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The FERC Report concludes that power could be interrupted to as many 130 million Americans for several years, while the NERC Report concludes that the most likely worst-case scenario is a blackout lasting hours or days.
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Important to note, the NERC report has no data to back it up, its basically utility company guys sitting around bullshitting about the problem and how to downplay it.
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Which basically means that if FERC report is ok, then power infrastructure will be affected for several years.
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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.
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No need to be rude Russia, this article only addresses us and Canada. Why don't you post something that discusses the world and I'll respond accordingly.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.
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No need to be rude Russia, this article only addresses us and Canada. Why don't you post something that discusses the world and I'll respond accordingly.
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Well it says that even British Parliament arrives at the scientific consensus that a great geomagnetic storm would cause widespread damage to power grid transformers, result in a protracted blackout lasting months or years, and have catastrophic consequences for society.
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OP, you're a lazy fag...probably an Emo too.

Suggest unpin.
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12/04/2012 03:51 AM

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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246


No need to be rude Russia, this article only addresses us and Canada. Why don't you post something that discusses the world and I'll respond accordingly.
 Quoting: Isis One



Well it says that even British Parliament arrives at the scientific consensus that a great geomagnetic storm would cause widespread damage to power grid transformers, result in a protracted blackout lasting months or years, and have catastrophic consequences for society.
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Ok, primarily discusses US as in, I only read material from primarily inter-departmental US agencies.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
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12/04/2012 04:24 AM

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Will read later
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12/04/2012 04:24 AM
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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
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It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246


No need to be rude Russia, this article only addresses us and Canada. Why don't you post something that discusses the world and I'll respond accordingly.
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Well it says that even British Parliament arrives at the scientific consensus that a great geomagnetic storm would cause widespread damage to power grid transformers, result in a protracted blackout lasting months or years, and have catastrophic consequences for society.
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This info has been mainstream for years. Even Yahoo has had articles about such a scenario. Thanks for reminding us about it, OP, but it's hardly breaking news.
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12/04/2012 05:16 AM
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This info has been mainstream for years. Even Yahoo has had articles about such a scenario. Thanks for reminding us about it, OP, but it's hardly breaking news.
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12/04/2012 06:01 AM

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So the only people who will survive will be the Extreme Preppers seen on TV and the Bunker government people. Why is there never any mention of building bunkers for the American People I wonder? Trillions are spent. Couldn't there have been caverns and enough preps for ten years in em?
Thanks OP.
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I hope they make a discount on my utility bill when that happens
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I hope they make a discount on my utility bill when that happens
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Once (if) they get the power grid repaired I'm sure there will be a new charge on your electric bill

"Infrastructure Rebuild Charge" $$$$$$$
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12/04/2012 06:34 AM
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Nothing new.
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12/04/2012 06:41 AM
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Get ready for the lights to go out for years.

They are putting this out there for the public but the public don't have a clue and make the connection.

Weekly TV series: Revolution

In that series the lights go out and they allege they never knew why?

Book: One Second After by Forstren

in the book the lights go out permanently and how society will be effected..............most people die within one year.

When you then consider the Georgia Guidestones where population is set at 500 million globally.......

well the quickest way to do that is to turn out the lights.

MOST PEOPLE WILL BE DEAD WITHIN ONE YEAR.

Are you getting ready for the lights to go out?

Seems that is a promise coming.
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Get ready for the lights to go out for years.

They are putting this out there for the public but the public don't have a clue and make the connection.

Weekly TV series: Revolution

In that series the lights go out and they allege they never knew why?

Book: One Second After by Forstren

in the book the lights go out permanently and how society will be effected..............most people die within one year.

When you then consider the Georgia Guidestones where population is set at 500 million globally.......

well the quickest way to do that is to turn out the lights.

MOST PEOPLE WILL BE DEAD WITHIN ONE YEAR.

Are you getting ready for the lights to go out?

Seems that is a promise coming.
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Thread: Dec 21 2012 - Energy Cartel will keep you out of electricity for 3 days worldwide...
ayr phorce yuan

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12/04/2012 06:56 AM
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I got to Page 37 of 44...

And?
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Lol, indeed, I read it twice just to be sure ;)
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12/04/2012 07:03 AM
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Get ready for the lights to go out for years.

Weekly TV series: Revolution

In that series the lights go out and they allege they never knew why?

Book: One Second After by Forstren

in the book the lights go out permanently and how society will be effected..............most people die within one year.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256858


WILLIAM R. FORSTCHEN has a Ph.D. from Purdue University with specializations in Military History and the History of Technology.

-Amazon

I have studied technology development/history from a broad perspective too, and I was writing fiction on this same theme before Revolution came out.

The issue is that we aren't building on top of our old infrastructure, we're replacing it with new, far more delicate systems that are ever more efficient, but also easier to disrupt. Think of that thumb drive that can now fit all the books in your library on it in text form. Pretty cool in one way, but on the other hand its hard to accidentally drop that library in your toilet.

