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A Tribute to Communism

 
Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
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Communism: The faux philosophy which denies the truisms of private property, individual motivation, and individual sovereignty in favor of the falsehoods of collectivism, egalitarianism, and statism.

Communism achieves power in a traditional bait-and-switch fraudulent sales scheme where it presents itself as an unrealizable ideal of common, distributed authority, but supplies instead an all-powerful oligarchy in charge of all production and consumption, where patrons and supporters of the oligarchy share in the limited stolen wealth of the enslaved state until economic thermodynamics dictate the collapse of the unsupportable facade of the Communist state.

During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty, and universally executes a pseudo-random sub-set of its population, chosen by emotional lottery held the "salesmen" and determined by whoever they felt personally slighted by in their youth. This serves to both install terror in the remaining members of the populace, and to reduce the manpower available to resist the obvious fraud of the bait-and-switch sales effort and the fraudsters who perpetrated it.

A somewhat longer definition than you deserve, but for the sake of readers, supplied.

hf
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12/03/2012 11:16 PM
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Communism equals no ambition.
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I was stationed on the border and my comrades and I had an agreement that if on patrol a person wad attempting to escape communism we would assist them by any and all means even if it meant violating our orders.
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How many people did you help escape?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Unfortunately none. The escapee would have to get thru the primary fence, then cross a minefield of about 1K distance, then cross a patrol road visible to guard towers and then climb a fence to our side. The plan was that if somebody made it that far and the GAKs were after them we'd open up with the M-60 and whatever else we had.
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So...nobody ever managed to escape?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699



There was a cross erected on our side for a man and his son who didn't make it. It was next to impossible what with modern technology and all. I went across and saw it all, met people and all that. It was like something out of a post-apocalyptic horror show. I'll never forget.
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I guess you all like to be slaves to privately owned rich corporations, and be whipped and bossed around by corporate ass kissing managers, bosses, and supervisors.

None of you even know what communism is about. All you people know is what CNN has lied to you about, and the previous propaganda banker owned media of the old days that helped invade, and kill innocent civilian lives through out the world by NATO Nazi's.

You people will always be slaves unless you take your heads out of your asses and give the land and all countries back to the people. It shows with great stupidity how you morons think Obama is a Communist. He is not a Communist. He is not even remotely close. He is a stupid democrat which is no different from a retarded republican slave. You people think the demoCRAPS are 'Left, and the republiTARDS are 'right'. Thats only because you dumbasses are completely oblivious to the fact that you are only given a choice every four years to elect one shithead from the two exact same parties. Election after election. Meanwhile they are owned by the rich bankers. The demoCRAPS do the EXACT same things politically as the republiTARDS when it comes to acts towards a communistic nation. They both demonize it because the bankers want it. You people need to educate yourselves before its too late and you end up dying for the bankers in another bullshit war, (possibly a third world war) only to progress the riches agenda.
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Oh yes, Cuba is a shining example of your dreams.
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Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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After all, since communism was invented by Karl Marx, it is only appropriate to use the inventor of communism's definition of commuism.
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Charles Manson invented the "Manson Family" definition.

Do you subscribe to his definition?
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Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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12/03/2012 11:21 PM
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Communism equals no ambition.
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Except for the tyrants at the top. They have the ambition to rule and murder their fellow men.
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What's the real-life history of communism?
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Definitions aren't determined by history, they are determined by their use in language.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Oh, this will be fun. You really want to challenge me to a duel on linguistics, history, and philosophy?
1rof1

Definitions are only valid if they reflect reality. Defining a thing using language which does not accurately reflect its actual attributes results in an invalid definition.

Please, feel free to submit your invalid definition, and I'll fix the bitch for you, gratis.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


This definition historically fits only hunter-gatherer band society.
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As someone who was born in the former gdr (east germany) I feel ashamed for anyone who still falls for this fraud.
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God bless you.

clappa
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


make no mistake about it: mainstream christianity, especially evangelicalism is the same shit but has a different label on it.

i'm not an atheist, btw. imho the real God is very real, although we don't know his/her/its name.
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12/03/2012 11:23 PM
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YOu people are ALL traitors to your fellow human being. You are blindly supporting the richest people in the world by buying into this horse shit. One day, the 'meek' SHALL RULE THE EARTH. Go lick the bankers balls since you all are so good at it.
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Move out of Canada then you faggot put your money where your mouth is and go live in a communist country.
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How many people did you help escape?
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Unfortunately none. The escapee would have to get thru the primary fence, then cross a minefield of about 1K distance, then cross a patrol road visible to guard towers and then climb a fence to our side. The plan was that if somebody made it that far and the GAKs were after them we'd open up with the M-60 and whatever else we had.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1582303


