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why to square the cirlce ?

 
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
There are no pefect squares or circles in nature. If you look at nature you can't find any order or perfection in it. As Alan Watts said,"It's a wiggly world!" The wind blows and the leaves fly and the grass grows where it will with the weeds. Maybe they just want to change things by squaring the circle. Perhaps, they want to bring order to chaos or maybe because, being Masons, you can't build much with circles. You use square or rectangular bricks. There is a saying called the "Circle of Life". Maybe they want to bend the circle to their will.
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There are a lot of spheres in nature. Not perfect spheres but damn close.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
This relates to pi and how you can put a multi sided polygon on the outside and on the inside of a circle and add more and more sides to get more decimal places out of pi. So you start with a square and as you add more sides you in theory eventually get to a circle, or at least a visual circle that could in theory be a million sided polygon. Since pi is irrational you will never obtain a perfect circle, just an approximation of a circle.
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You will never obtain a perfect circle until you are no longer dealing with polygons and it morphs into a circle and can therefore not be a squaring anymore because you've lost the square at that point and are left with the circle and at best maybe we can only make these theoretical circles that can never simply measure up in any way to the greater totality of reality.

Not only the square, but absolutely no form of subjectivity can be attributed to that level of existence, it is beyond the core of being, it includes the highest level of being around it and even the periphery that we are apart of, it is abstract, it is totality.

if we can measure the shape and curvature of the true periphery to some degree, with our future understanding of where most of the energy in the universe is and how the rest, the minority that we are a part of, reacts to it then maybe we can see the "shape" of the highest order of being and that it is pi-like but at the same time we can't conclude that the central energetic component is itself that particular being.

At that point we are not dealing necessarily with being or non-being but must return to something more like mind over matter and differentiate from something that ultimately shapes everything else; all is just an aspect of it and where everything forms an objective whole like in pi it can't be experienced subjectively.

I'm trying to remember something Derrida said about how if there was a God who could experience everything at once, it would be impossible for that God to experience anything at all because nothing could "happen" externally to it.
“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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Satan, with all of the most sacred and good powers there are that we possess, was said to be an evil entity and so they tried to make us look away from our sacred aspects as if they were evil.

It is like I said on the page before.

Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan.

One just has to realize that if you consider much of what is said about Satan to be false accusation, you will begin to see the bigger picture.

Most godlike products are right there where they try to scare you from looking.

Freemasonry might just be an easy way of letting the air out of the balloon of stupidity created for humanity by its masters so that it doesn't burst.

Which is why almost all masons and other members of secret fraternities and groups of that kind are certainly just pawns in the game of domination.

They give up their true selves to the causes of those who shall not be named.

I refuse to play a part in it.

It's the concept of Satan that contains the keys to the true "Saving Grace", you just haven't figured it out yet because of all of the obfuscation and false binary oppositions and systems of authority and such.

They have made us all afraid of the Teacher.

Hopefully someone has been following my posts in this thread (2 here and 2 on the previous page) and can combine what I'm saying here with what I've already said and gain some sense of understanding of the differences between the lies that exist and the potentials that exist out there.

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“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan.
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Hopefully someone has been following my posts in this thread (
 Quoting: Mastema

or not
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Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan.
 Quoting: Mastema

bsflag
Hopefully someone has been following my posts in this thread (
 Quoting: Mastema

or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356


Sorrrry, OP, I was just trying to help you...

tomato
“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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Anytime something very good comes up that might point us in the right direction, it is attributed to Satan.
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bsflag
Hopefully someone has been following my posts in this thread (
 Quoting: Mastema

or not
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356


Sorrrry, OP, I was just trying to help you...

tomato
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don't be sorry for your believes er obsessions
it's just that, you know, the satan this and the satan that

I understand you like the guy but it ain't all just about your satan , you know... hf
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
why do masons want to do that ?
what is the purpose ?

Idol1
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the square is order and the Circle is chaos!

To square the circle is to create! To give a structure to things that have none! Order out of chaos.

Last Edited by Blitz the storm-striker on 12/04/2012 08:18 PM
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Good Lord!

When you square the circle, you have a sphere.

Also pi is a finite number, the measure of which can define who has better technology. (GOD has the best technology.)
7 Billion people on the planet!
That's a BIG number!
And I am one.
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Good Lord!

When you square the circle, you have a sphere.

Also pi is a finite number, the measure of which can define who has better technology. (GOD has the best technology.)
 Quoting: We Who Watch


facepalm
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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For me, I see the idea of a square having corners and sides which a circle does not,and a circle having curves which a square cannot, so one cannot be without the other and this sybolises is a sense of dualism.

Also sensing something about the line and the curve being the basic forms for all things in life whether mand made or natural

In the grand scheme of things, it is probably also mathematically related but only Masons have the answer you seek...
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For me, I see the idea of a square having corners and sides which a circle does not,and a circle having curves which a square cannot, so one cannot be without the other and this sybolises is a sense of dualism.

Also sensing something about the line and the curve being the basic forms for all things in life whether mand made or natural

In the grand scheme of things, it is probably also mathematically related but only Masons have the answer you seek...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28219364


the square is the Cube! the circle is the sphere.

