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That's if God gets offended, but I contend God does not. God is not of a human mind, religious people even would admit that, so why would it act or think like a human would? It wouldn't and doesn't.

Beyond that, if God created everything perfectly, how could we possibly do anything so bad that it didn't intend for us to do to begin with? The very notion lacks logic for such a being. If God didn't want certain things as part of the world, they simply wouldn't be, but they are, and I don't know about you, I think God knew what it was doing.

As I say, there is much more to the universe and yes God with it, than we know. But to really understand that, we first have to be willing to admit maybe what we have been told isn't accurate, and stop looking at it through the lenses we were raised with. We want to think we know all there is to know about God, but in reality, we really don't know half of what we think we know, and much of what we think we know is based upon lies. Until we can open our eyes and realize that, we will never truly understand the nature of the universe or ourselves, much less the nature of God.
 Quoting: ajk




Well ajk, it's not like we have nothing to base our idea of what God is on, his relationship to us is well recorded in the Bible, and when we begin our own relationship with him, we get to know even more.
We were made in his likeness, so although he doesn't have a human mind, he has some of the same attributes, and our behaviour does affect him, he reacts like a father.

God exists outside time, he can see all our actions, that to us are divided into past, present and future, as one whole.
Just because he knows what we will choose, does not make us irresponsible for our choices.
Free will and God's omniscience have exercised some great minds over the centuries, I'm still mulling over the implications, too, and it is too much to go into here, but this explains our position with regard to morality pretty well:

[link to www.newadvent.org]
 Quoting: K.Kool


I'm sorry but you just don't know God like you think you do, you simply don't. And how do you KNOW God's word is written in the Bible? Can you prove definitively that his stamp is on it? I could claim Moby Dick is divinely inspired, still doesn't make it true, it's just a book, the Bible is no different.

Secondly, if we are made in God's likeness, than that explains how bad a lot of people are, because the Biblical God is just as bad, if not worse! So on this I agree with you, if we have your God's likeness, then that's why we're so bad, like father like son........

As for the rest, if God knows every choice we make, how can we be responsible for them? That isn't fair. Free will can't exist, if the timeline is totally set in stone and we are not able to alter it in any way. You're basically saying, God creates people already KNOWING they aren't saved and are hellbound. Wouldn't it be easier just to NOT create those people? What good parent would do that, and then blame the child for something they had no control over anyway? No one would, and thus if God is better than us, it doesn't either.
 Quoting: ajk



We've reached that point in the debate where we just go back around again, but I guess airing it isn't ever totally wasted, if only because it shows how incomprehensible the mind of God is, to our capacity to understand.

Atheists don't like word 'mystery' but to me it is a rare jewel I'll appreciate till I die.

I know what I know, you have free will to keep hold of what you know, and to live your life accordingly, I sincerely hope you can leave the door to the mystery of faith open just a little bit.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Oh I have faith God exists, never ever said I have not, but I don't believe God is some tyrant watching over every little thing we do and punishing us for every wrong thing, I prefer to think much higher of a divine being than to think that.

Also.....if we can't understand the mind of God, how exactly can you? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? You're saying God's mind is incomprehensible, yet you somehow fully understand it? Yeah that makes sense.......if I can't grasp it you can't either, sorry.
 
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