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[link to pbadupws.nrc.gov]
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NO REALLY ....READ THIS !!!bump
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It won't load. What is it?
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Wow! Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for the summary and hint on what this is even about...


That's really gonna make people want to load a huge PDF.


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12/04/2012 12:39 AM
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Wow well if that is not a warning I'm not sure what is!!! Several years...wow!
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it is not for u.
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I got to Page 37 of 44...

And?
One of these days... A *REAL* rain is gonna come and wash all this scum off the streets.
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Here's one...


You might want to read THIS:

[link to www.online-literature.com]

Start with Chapter 1
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12/04/2012 12:45 AM
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Thanks for the summary and hint on what this is even about...


That's really gonna make people want to load a huge PDF.


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Pwned lol
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12/04/2012 12:46 AM
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in-case anyone is wondering... grabbed tid bits from the link


*snip*

New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been
studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists
and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic
consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns
must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific
scrutiny and thorough peer review.
When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S
study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and
others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and
organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently
published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny
and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious
and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance.


*snip*

In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of
reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric
System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric
sector representatives, scientists and engineers,





*snip*
NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability
Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional
generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its
Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers
with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure
to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20
years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force
and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between
GIC and transformer failures.


*snip*

We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic
assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD
events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned
could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an
unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved
appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration.


*snip*

The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months
with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task
force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress
has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or
recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the
report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version.
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12/04/2012 12:46 AM
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Well I'm glad that the potential problem is defined and with a lot of relevant data, and of course I see nothing about how the government plans to handle it. It should have been part of these shovel ready jobs.

Thanks for putting it out. I'm going to share it further. It definitely legitimizes prepping doesn't it? Maybe it's why the government is prepping.
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12/04/2012 12:53 AM
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please do pass it along...
just trying to help.
its not for everyone.
just info. good luck to
everyone.siren2
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12/04/2012 12:55 AM

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it is not for u.
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Ahahahaha I mean I guess it's not for ANYONE who might actually use search keywords in the future seeking to find information about this.


Great fucking work OP!


fuckyou
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12/04/2012 01:01 AM
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go be happy Mr o
relax and take care of business.
why let this little thing annoy you.
let your cancer attitude go.
peace sweet dreams.sweet dreams.
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YOU WILL NOT CONTROL MY MIIIIIIND!!!!
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YOU WILL NOT CONTROL MY MIIIIIIND!!!!
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everybody is so full of shit chuckle ... :P



hf
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12/04/2012 01:43 AM
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please do pass it along...
just trying to help.
its not for everyone.
just info. good luck to
everyone.siren2
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ty op!

5 stars
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12/04/2012 01:51 AM

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bump
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What a great thread. I'll always l00k forward to coming back to it. So easy to remember too, thanks OP. (:
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Thanks for the summary and hint on what this is even about...


That's really gonna make people want to load a huge PDF.


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 Quoting: Mister Obvious


^THIS^
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in-case anyone is wondering... grabbed tid bits from the link


*snip*

New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been
studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists
and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic
consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns
must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific
scrutiny and thorough peer review.
When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S
study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and
others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and
organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently
published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny
and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious
and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance.


*snip*

In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of
reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric
System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric
sector representatives, scientists and engineers,





*snip*
NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability
Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional
generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its
Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers
with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure
to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20
years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force
and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between
GIC and transformer failures.


*snip*

We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic
assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD
events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned
could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an
unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved
appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration.


*snip*

The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months
with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task
force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress
has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or
recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the
report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version.
 Quoting: SeaPunk



Basically they are worried about a Carrington event?
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Basically they are worried about a Carrington event?
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Seems to dismiss a Carrington event, more so than anything.
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in-case anyone is wondering... grabbed tid bits from the link


*snip*

New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been
studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists
and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic
consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns
must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific
scrutiny and thorough peer review.
When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S
study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and
others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and
organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently
published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny
and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious
and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance.


*snip*

In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of
reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric
System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric
sector representatives, scientists and engineers,





*snip*
NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability
Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional
generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its
Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers
with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure
to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20
years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force
and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between
GIC and transformer failures.


*snip*

We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic
assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD
events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned
could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an
unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved
appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration.


*snip*

The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months
with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task
force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress
has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or
recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the
report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version.
 Quoting: SeaPunk



Okay, that's interesting stuff. What's even more disturbing than what was mentioned is the fact that these assholes are being paid with tax monies and they aren't relaying this information to the people who paid for the information.
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take the fag out of your mouth, put down the weapons, read it and share with everyone else what it is about... rather than whine you are not being spoon fed your doom is cozy bite sized pieces like some spoiled little 18 yr old middle class princess. get off your ass and contribute. Your welcome


it is not for u.
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Ahahahaha I mean I guess it's not for ANYONE who might actually use search keywords in the future seeking to find information about this.


Great fucking work OP!


:fuckyou:
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Just downloaded the file...took about 15 seconds.


I don't have time to read it right now but scanned through it quickly.

In summary....the document shows that different government organizations are concerned about solar storms and the risk to the national power grid.


Thanks OP
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12/04/2012 03:29 AM
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The FERC Report concludes that power could be interrupted to as many 130 million Americans for several years, while the NERC Report concludes that the most likely worst-case scenario is a blackout lasting hours or days.
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The GMD Task Force Interim Report might imply that a key concern for EHV transformers is "simultaneous, catastrophic failure" This, however, is not a proper characterization of the concern. It is a well-known and agreed upon fact by all GMDTF members that the mean replacement time for new extra high voltage transformers is between 12 - 18 months, when requested in conventional, small numbers. At this replacement rate, "simultaneous" failure - and potentially catastrophic problems for the power grid - effectively occurs if transformers are damaged to a degree where significant numbers fail within days, weeks, or even several months of a GMD event.
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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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The FERC Report concludes that power could be interrupted to as many 130 million Americans for several years, while the NERC Report concludes that the most likely worst-case scenario is a blackout lasting hours or days.
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Important to note, the NERC report has no data to back it up, its basically utility company guys sitting around bullshitting about the problem and how to downplay it.
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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.

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