012 09:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356 first of all it's not really about squaring to circle it only looks like that on paper it's about cubing the sphere, of course Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more. Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are: e, i, phi, pi and zero. This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it. Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity. I was just contemplating zero as the opposite of infinity the other day. But then wouldn't we need a negative and positive zero like we have infinitely small and infinitely large? Because everything has "spin"? |
| tarfonwxx User ID: 959411 12/04/2012 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356 first of all it's not really about squaring to circle it only looks like that on paper it's about cubing the sphere, of course Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more. Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are: e, i, phi, pi and zero. This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it. Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity. interesting. i suspect this has to do then with the great pyramid and the ancient sites on the (sphere) of earth as well. if you had to go to infinity to solve it, could you also go to zero to solve it, and is that the same thing? |