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Are Hebrews the Vehicle for Passing Knowledge From a Prior High Civilization on to Modern Civilizations? ***MUST READ***

 
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Are Hebrews the vehicle for passing knowledge from a prior high civilization to modern civilizations?

Ancient Hebrews lived in the societies of ancient Egypt and Babylon, and have incorporated much of those high civilizations' traditions, rituals, and beliefs into their own culture.

After their sojourn in each of these high civilizations, the ancient Hebrews returned to the region that today we call Israel.

After revolting against their Roman overlords, the Hebrews began their greatest diaspora -- spreading out across the Mediterranean Basin (southern Europe, north Africa), using the stability and infrastructure and wide-reach of the Roman Empire to facilitate a successful trade as merchants. Their traditions, rituals, and beliefs (which they'd picked up from ancient Egypt and Babylon) were now being exposed to much of Europe, via the Roman Empire.

Was Christianity ("Pauline" Christianity = "Christianity" as preached by the apostle Paul after the death of Jesus) used to hijack and overtake in popularity the real/true traditions, rituals, and beliefs that the Hebrews had accumulated from their contact with ancient Egypt and Babylon, so that this real/true information would not find a wider audience (Europe under the Roman Empire), and would continue to be known only by a small tribe (the Hebrews)?

What pearls of wisdom did the ancient Hebrews assimilate through cultural osmosis as a result of their contact (indeed, living with) with the high civilizations of ancient Egypt and Babylon -- two ancient cultures we think: 1) were ruled by the few remaining bloodlines that were left over from an even earlier, high civilization, or 2) were, at least, privy to the knowledge from that earlier, high civilization, or 3) were visited by, and had knowledge passed down from, a "high civilization" from "elsewhere"?

And what pearls of wisdom did some group not want to make more accessible to more people?

Keep in mind that Freemasonry, ostensibly an organization that, while attempting to make good men better, is also a conduit for esoteric wisdom from the ancient mystery schools going back to the days when the ancient Hebrews were living among these ancient high civilizations. Indeed, Moses, we're told, was even raised in the Pharaoh's court, and thus, privy to the traditions, rituals, and beliefs of the ancient Egyptian high priests. Would it not make sense that Moses would utilize this knowledge when he led his own people to the Holy Land?

It reasons that if we want to know as much as we can about these ancient civilizations who seem to have had vast knowledge about esoteric things, we should (in lieu of finding cuneiform stelae or hieroglyphics) utilize the next best thing -- a culture (Hebrew beliefs) that had intimate contact with these civilizations, and has, arguably more than any other, sought to preserve (secretly and through intermarriage) this knowledge.

N'est pas?
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For the love of God, somebody PIN this. :) It'll get a good conversation going, with interesting insight from lots of people.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
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Are Hebrews the vehicle for passing knowledge from a prior high civilization to modern civilizations?

Ancient Hebrews lived in the societies of ancient Egypt and Babylon, and have incorporated much of those high civilizations' traditions, rituals, and beliefs into their own culture.

After their sojourn in each of these high civilizations, the ancient Hebrews returned to the region that today we call Israel.

After revolting against their Roman overlords, the Hebrews began their greatest diaspora -- spreading out across the Mediterranean Basin (southern Europe, north Africa), using the stability and infrastructure and wide-reach of the Roman Empire to facilitate a successful trade as merchants. Their traditions, rituals, and beliefs (which they'd picked up from ancient Egypt and Babylon) were now being exposed to much of Europe, via the Roman Empire.

Was Christianity ("Pauline" Christianity = "Christianity" as preached by the apostle Paul after the death of Jesus) used to hijack and overtake in popularity the real/true traditions, rituals, and beliefs that the Hebrews had accumulated from their contact with ancient Egypt and Babylon, so that this real/true information would not find a wider audience (Europe under the Roman Empire), and would continue to be known only by a small tribe (the Hebrews)?

What pearls of wisdom did the ancient Hebrews assimilate through cultural osmosis as a result of their contact (indeed, living with) with the high civilizations of ancient Egypt and Babylon -- two ancient cultures we think: 1) were ruled by the few remaining bloodlines that were left over from an even earlier, high civilization, or 2) were, at least, privy to the knowledge from that earlier, high civilization, or 3) were visited by, and had knowledge passed down from, a "high civilization" from "elsewhere"?

And what pearls of wisdom did some group not want to make more accessible to more people?

Keep in mind that Freemasonry, ostensibly an organization that, while attempting to make good men better, is also a conduit for esoteric wisdom from the ancient mystery schools going back to the days when the ancient Hebrews were living among these ancient high civilizations. Indeed, Moses, we're told, was even raised in the Pharaoh's court, and thus, privy to the traditions, rituals, and beliefs of the ancient Egyptian high priests. Would it not make sense that Moses would utilize this knowledge when he led his own people to the Holy Land?

