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Is the Fear of God, reverential or literal?

 
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Is the Fear of God, reverential or literal?
Read the context of the three verses, and the answer is clear. In addition, the fear of God, is practical, and has a purpose, which is revealed in the last scripture.

Exodus 20:18 When the people saw the thunder and lightning and heard the trumpet and saw the mountain in smoke, they trembled with fear. They stayed at a distance 19 and said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen. But do not have God speak to us or we will die.”

20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
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The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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In addition read the context of the verse here, where Jesus is speaking. This again, lets us know, if the fear of God, is reverential or literal.

Mathew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
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Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to outgrow the nonsense :)
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Is someone is in a state of reverence, they would be relaxed, and in a state similar to love.

If someone is in a state of literal an extreme fear, they would probably be nervous and shaking.

With that in mind, this scripture, further reveals if the fear should be reverential or literal.

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
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Understand Satan being His servant too and there is your answer:


26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”e 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10
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Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to outgrow the nonsense :)
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Yes, but when we read, the rest of the scriptures, instead of cherry picking, one can then deduce by reading the entire Bible, including the very words of Jesus, we shouldn't fear man, or other things in this world, but, there of course is an exception with the fear of God.
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Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to outgrow the nonsense :)
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No human is perfect. Grow up yourself.
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20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
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Doesn't this kind of answer the original question? Was Moses suggesting that they not be reverential, so that they would be afraid of God, or is it perhaps the other way around?
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20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
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Doesn't this kind of answer the original question? Was Moses suggesting that they not be reverential, so that they would be afraid of God, or is it perhaps the other way around?
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Fear of God means fear of being not with God. Since that is the worst state possible. And so they live in devotion to Him which will keep them from sinning. This kind of Fear is a kind you will only find in relation to the one you seek and is rather a blessing then a curse.
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Fear of God means fear of being not with God. Since that is the worst state possible.
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No such state exists
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20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
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Doesn't this kind of answer the original question? Was Moses suggesting that they not be reverential, so that they would be afraid of God, or is it perhaps the other way around?
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I'm not stating one shouldn't be reverential. We're also told to worship God. Worshiping God, already entails us being reverential to God.

Here's the definition of worship:

The feeling or expression of reverence and adoration for a deity.

Yes one should indeed be in reverence to God.

But again, when you read the entire context, including the very words of Jesus, to me, it's clear, even if the fear of God does include us being reverential, again, the context of the verses, is also suggesting a literal fear.
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20 Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. God has come to test you, so that the fear of God will be with you to keep you from sinning.”
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Doesn't this kind of answer the original question? Was Moses suggesting that they not be reverential, so that they would be afraid of God, or is it perhaps the other way around?
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Fear of God means fear of being not with God. Since that is the worst state possible. And so they live in devotion to Him which will keep them from sinning. This kind of Fear is a kind you will only find in relation to the one you seek and is rather a blessing then a curse.
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But aren't "the fearful" listed in Revelation along with the fornicators and sorcerers as heading for the lake of fire?

hmm
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But aren't "the fearful" listed in Revelation along with the fornicators and sorcerers as heading for the lake of fire?

hmm
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Yes, and once again.

Yes, but when we read, the rest of the scriptures, instead of cherry picking, one can then deduce by reading the entire Bible, including the very words of Jesus, we shouldn't fear man, or other things in this world, but, there of course is an exception with the fear of God.
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But aren't "the fearful" listed in Revelation along with the fornicators and sorcerers as heading for the lake of fire?

hmm
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But aren't "the fearful" listed in Revelation along with the fornicators and sorcerers as heading for the lake of fire?

hmm
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Yes, and once again.

Yes, but when we read, the rest of the scriptures, instead of cherry picking, one can then deduce by reading the entire Bible, including the very words of Jesus, we shouldn't fear man, or other things in this world, but, there of course is an exception with the fear of God.
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Here's three commentaries, that elaborate upon this.

But the fearful,.... Not the timorous sheep and lambs of Christ, the dear children of God, who are sometimes of a fearful heart, on account of sin, temptation, and unbelief; but such who are of cowardly spirits, and are not valiant for the truth, but who, through fear of men, either make no profession of Christ and his Gospel, or having made it, drop it, lest they should be exposed to tribulation and persecution; these are they that are afraid of the beast, and live in servile bondage to him.

Those who, for fear of losing life or their property, either refused to receive the Christian religion, though convinced of its truth and importance; or, having received it, in times of persecution fell away, not being willing to risk their lives.

But the fearful - Having stated, in general terms, who they were who would be admitted into that blessed world, he now states explicitly who would not. The "fearful" denote those who had not firmness boldly to maintain their professed principles, or who were afraid to avow themselves as the friends of God in a wicked world. They stand in contrast with those who "overcome"...


[link to bible.cc]
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"Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence AND godly fear. For our God is a consuming fire." (Heb. 12: 28-29)

Reverance......and Godly Fear.



