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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23592727 United States 12/04/2012 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | *snip* New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific scrutiny and thorough peer review. When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance. *snip* In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric sector representatives, scientists and engineers, *snip* NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20 years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between GIC and transformer failures. *snip* We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration. *snip* The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3494980 United States 12/04/2012 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well I'm glad that the potential problem is defined and with a lot of relevant data, and of course I see nothing about how the government plans to handle it. It should have been part of these shovel ready jobs. Thanks for putting it out. I'm going to share it further. It definitely legitimizes prepping doesn't it? Maybe it's why the government is prepping. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28621784 Canada 12/04/2012 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in-case anyone is wondering... grabbed tid bits from the link Quoting: SeaPunk *snip* New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific scrutiny and thorough peer review. When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance. *snip* In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric sector representatives, scientists and engineers, *snip* NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20 years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between GIC and transformer failures. *snip* We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration. *snip* The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version. Basically they are worried about a Carrington event? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21651258 United States 12/04/2012 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in-case anyone is wondering... grabbed tid bits from the link Quoting: SeaPunk *snip* New concerns over Severe Space Weather and associated Geomagnetic Disturbances have been studied recently by multiple government agencies, including some of the nation's best scientists and engineers. With reports from all of these studies projecting the potential for catastrophic consequences for the nation, any credible organization undertaking to minimize these concerns must subject itself - and be subjected by others - to the highest possible standards of scientific scrutiny and thorough peer review. When evaluating an issue projected by the Oak Ridge National Laboratory DOE/FERC/D-S study, by NASA and the National Academy of Sciences, the previous DOE / NERC HILF study and others to be a potential existential risk for tens of millions of Americans, the implied personal and organizational responsibilities far surpass normal technical and scientific standards. The recently published GMD Task Force Report does not appear, however, to meet NERC's standards of selfscrutiny and peer review, and certainly does not rise to the level of especially diligent, cautious and comprehensive data and modeling review required for an issue of such unique importance. *snip* In early 2011, NERC formed the Geomagnetic Disturbance Task Force (GMDTF) with the goal of reaching scientific consensus on risks and mitigation options for the US-Canadian Bulk Electric System (BES) from a large coronal mass ejection from the Sun. Task force participants - electric sector representatives, scientists and engineers, *snip* NERC has data for past transformer failures contained in its Generating Availability Data System (GADS). GADS is a mandatory reporting system for conventional generators. NERC also has data for past transformer failures contained in its Transmission Availability Data System (TADS). TADS collects data for transformers with 200 kV or more on the low-side. EPRI has collected data on transformer exposure to geomagnetically-induced currents (GIC) as part of its Sunburst program for over 20 years. EPRI did not contribute any location-specific GIC data to the GMD Task Force and, as a result, the task force was unable to perform statistical correlations between GIC and transformer failures. *snip* We urge the report's authors to recognize that their report, unique among all others in its optimistic assertions, could contribute to a possible failure to harden the U.S. grid against severe GMD events. If such an event proves to be catastrophic, as all previous government studies have warned could be the case, the NERC GMD Task Force Report could be viewed as a key contributor to an unprecedented national catastrophe. The organizational and personal responsibilities involved appear to be unprecedented, and should be given the most careful consideration. *snip* The Task Force made progress, and an interim report has been in the works for several months with participation and iteration by task force participants. A draft version circulated to task force participants a short time ago (January 9, 2012) correctly indicated that while progress has been made, the findings so far are preliminary, and specific, unambiguous conclusions or recommendations have not yet been developed or adopted by the task force. For this reason the report to be issued in early March was expected to be an interim version. Okay, that's interesting stuff. What's even more disturbing than what was mentioned is the fact that these assholes are being paid with tax monies and they aren't relaying this information to the people who paid for the information. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 18054389 Argentina 12/04/2012 02:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | take the fag out of your mouth, put down the weapons, read it and share with everyone else what it is about... rather than whine you are not being spoon fed your doom is cozy bite sized pieces like some spoiled little 18 yr old middle class princess. get off your ass and contribute. Your welcome |
Morpheus User ID: 1424669 United States 12/04/2012 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't have time to read it right now but scanned through it quickly. In summary....the document shows that different government organizations are concerned about solar storms and the risk to the national power grid. Thanks OP |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1492246 Russia 12/04/2012 03:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The GMD Task Force Interim Report might imply that a key concern for EHV transformers is "simultaneous, catastrophic failure" This, however, is not a proper characterization of the concern. It is a well-known and agreed upon fact by all GMDTF members that the mean replacement time for new extra high voltage transformers is between 12 - 18 months, when requested in conventional, small numbers. At this replacement rate, "simultaneous" failure - and potentially catastrophic problems for the power grid - effectively occurs if transformers are damaged to a degree where significant numbers fail within days, weeks, or even several months of a GMD event. |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 12/04/2012 03:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Isis One User ID: 14343270 United States 12/04/2012 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The FERC Report concludes that power could be interrupted to as many 130 million Americans for several years, while the NERC Report concludes that the most likely worst-case scenario is a blackout lasting hours or days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1492246 Important to note, the NERC report has no data to back it up, its basically utility company guys sitting around bullshitting about the problem and how to downplay it. Spread the word, change the collective conscious...... THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND When you are undisciplined, the universe is extremely forgiving and when you are disciplined, the universe is extremely generous. Me One doesn't discover new lands without consenting to lose sight, for a very long time, of the shore. Andre Gide [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1492246 Russia 12/04/2012 03:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks OP, I hope the government or the utility commision has started changing out some of these older high voltage transformers. I live in the Northeast, so I'm kind of screwed if we get a record breaking solar storm/flare. Glad I have friends elsewhere. Quoting: Isis One It concerns the world, not only US and Canada. Wake up. |