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IF SHTF...everyone's TRUE colors will come out!

 
ClydeX

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I have seen 'prep advisors' say that you should experience hunger, real hunger so you'll know the mindset of a hungry person demanding (or begging) for your food. Real hunger meaning to go without eating for 24 - 36 hours.

You might think, oh, this guy 'just' wants some food. No, he will have no reservations about killing you for your food and you must be prepared to kill him first.

I'm not a hard ass and I would be hard pressed to kill another person. I hope to keep a low profile and avoid that situation.
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Absolutely, and we teach that very line of thought.

We here in the US have been blessed with enough prosperity to allow for apathy, greed, and complacency to take hold, while also destroying drive, work ethic, and initiative necessary to prepare for the future of one's self and family.

Essentially; the vast majority of people have no clue what TRUE hunger is, nor the effects on the mind & body. I'm not referring to an afternoon stretch to dinner because you missed lunch. I'm referring to real hunger. To watching your children cry from hunger (or thirst). To attempt to secure some sort of food for yourself and family, all the while expending even more calories in your search.

Then add in the cold, the wet, the dark, and the overwhelming stress that grows minute by minute as you look into the hungry eyes of your spouse and children.

There is a great humbling headed our way, and I assure you it will not be a nice process.
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Ironically, most of those whom many consider as "rich" will not fair as well in a long-term situation as being discussed here.

Those from a rural/ agrarian background will be much more suited to live through such event. The reason(s) for this are skill sets (life skills, as we label them), as well as having a familiarity with growing, hunting, preparing, storing, and even rationing food, in conjunction with "tightening the belt" when things are lean.

Time and exposure - those are the two keys to crating competence and skill sets. Affluence, even though it may create the possibilities for a warehouse of food and supplies, and even open opportunities of attending training courses and classes, in and of itself cannot provide these.

If I were to label the greatest move towards one becoming TRULY prepared, it would stem from arriving at and recognizing a point that one understands what they do not know, what they need to learn, and doing what is possible for them personally in order to increase their time and exposure of not only learning these aforementioned life skills, but also becoming well-versed in their use and application under adverse, trying conditions.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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in a shtf all of their freebies will come to a grinding halt and there can only be one result:

the cities will be burned to the ground......
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I have seen 'prep advisors' say that you should experience hunger, real hunger so you'll know the mindset of a hungry person demanding (or begging) for your food. Real hunger meaning to go without eating for 24 - 36 hours.

You might think, oh, this guy 'just' wants some food. No, he will have no reservations about killing you for your food and you must be prepared to kill him first.

I'm not a hard ass and I would be hard pressed to kill another person. I hope to keep a low profile and avoid that situation.
 Quoting: Real list


Absolutely, and we teach that very line of thought.

We here in the US have been blessed with enough prosperity to allow for apathy, greed, and complacency to take hold, while also destroying drive, work ethic, and initiative necessary to prepare for the future of one's self and family.

Essentially; the vast majority of people have no clue what TRUE hunger is, nor the effects on the mind & body. I'm not referring to an afternoon stretch to dinner because you missed lunch. I'm referring to real hunger. To watching your children cry from hunger (or thirst). To attempt to secure some sort of food for yourself and family, all the while expending even more calories in your search.

Then add in the cold, the wet, the dark, and the overwhelming stress that grows minute by minute as you look into the hungry eyes of your spouse and children.

There is a great humbling headed our way, and I assure you it will not be a nice process.
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I have thought a lot about this. The children especially.

Horrifying and terribly depressing.

I'm not sure I can face this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10783814


Children dramatically alter an already dynamic equation.

What are they capable of contributing?
What are their specific/ differing needs of food and hydration?
What are their specific/ differing needs for sanitation?
What are their specific/ differing needs for sleep/ rest?
What are their specific/ differing needs for medications?
What are the additional noise considerations that having an infant/ child along creates?

These are but a few of the additional considerations that must be addressed when your personal equation entails children - and I write these while also having an infant here in our equation.

True, the Mongols/ Israelites/ Vikings/ American Indians/ etc. moved great distances, established areas of prosperity, and even fought battles while traveling with children, but again we must realize that we (the US) have not faced the necessity of such actions, nor have we (as a people) retained the life skills nor the personal heartiness to begin to hold a candle to these particular sects of people.

We (the US) are happier with apathy, laziness, complacency, and denial - and it will be our ultimate undoing.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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You called it OP.

This is why it's important to be informed and have early warning when it's time to get your family and get out of dodge. And naturally prior to that have all the necessities prepared already. Have a plan and where to go. And in a low profile manner head on out before shit gets serious. Lay low wait it out and return when the situation has normalized.

I'm not even going into zombies and other fantasy shit. Just think Katrina, Sandy etc.
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You called it OP.

This is why it's important to be informed and have early warning when it's time to get your family and get out of dodge. And naturally prior to that have all the necessities prepared already. Have a plan and where to go. And in a low profile manner head on out before shit gets serious. Lay low wait it out and return when the situation has normalized.

I'm not even going into zombies and other fantasy shit. Just think Katrina, Sandy etc.
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Yes -

Prepare for those events that have a true propensity of happening in your geographic area -
Power outage
Loss of water
Blizzard
Ice Storm
Flood
Tornado (and other extreme weather)
Hurricane
and even civil unrest in the larger cities
etc. -

and you/ your family will be prepared should the day arise that zombies begin making their way down your street.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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I know in my area people would come together and help each other. I have no doubt. But there are areas that will not and they won't act civilized. It all depends on the area and how people were brought up. If its a peaceful, low crime, caring place now, people will help each other through it. If its a violent dog eat dog area, expect worse if shtf.
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I have seen 'prep advisors' say that you should experience hunger, real hunger so you'll know the mindset of a hungry person demanding (or begging) for your food. Real hunger meaning to go without eating for 24 - 36 hours.