It reasons that if we want to know as much as we can about these ancient civilizations who seem to have had vast knowledge about esoteric things, we should (in lieu of finding cuneiform stelae or hieroglyphics) utilize the next best thing -- a culture (Hebrew beliefs) that had intimate contact with these civilizations, and has, arguably more than any other, sought to preserve (secretly and through intermarriage) this knowledge.

N'est pas?
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Should read: After revolting against their Roman overlords in Judea, the Hebrews' kingdom was destroyed and most of them left the area for other parts of the Roman Empire.

Think of it as honey bees (coincidentally an esoteric symbol) . If you come in contact with a single or a few honey bees, nothing to worry about. But if you approach their hive, they get aggressive and defensive and there's bound to be problems. Such was the way with Hebrews. They were, understandably or not, stubborn and uncompromising in their culture. They wanted no earthly overlord; only the divine overlordship of YHWH. The Revolt and subsequent destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple forced them to leave the region. Rome had no problem with Hebrews, per se; only the militant ones in Jerusalem. Once Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed, Hebrews utilized the benefits of the Roman Empire throughout the Mediterranean Basin to facilitate their merchant trading activities. The Roman Empire provided the infrastructure, stability, and protection. The bees' hive was destroyed. The bees scattered, no longer a threat to Roman power.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
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Why don't you explain those to me here in this thread? It's a perfect opportunity.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
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What I find interesting is that people who discount "mainstream" history will then proceed to tell you what "really" happened. Of course, their "sources" are impeccable, right? :)
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
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But really, you should post what you think is wrong and what you think is right. You could be right. Let's hash it out.
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No. No way.
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No. No way.
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Read carefully. HEBREWS. Not Askhenazi. :)
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For the reasons I wrote, it would make sense that they would be.
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For the reasons I wrote, it would make sense that they would be.
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There's even evidence of this: Many of the stories in the Bible (the Old Testament, of which of course, is jewish) are nearly exact retellings of much older Sumerian texts (via Babylon, where the Hebrews were taken into exile in the 6th century, B.C.).
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At its core, this is one of the biggest, most important issues of western civilization, and hence...world civilization, because of the West's vast impact upon the planet.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
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Why don't you explain those to me here in this thread? It's a perfect opportunity.
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The question is really complex.
A good place to start is by realizing that the regions of Judea and Israel were two completely distinct geographical locations, cultures and religious belief systems, and only united for a comparatively short period.
The two histories have been blended into one.
But man, to get through the bullshit, you have to drop the a priori assumptions that everyone makes, the propaganda,the outright lies and go back to as close to source material as possible and THINK.
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At its core, this is one of the biggest, most important issues of western civilization, and hence...world civilization, because of the West's vast impact upon the planet.
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questions, rather
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No.

Jews or the main group calling themselves Hebrew are not beingers of any knowledge. THey are a jealous and petty people who enter into a society to destroy because they are envious. THey choose society based on wealth. That is why they chose to enter Europe and harass the different European countries after the fall of the ROman Empire. THey knew that vast amount of wealth was in Europe. At the early stages it was Eastern Europe which throughout time they have decimated. Now they have turned their eye on Western Europe. They are trying to destroy western europe and their number one agenda is to end the domination of white people. Not because they believe it to be wrong but they find it demeaning and they think they should be in charge.
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Yes, and that knowledge is contained within the Quabala. It is actually at the root of the majority of the western mystery schools.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
 Quoting: Sigh 28872856


Why don't you explain those to me here in this thread? It's a perfect opportunity.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

The question is really complex.
A good place to start is by realizing that the regions of Judea and Israel were two completely distinct geographical locations, cultures and religious belief systems, and only united for a comparatively short period.
The two histories have been blended into one.
But man, to get through the bullshit, you have to drop the a priori assumptions that everyone makes, the propaganda,the outright lies and go back to as close to source material as possible and THINK.
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Exactly. I think a lot of people think of the modern state of Israel and Askhenazis when they hear "Hebrews". I was careful to call them what they were -- Hebrews; not Jews. "Jews" are a modern-age phenomena, having only been called so in the last few hundred years.

And like I said, apart from finding cuneiform stelae or Egyptian hieroglyphics, I think many of the Hebrew traditions, rituals, and beliefs are our closest link with that distant past high civilization.
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Yes, and that knowledge is contained within the Quabala. It is actually at the root of the majority of the western mystery schools.
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Precisely.
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No.

Jews or the main group calling themselves Hebrew are not beingers of any knowledge. THey are a jealous and petty people who enter into a society to destroy because they are envious. THey choose society based on wealth. That is why they chose to enter Europe and harass the different European countries after the fall of the ROman Empire. THey knew that vast amount of wealth was in Europe. At the early stages it was Eastern Europe which throughout time they have decimated. Now they have turned their eye on Western Europe. They are trying to destroy western europe and their number one agenda is to end the domination of white people. Not because they believe it to be wrong but they find it demeaning and they think they should be in charge.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're mixing up two different groups. I'm not talking about present-day Ashkenazi from Russia via Khazaria.