There seems to be a distinction is Scripture between "Godly Fear"........and fear of normal everyday things in our world.



Christ:

"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. (Mt 10: 28)


Verse 30 then says to fear not......which to me is referring back to fear of things from other humans.


"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom."



Such passages as listed below should also give non-believers reason to fear.....literal fear:


Zechariah 14: 12

Revelation Chp 19

Revelation........all of the 7th Seal.
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psalms2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
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There is a distinction between us in the sense of being.

We are all common in being human beings.

But there is only One Lord who is God.

We can come near or around a human being we have never met before.

Yet there is that common familiarity of this unknown one is another human being just like us.

That is not there in human being draws nigh to Lord God.

We have a face for Him now that was given to us in and by the face of Christ Jesus and this indeed gave us a glimpse of the heart of that God the Lord God.

We got to see His heart what He thought and who he saw us and felt towards us.

With out The Lord Jesus Christ being given for us to have such as that.....there would only be fear and other things but mainly fear.

There would not be that common connection we have with Him today through His coming unto us in a form of humanity.

Manifested in the flesh of humanity man.

This is a great thing He done for us...because we see Him as we would see each other.
We see He has feeling He hurts and cries...He Loves and he joys.

So we consider Him like we would our own selves in this sense. We consider His feelings what bothers Him what hurts Him what makes Him happy.

Even with all of this He still can not draw nigh that there is not and undeniable difference between Him and us.

It just can not be denied because there is no such a thing like Him.

There is no such a being like Him.

There is only that One that is Him.

So if you ever experienced this you would know...unless He concealed Him self honestly.
Basically did not reveal Him self but Hide Him true Image His true self.

It is startling.
Because it is not of this world it is not of man.

He is not us.

If you come upon something that was intelligent moved and not beast not anything of this world.

You would feel it plum though you...
you feel it worse than anything that sets of senses like fear senses such as a deer encountering man.

You can feel Him plum past flesh gut bone....

You can feel Him all the way through to your soul.

There is no anger in Him even though you read about Him being angry...it is to let you know the manner of way He sees something.

But In Him anger is not like humans have nor any animal.

He has anger but minus the human emotions.
It is a still solemn cool clam anger more frightening than any raging manic man.

What He feels and thinks and knows you feel it go through you it is that piercing.

It is that strong it is that powerful.

He is not like our intelligence nothing like our thoughts or process of thinking..
Nothing like our human memory or imagination.

He is good and only good is in Him this who could resist.

But He is Righteous also.

We are not righteous no matter who we think we are we are not..

He is our righteousness unto us because there is no way what so ever to ever be or have The Righteousness of God.

We can be over come just by His joy if you think we humans get excited and happy sometimes so happy we cry tears of happiness.

He feels much greater than that...what He feels you can actually feel it coming from Him.

Straight through you..

No you know What He is to you.
you know Who He is to you.

No matter what manner He is in if He draws nigh or comes upon you..

You know it is Him.

Because there is no other such a One period.

Who would even think to do any thing when you can not even think or open your mouth.
You can not even move.

You just halt.
freeze.

Or drop.

He is wonderful and it is a wonder why He does care so much about ....man who is so simple and small and crude in from and fashion.

But He absolutely loves man He made.

With a guarding care and a mother bear type of love.

You just can not resist loving Him back....and when He is happy you are happy when He is loving you are loving.

You get to have what He is having because it permeates through you...

You just can not resist Him you will just naturally be drawn to Him.

Unless maybe He was against you.
Then you would just die.
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But when we accept jesus as our saviour and have faith in his blood.....ROMANS5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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literal - literally STUPID!
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But when we accept jesus as our saviour and have faith in his blood.....ROMANS5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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yes Thank God the Father he gave us The Lord Jesus Christ....He is the greatest gift we could have ever imagined.

He truly allows us to enjoy God to be able to even want or desire to come unto Him.

He made it possible through His love He demonstrated unto us...all His work here from the cross to the accession unto the heavens.

It was a great gift unto our hearts minds and souls joy great joy and hope....He gave us through peace.
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Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to outgrow the nonsense :)
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No human is perfect. Grow up yourself.
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people who hate God are unable to grow up, or love---they just wanna do whatever they want and be accepted.

very immature.

come rain or shine
hell or high water--literally

these types will not give in to God---only they can love and hate this christian nonsense at the same time---trully a feat only taught in university----

utter geniuses!!!!!


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Perfect love casts out fear. There comes a time to outgrow the nonsense :)
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No human is perfect. Grow up yourself.
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people who hate God are unable to grow up, or love---they just wanna do whatever they want and be accepted.

very immature.

come rain or shine
hell or high water--literally

these types will not give in to God---only they can love and hate this christian nonsense at the same time---trully a feat only taught in university----

utter geniuses!!!!!


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I take it you were never a lost sinner? I find this to be pretty common among Pharisees.

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