You might think, oh, this guy 'just' wants some food. No, he will have no reservations about killing you for your food and you must be prepared to kill him first.

I'm not a hard ass and I would be hard pressed to kill another person. I hope to keep a low profile and avoid that situation.
 Quoting: Real list


Absolutely, and we teach that very line of thought.

We here in the US have been blessed with enough prosperity to allow for apathy, greed, and complacency to take hold, while also destroying drive, work ethic, and initiative necessary to prepare for the future of one's self and family.

Essentially; the vast majority of people have no clue what TRUE hunger is, nor the effects on the mind & body. I'm not referring to an afternoon stretch to dinner because you missed lunch. I'm referring to real hunger. To watching your children cry from hunger (or thirst). To attempt to secure some sort of food for yourself and family, all the while expending even more calories in your search.

Then add in the cold, the wet, the dark, and the overwhelming stress that grows minute by minute as you look into the hungry eyes of your spouse and children.

There is a great humbling headed our way, and I assure you it will not be a nice process.
 Quoting: ClydeX



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28767151


Ironically, most of those whom many consider as "rich" will not fair as well in a long-term situation as being discussed here.

Those from a rural/ agrarian background will be much more suited to live through such event. The reason(s) for this are skill sets (life skills, as we label them), as well as having a familiarity with growing, hunting, preparing, storing, and even rationing food, in conjunction with "tightening the belt" when things are lean.

Time and exposure - those are the two keys to crating competence and skill sets. Affluence, even though it may create the possibilities for a warehouse of food and supplies, and even open opportunities of attending training courses and classes, in and of itself cannot provide these.

If I were to label the greatest move towards one becoming TRULY prepared, it would stem from arriving at and recognizing a point that one understands what they do not know, what they need to learn, and doing what is possible for them personally in order to increase their time and exposure of not only learning these aforementioned life skills, but also becoming well-versed in their use and application under adverse, trying conditions.
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You are right that some in rural ares will have the skills and wherewithal to feed themselves. What you did not mention is the amount of time/labor to do these things.

An example is on youtube, it took a healthy young man 35 minutes to grind enough wheat into flour for 2 loaves of bread on a mordern manual mill. Then he has to make a fire and watch over the baking process another 1/2 hour or so.

I grow a small garden mainly as a hobby. It takes a lot of hard work with no real guarantee of a crop.

As with most activities, it look easy until you do it.
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If the "Shit Hits The Fan" Worldwide, Humans will already have shown their TRUE COLORS, don't you think?
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Absolutely, and we teach that very line of thought.

We here in the US have been blessed with enough prosperity to allow for apathy, greed, and complacency to take hold, while also destroying drive, work ethic, and initiative necessary to prepare for the future of one's self and family.

Essentially; the vast majority of people have no clue what TRUE hunger is, nor the effects on the mind & body. I'm not referring to an afternoon stretch to dinner because you missed lunch. I'm referring to real hunger. To watching your children cry from hunger (or thirst). To attempt to secure some sort of food for yourself and family, all the while expending even more calories in your search.

Then add in the cold, the wet, the dark, and the overwhelming stress that grows minute by minute as you look into the hungry eyes of your spouse and children.

There is a great humbling headed our way, and I assure you it will not be a nice process.
 Quoting: ClydeX



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28767151


Ironically, most of those whom many consider as "rich" will not fair as well in a long-term situation as being discussed here.

Those from a rural/ agrarian background will be much more suited to live through such event. The reason(s) for this are skill sets (life skills, as we label them), as well as having a familiarity with growing, hunting, preparing, storing, and even rationing food, in conjunction with "tightening the belt" when things are lean.

Time and exposure - those are the two keys to crating competence and skill sets. Affluence, even though it may create the possibilities for a warehouse of food and supplies, and even open opportunities of attending training courses and classes, in and of itself cannot provide these.

If I were to label the greatest move towards one becoming TRULY prepared, it would stem from arriving at and recognizing a point that one understands what they do not know, what they need to learn, and doing what is possible for them personally in order to increase their time and exposure of not only learning these aforementioned life skills, but also becoming well-versed in their use and application under adverse, trying conditions.
 Quoting: ClydeX


You are right that some in rural ares will have the skills and wherewithal to feed themselves. What you did not mention is the amount of time/labor to do these things.

An example is on youtube, it took a healthy young man 35 minutes to grind enough wheat into flour for 2 loaves of bread on a mordern manual mill. Then he has to make a fire and watch over the baking process another 1/2 hour or so.

I grow a small garden mainly as a hobby. It takes a lot of hard work with no real guarantee of a crop.

As with most activities, it look easy until you do it.
 Quoting: Real list


You are exactly right -
I did elude to this in an earlier post as "expending more calories".

It is hard work, and hard work seems to be the greatest allergy we've developed.
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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If the "Shit Hits The Fan" Worldwide, Humans will already have shown their TRUE COLORS, don't you think?
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Sure, if it is caused by economic collapse or war (emp attack). But a meteor impact would be shtf. Or a pole shift.
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I can't wait to see what the all loving christians become...

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The all loving Christians in my neck of the woods pull
together and help each other when disaster strikes.
We are all very well armed hunters, and should we be
attacked by ANY enemy, as in military, or para-military
they would get a guerilla type response from some of
the best sharpshooters I've ever seen.

Does that paint a clear enough picture for you?