So...nobody ever managed to escape?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699



There was a cross erected on our side for a man and his son who didn't make it. It was next to impossible what with modern technology and all. I went across and saw it all, met people and all that. It was like something out of a post-apocalyptic horror show. I'll never forget.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1582303


Again:

clappa
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12/03/2012 11:23 PM
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I'm sorry for ranting.

sorry rant hiding
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12/03/2012 11:26 PM
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Too bad Hitler didn't win
Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery" -Winston Churchill.
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12/03/2012 11:28 PM
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As someone who was born in the former gdr (east germany) I feel ashamed for anyone who still falls for this fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28977093


God bless you.

clappa
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


make no mistake about it: mainstream christianity, especially evangelicalism is the same shit but has a different label on it.

i'm not an atheist, btw. imho the real God is very real, although we don't know his/her/its name.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28977093


I remember reading about the Christains taking over goverenments killing the oppositions in the millions and starting the secret police. You are dumbest mother fucker on the face of the planet!!!!!!!!!!
Carshy McCarsh (OP)

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Too bad Hitler didn't win
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Yeah, he would have exterminated your down-low fag dad's people eventually.
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As someone who was born in the former gdr (east germany) I feel ashamed for anyone who still falls for this fraud.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28977093


God bless you.

clappa
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


make no mistake about it: mainstream christianity, especially evangelicalism is the same shit but has a different label on it.

i'm not an atheist, btw. imho the real God is very real, although we don't know his/her/its name.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28977093


I remember reading about the Christains taking over goverenments killing the oppositions in the millions and starting the secret police. You are dumbest mother fucker on the face of the planet!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28998454


Yeah, his crazy finale ruined the entire first 3 acts.
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My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Communism: The faux philosophy which denies the truisms of private property, individual motivation, and individual sovereignty in favor of the falsehoods of collectivism, egalitarianism, and statism.

Communism achieves power in a traditional bait-and-switch fraudulent sales scheme where it presents itself as an unrealizable ideal of common, distributed authority, but supplies instead an all-powerful oligarchy in charge of all production and consumption, where patrons and supporters of the oligarchy share in the limited stolen wealth of the enslaved state until economic thermodynamics dictate the collapse of the unsupportable facade of the Communist state.

During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty, and universally executes a pseudo-random sub-set of its population, chosen by emotional lottery held the "salesmen" and determined by whoever they felt personally slighted by in their youth. This serves to both install terror in the remaining members of the populace, and to reduce the manpower available to resist the obvious fraud of the bait-and-switch sales effort and the fraudsters who perpetrated it.

A somewhat longer definition than you deserve, but for the sake of readers, supplied.

hf
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Communists do abolish private property absolutely yes, but they don't abolish personal property. Here's the difference between private property and personal property. Personal property is your wife, your kids, your house, your car, your clothes, your things. Private property is the mode of production. Modes of production are land, labor, capital, and enterpreuership. Land can be both personal and private property, but land ownership that communists want to abolish are typically the land used for production, such as land that is used for drilling, mining, farming etc. Once private property is abolished it becomes socially owned.

This does not abolish individual motivation because communists still rewards you with personal property items such as homes, cars, clothes etc..

oligarchy: A small group of people who control a country, organization, or institution. Hey that sounds like capitalism!

"During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty."

I'm glad you brought up that point. Communists experience counter-revolutionaries, those are the people who indeed are executed in their terror regimes. Your assumption that communists kill INNOCENTS is flawed.

Here's another tidbit for the general public, capitalists DO get involved in communists revolutions and kill the communists as well. Neither side is innocent of killing. neither side is killing innocents, but communists revolutionaries ARE wars, and indeed war causes food disruptions and killings, but that isn't the goal of communism as a system, that is the side effect of the fact that they are in WAR.
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I guess you all like to be slaves to privately owned rich corporations, and be whipped and bossed around by corporate ass kissing managers, bosses, and supervisors.

None of you even know what communism is about. All you people know is what CNN has lied to you about, and the previous propaganda banker owned media of the old days that helped invade, and kill innocent civilian lives through out the world by NATO Nazi's.