You have to read what I write. I didn't say they were "beginners of any knowledge". (Not that they might not have been. But that's not what I said). I said they were a conduit -- a vehicle for transmission of vast ancient knowledge across time and space; knowledge that was held by the ancient high civilizations that they came in contact with -- ancient Egypt and Babylon.

I'm not a fan of Zionism, either. But this is completely different.
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The Roman "empire" never fail. Those people ran into Khazaria (Khazar = Kaiser = Ceasar) and had a mass conversion into "judaism." The "judaism" they took on is based on heavy Kabbalah magic, Babylonian sorcery and hatred for Christ, contempt the ROMANS always had for him and those who believed on him

Now these Romans, who went into Khazaria and now call themselves "jewish" are doing their best to destroy Gods chosen people, the poor colored meek of the earth. These people get ridiculed throughout the earth, mocked, get called all disrespect things, when really, they are a people of LAW. But after being destroyed through the experience of the slave ships (Deut 28:68/Jeremiah 17:4).

But their lack of identity and being under ROMAN persecution since 70 AD is in full effect to this day. Luckily our GOD, the GOD OF ISRAEL (AHAYAH) is awakening his true people in these last days to be counted for the 144k (Revelation 7), do your part to help awaken these people, they are our only hope along with their Saviour.

I leave with this,

Revelation 2:9 3:9.
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All your questions are predicated on the fact that you have swallowed the mainstream BS, ergo they are all flawed.

Study the history of the Hebrews (you have to go back to antediluvian times) and then come back and you'll see the errors in your thinking clear as day.
 Quoting: Sigh 28872856


Why don't you explain those to me here in this thread? It's a perfect opportunity.
 Quoting: Thor's Hamster

The question is really complex.
A good place to start is by realizing that the regions of Judea and Israel were two completely distinct geographical locations, cultures and religious belief systems, and only united for a comparatively short period.
The two histories have been blended into one.
But man, to get through the bullshit, you have to drop the a priori assumptions that everyone makes, the propaganda,the outright lies and go back to as close to source material as possible and THINK.
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Exactly. I think a lot of people think of the modern state of Israel and Askhenazis when they hear "Hebrews". I was careful to call them what they were -- Hebrews; not Jews. "Jews" are a modern-age phenomena, having only been called so in the last few hundred years.

And like I said, apart from finding cuneiform stelae or Egyptian hieroglyphics, I think many of the Hebrew traditions, rituals, and beliefs are our closest link with that distant past high civilization.
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Personally I think tracking it back to pre-Sumeria is the key.
If you look at a map of the Eurasian steppe you'll see that it extends from Mongolia to, roughly, Hungary.
When the Bible mentions Hebrews (and the history is quite sketchy)and the Egyptians "asians" (remembering that Asia is the old name for what is now Turkey they're talking about nomadic horse/ass/ and camel people, originally from the north.
Greek myths mention Hyperborea, and Orpheus etc.
It's one of those glossed over (deliberately) facts that those cultures were a lot more advanced than is believed.
Who invented sopa (soap) and steel?
Knowledge can be passed on orally (which engenders good memory) or by literacy (which doesn't).
A good place to leave ancient knowledge is with people with excellent memories and living in isolated regions, not subject to control by centralizing forces.
Hint:the Black Sea region is the central point where the nomads interacted.
It's history is VERY interesting.
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Surely the South Indian peoples who speak Dravidian are the culture bearers. Unbroken line of descent from the higher flooded kingdoms of the past. Family of some 70 languages spoken primarily in South Asia. The Dravidian languages are spoken by more than 215 million people. Sanskrit has Dravidian loan words.

There are similarities between Dravidian and African languages. [link to olmec98.net]

The Hebrews, a Semetic people, come rather late to the game. Now for the Christianized West, naturally, the Hebrews had to be important people and thus the story of their greatness much exaggerated comes down the centuries as a mix of fable fact and pure fiction.
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No. No way.
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Read carefully. HEBREWS. Not Askhenazi. :)
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I've always wondered what the ancient Hebrews looked like, how they dressed and so on. I guess we'll never really know.
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God's people :

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No. No way.
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Read carefully. HEBREWS. Not Askhenazi. :)
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Okay.

Just so long as you don't try to tell me that loan sharking is something we were supposed to learn from an advanced civilization.
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Elohim !
Allah Akbar !
Oh my God !

All the same shit.
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Elohim !
Allah Akbar !
Oh my God !

All the same shit.
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Same dried up camel turds.
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no hebrews are just as worthless as every other race
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You guys aren't reading carefully. I didn't say Hebrews were the originators of a high civilization of the past. I asked if they were the VEHICLE for the DIFFUSION of high civilizations of the past (ancient Egypt, Babylon), by virtue of the fact that the ancient Hebrews lived within these societies, and were thus exposed to their traditions, rituals, and beliefs. Then subsequently, the Hebrews themselves diffused out from Judea to European parts of the Roman Empire, thus exposing much of Europe to traditions, rituals, and beliefs from the high civilizations of ancient Egypt and Babylon that they'd otherwise not much be exposed to.
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