Cube = Material reality. (mass)
Sphere = Thought reality. (energy)

To see the cube you have to draw a cube as hexagon!

look at the link. You'll see!

[link to i1188.photobucket.com]

off course you can makeyou can flip the square 45 degrees and constantly draw a circle then a sqaure then a circle. and on and on.
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
The square is 'Female', it draws a square.

The compass is 'Male', it draws a circle.

So 'Squaring the Circle' = Union of Square and Compass.

Idol1

You see the compass is drawing a circle before your very eyes!
 Quoting: Uncle Mikey


Your onto something.

@OP - May want to look into the Alchemical Meaning behind the term.

[link to alchemicalpsychology.com]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to chemistry.about.com]

[link to solarlunar.com]

The Vitruvian Man
[link to thealchemicalegg.com]
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
The expression "squaring the circle" is sometimes used as a metaphor for trying to do the impossible
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Hebrews 11:1

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, built the Ark.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
why do masons want to do that ?
what is the purpose ?

Idol1
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the square is order and the Circle is chaos!

To square the circle is to create! To give a structure to things that have none! Order out of chaos.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


We are to build vessels of rectification for the lights of chaos
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
why do masons want to do that ?
what is the purpose ?

Idol1
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trying to make something which appears unreasonable to have reason, therefore missing absolutely everything the circle has to offer.

wake up, blockheads :)
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women are allowed to work in your country??
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
Good Lord!

When you square the circle, you have a sphere.

Also pi is a finite number, the measure of which can define who has better technology. (GOD has the best technology.)
 Quoting: We Who Watch


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 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker

You think that. Most people would. But, then the most knowledge is just for the few who can understand it, and what it means, and how to use it to lift those who do not yet understand.

putin
7 Billion people on the planet!
That's a BIG number!
And I am one.
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Squaring the circle is a metaphor for the union between body and soul... [link to www.richardcassaro.com] explains it really well float
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^this^

Just looked at that website. You're right, well explained on there. Good post.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster


Why thank you! hf Shame no one else seems to want to click the link to read it, as it is the best explanation I've encountered.sigh
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
Does any of this have to do with tetrahedral geometry (as in 64 tetrahedrons inside a sphere, see flower of life and tree of life) and the infolding and outfolding of space, like Nassim Haramein lectures about?

Maybe the Mayan Aintiram (64 squares in this case being fundamental)?


Crossing the Event Horizon -- DVD 3 extra: Aintiram
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Squaring the circle is not only reasonable and possible but it has actually already been done at least as far as math or geometry is concerned

Whether that theoretical knowledge has been translated to practice yet remains to be seen.
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Do post a link to the solution of which you speak.

The problem is a koan. It is to make you contemplate the infinite.
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Manipulation of something that was once whole and perfect. As we were in the garden....
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
Straight lines are for construct. To chisel out your own reality....when truly the circle needed no changing or additional construct.
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Architect of a plan....working with a clean canvas.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
The demonic parasites have their control grid set up this way. Its right in your face.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle)

first of all it's not really about squaring to circle
it only looks like that on paper

it's about cubing the sphere, of course

hf
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Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more.

Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are:

e, i, phi, pi and zero.

This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it.

Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity.
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Who says "Blockhead" anymore. It sounds like Jughead and Moose are going to the Malt Shop.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
Q: Why to Square the Circle?

A: So that the Squared Circle would come to be.
The Squared Circle is the *best*. Watch the
video - I saw this live and in person!

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Don't thinkg about it, just do it, no matter if it's a curve or an edge, fuck that; just go thru it and handle it like the master itself.
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle)

first of all it's not really about squaring to circle
it only looks like that on paper

it's about cubing the sphere, of course

hf
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Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more.

Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are:

e, i, phi, pi and zero.

This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it.

Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity.
 Quoting: Him Again 29087024


I was just contemplating zero as the opposite of infinity the other day. But then wouldn't we need a negative and positive zero like we have infinitely small and infinitely large? Because everything has "spin"?
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Re: why to square the cirlce ?
than I'd tell you how to do this (square the circle)

first of all it's not really about squaring to circle
it only looks like that on paper

it's about cubing the sphere, of course

hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1065356


Yes, you are on the right track. I asked some very wise entities about this problem and first they laughed at me. Then they said that it can be done, but first I'd have to learn to cube the sphere. The problem just went from 2D to 3D. Then they said that in order to do that (cube a sphere) I'd have to move it up another dimension, to 4D. But, in order to solve that I'd have to go to another dimension higher, to 5D, and so on to infinity. They said that once I solved it for infinity then all I'd have to do is unfold it back down the other side to the square. Simple. Then they laughed some more.

Then it got really heavy. They asked me if I'd met the "5 ancient numbers". I said no, who are they and they said that the answer to the problem is within the 5 ancient numbers and those are:

e, i, phi, pi and zero.

This is very important and if others here wold like to weigh in on the 5 ancient numbers, I'd like to hear about it.

Is infinity equal to infinity? Zero is the opposite of infinity.
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interesting. i suspect this has to do then with the great pyramid and the ancient sites on the (sphere) of earth as well.

if you had to go to infinity to solve it, could you also go to zero to solve it, and is that the same thing?

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