You people will always be slaves unless you take your heads out of your asses and give the land and all countries back to the people. It shows with great stupidity how you morons think Obama is a Communist. He is not a Communist. He is not even remotely close. He is a stupid democrat which is no different from a retarded republican slave. You people think the demoCRAPS are 'Left, and the republiTARDS are 'right'. Thats only because you dumbasses are completely oblivious to the fact that you are only given a choice every four years to elect one shithead from the two exact same parties. Election after election. Meanwhile they are owned by the rich bankers. The demoCRAPS do the EXACT same things politically as the republiTARDS when it comes to acts towards a communistic nation. They both demonize it because the bankers want it. You people need to educate yourselves before its too late and you end up dying for the bankers in another bullshit war, (possibly a third world war) only to progress the riches agenda.
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Oh yes, Cuba is a shining example of your dreams.
 Quoting: Desert Fox


communism: A moneyless, stateless, and classless society, where private property is abolished. is Cuba moneyless? Is Cuba stateless? Is Cuba classless? Have they abolished private property then spread the ownership for all the workers in Cuba?
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My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Communism: The faux philosophy which denies the truisms of private property, individual motivation, and individual sovereignty in favor of the falsehoods of collectivism, egalitarianism, and statism.

Communism achieves power in a traditional bait-and-switch fraudulent sales scheme where it presents itself as an unrealizable ideal of common, distributed authority, but supplies instead an all-powerful oligarchy in charge of all production and consumption, where patrons and supporters of the oligarchy share in the limited stolen wealth of the enslaved state until economic thermodynamics dictate the collapse of the unsupportable facade of the Communist state.

During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty, and universally executes a pseudo-random sub-set of its population, chosen by emotional lottery held the "salesmen" and determined by whoever they felt personally slighted by in their youth. This serves to both install terror in the remaining members of the populace, and to reduce the manpower available to resist the obvious fraud of the bait-and-switch sales effort and the fraudsters who perpetrated it.

A somewhat longer definition than you deserve, but for the sake of readers, supplied.

hf
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Communists do abolish private property absolutely yes, but they don't abolish personal property. Here's the difference between private property and personal property. Personal property is your wife, your kids, your house, your car, your clothes, your things. Private property is the mode of production. Modes of production are land, labor, capital, and enterpreuership. Land can be both personal and private property, but land ownership that communists want to abolish are typically the land used for production, such as land that is used for drilling, mining, farming etc. Once private property is abolished it becomes socially owned.

This does not abolish individual motivation because communists still rewards you with personal property items such as homes, cars, clothes etc..

oligarchy: A small group of people who control a country, organization, or institution. Hey that sounds like capitalism!

"During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty."

I'm glad you brought up that point. Communists experience counter-revolutionaries, those are the people who indeed are executed in their terror regimes. Your assumption that communists kill INNOCENTS is flawed.

Here's another tidbit for the general public, capitalists DO get involved in communists revolutions and kill the communists as well. Neither side is innocent of killing. neither side is killing innocents, but communists revolutionaries ARE wars, and indeed war causes food disruptions and killings, but that isn't the goal of communism as a system, that is the side effect of the fact that they are in WAR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Know this:
When the state protection mechanisms fail, and you are responsible for your own safety, and it's totally up to you to live long enough to progress the glorious workers' revolution of Communism, I won't be the only one hunting you parasites for sport.
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Definitions aren't determined by history, they are determined by their use in language.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Oh, this will be fun. You really want to challenge me to a duel on linguistics, history, and philosophy?
1rof1

Definitions are only valid if they reflect reality. Defining a thing using language which does not accurately reflect its actual attributes results in an invalid definition.

Please, feel free to submit your invalid definition, and I'll fix the bitch for you, gratis.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


This definition historically fits only hunter-gatherer band society.
 Quoting: EMPerror


Have you heard of the current communist armed movements in India? They successfully and fully implemented communism in their deeply held areas.
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The problem with communism is, for it to work everyone has to agree.
Everyone never agrees.
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As someone who was born in the former gdr (east germany) I feel ashamed for anyone who still falls for this fraud.
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hfI visited the check points in Berlin when it was still under communist control. Hell on one side, freedom on the other.
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My definition of communism is the definition that Karl Marx put forth. communism is the classless, stateless, and moneyless society by which private property is abolished. What's your definition?
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Communism: The faux philosophy which denies the truisms of private property, individual motivation, and individual sovereignty in favor of the falsehoods of collectivism, egalitarianism, and statism.

Communism achieves power in a traditional bait-and-switch fraudulent sales scheme where it presents itself as an unrealizable ideal of common, distributed authority, but supplies instead an all-powerful oligarchy in charge of all production and consumption, where patrons and supporters of the oligarchy share in the limited stolen wealth of the enslaved state until economic thermodynamics dictate the collapse of the unsupportable facade of the Communist state.