We're building a society that can fit in the palm of somebody's hand, that can be massively disrupted through small events.

The people trying to warn us of this are our friends.
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12/04/2012 07:04 AM
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The FERC Report concludes that power could be interrupted to as many 130 million Americans for several years, while the NERC Report concludes that the most likely worst-case scenario is a blackout lasting hours or days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246


Important to note, the NERC report has no data to back it up, its basically utility company guys sitting around bullshitting about the problem and how to downplay it.
 Quoting: Isis One



Which basically means that if FERC report is ok, then power infrastructure will be affected for several years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246


What's coming will make life w/o electricity like a walk in the park in comparison.
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What I don't buy is this........

It can take 12-18 months to replace the transformer. We anticipate catastrophic failure at some pint in time. Since a Carrington type event is inevitable.

Why not replace the fucking things BEFORE they blow. Shit, we knew this years ahead of time. We should have replacements for the replacements by now.
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12/04/2012 07:14 AM
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NO REALLY ....READ THIS !!!bump
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Get ready for the lights to go out for years.

They are putting this out there for the public but the public don't have a clue and make the connection.

Weekly TV series: Revolution

In that series the lights go out and they allege they never knew why?

Book: One Second After by Forstren

in the book the lights go out permanently and how society will be effected..............most people die within one year.

When you then consider the Georgia Guidestones where population is set at 500 million globally.......

well the quickest way to do that is to turn out the lights.

MOST PEOPLE WILL BE DEAD WITHIN ONE YEAR.

Are you getting ready for the lights to go out?

Seems that is a promise coming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15256858


One Second After: Highly recommend.

Thanks for the post OP, enlightening to say the least.
"May your electricity go out a second before the shit hits the fan." -Conspiracy Theorist's Blessing

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What I don't buy is this........

It can take 12-18 months to replace the transformer. We anticipate catastrophic failure at some pint in time. Since a Carrington type event is inevitable.

Why not replace the fucking things BEFORE they blow. Shit, we knew this years ahead of time. We should have replacements for the replacements by now.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


But this would fit their agenda nicely they dont even need to do anything they can just sit back in their bunkers while society tears itself apart.
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no emo ET

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Thanks OPhiding
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Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere.
 Quoting: Isis One



It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246


Frankly, the loss of electrical power and modern telecommunications worldwide would be catastrophic culturally, in the sense of the likely failure of effective social leadership. Global life-expectancy figures would likely become inverted in favour of third-world societies who are closest to traditional subsistence economies. Frankly, the UK needs to re-institute the Home Guard as a respected volunteer body, and rewarded with the right to bear arms,with the aim of enlarging its membership to assume as much as possible of the functions of our present armed forces, Police, Fire and Ambulance services, UK Border Agency and Civil Service in general. I would like us to have the ruggedly independent defence posture of the Swiss.

Otherwise, in the event of the next Carrington event, we are going to wind up with the next best doom to a Zombie Apocalypse.
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What I don't buy is this........

It can take 12-18 months to replace the transformer. We anticipate catastrophic failure at some pint in time. Since a Carrington type event is inevitable.

Why not replace the fucking things BEFORE they blow. Shit, we knew this years ahead of time. We should have replacements for the replacements by now.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


But this would fit their agenda nicely they dont even need to do anything they can just sit back in their bunkers while society tears itself apart.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29016262



Exactly!! It is as you stated they have their bunkers and their expensive generators and food stores that will last for years, they don't give a shit about the sheep.


That is why they downplayed the actual research.


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Thanks for the summary and hint on what this is even about...


That's really gonna make people want to load a huge PDF.


Learn how to make an effective thread.
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^^This^^
I get so sick of f**king threads entitled "Read This"
that don't give the slightest indication what the thread is about.
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Of course... it could be days, weeks or years before something like this could happen.... but I expect it will happen one day.

There are two risks that result from the introduction of GICs to the bulk power
system:
* Damage to bulk power system assets, typically associated with
transformers, and
* Loss of reactive power support, which could lead to voltage instability and
power system collapse.

Restoration times of the power system from these two risks [damage to transformers and
voltage instability] are significantly different. For example, restoration times from system
collapse due to voltage instability would be a matter of hours to days, while replacing
transformers requires long-lead times (a number of months) to replace or move spares
into place, unless they are in a nearby location. Therefore, the failure of a large number of
transformers would have considerable impacts on large portions of the system:'

See the Chart on page 15 - it show all of the EAST as far as Indiana and Oregon and Washington for the areas that will have a Effects on the U.S. Power Grid

Restoration times of the power system from these two risks [damage to transformers and
voltage instability] are significantly different. For example, restoration times from system
collapse due to voltage instability would be a matter of hours to days, while replacing
transformers requires long-lead times (a number of months) to replace or move spares
into place, unless they are in a nearby location. Therefore, the failure of a large number of
transformers would have considerable impacts on large portions of the system:'
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