During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty, and universally executes a pseudo-random sub-set of its population, chosen by emotional lottery held the "salesmen" and determined by whoever they felt personally slighted by in their youth. This serves to both install terror in the remaining members of the populace, and to reduce the manpower available to resist the obvious fraud of the bait-and-switch sales effort and the fraudsters who perpetrated it.

A somewhat longer definition than you deserve, but for the sake of readers, supplied.

hf
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Communists do abolish private property absolutely yes, but they don't abolish personal property. Here's the difference between private property and personal property. Personal property is your wife, your kids, your house, your car, your clothes, your things. Private property is the mode of production. Modes of production are land, labor, capital, and enterpreuership. Land can be both personal and private property, but land ownership that communists want to abolish are typically the land used for production, such as land that is used for drilling, mining, farming etc. Once private property is abolished it becomes socially owned.

This does not abolish individual motivation because communists still rewards you with personal property items such as homes, cars, clothes etc..

oligarchy: A small group of people who control a country, organization, or institution. Hey that sounds like capitalism!

"During the time between the sales pitch and the collapse, Communism blames its failures on internal disloyalty."

I'm glad you brought up that point. Communists experience counter-revolutionaries, those are the people who indeed are executed in their terror regimes. Your assumption that communists kill INNOCENTS is flawed.

Here's another tidbit for the general public, capitalists DO get involved in communists revolutions and kill the communists as well. Neither side is innocent of killing. neither side is killing innocents, but communists revolutionaries ARE wars, and indeed war causes food disruptions and killings, but that isn't the goal of communism as a system, that is the side effect of the fact that they are in WAR.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


Know this:
When the state protection mechanisms fail, and you are responsible for your own safety, and it's totally up to you to live long enough to progress the glorious workers' revolution of Communism, I won't be the only one hunting you parasites for sport.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I won't be the only one killing people who are trying to kill us communists. It works both ways.
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God bless you.

clappa
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


make no mistake about it: mainstream christianity, especially evangelicalism is the same shit but has a different label on it.

i'm not an atheist, btw. imho the real God is very real, although we don't know his/her/its name.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28977093


I remember reading about the Christains taking over goverenments killing the oppositions in the millions and starting the secret police. You are dumbest mother fucker on the face of the planet!!!!!!!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28998454


Yeah, his crazy finale ruined the entire first 3 acts.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Yes I made a mistake.
Should have kept my mouth shut resp. not posted.
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Know this:
When the state protection mechanisms fail, and you are responsible for your own safety, and it's totally up to you to live long enough to progress the glorious workers' revolution of Communism, I won't be the only one hunting you parasites for sport.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I won't be the only one killing people who are trying to kill us communists. It works both ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


We don't try.
Sleep well.
hf
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The problem with communism is, for it to work everyone has to agree.
Everyone never agrees.
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"No man, no problem." Stalin
Those disagreements are settled by the barrel of the gun.

Just kidding.

Socialism is the phrase where capitalism is weeded out. Capitalists will also be weeded out and either assimilated into the socialist society or imprisoned. Only those who's disagreements lead them to be a threat to the society will be imprsioned, much like the prison system we have here in America.
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Know this:
When the state protection mechanisms fail, and you are responsible for your own safety, and it's totally up to you to live long enough to progress the glorious workers' revolution of Communism, I won't be the only one hunting you parasites for sport.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I won't be the only one killing people who are trying to kill us communists. It works both ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


We don't try.
Sleep well.
hf
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Why go back to the other extreme to fascism?

How about the golden middle.
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We do not mention the current global health issues:

GMO cancer
EMF cell phone/wifi cancer
Plastics/Sterilization
Vaccines
Depleted Uranium dust

etc etc etc

Seems to me that any of these would equal the red terror.
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Know this:
When the state protection mechanisms fail, and you are responsible for your own safety, and it's totally up to you to live long enough to progress the glorious workers' revolution of Communism, I won't be the only one hunting you parasites for sport.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


And I won't be the only one killing people who are trying to kill us communists. It works both ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17837699


We don't try.
Sleep well.
hf
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Find me.
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[link to www.amazon.com]

Rent it, watch the children leaving the factories....cry.

The science of......Economics.

Enjoy your stuff.
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Summarize less-poorly so as to motivate me to watch it.
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Watch it. You will thank me.

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