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Google is building Skynet (This is the REAL Dec. 21, 2012 Singularity event)

 
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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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By the way these "charts"predicting the next steps in our development are pretty much BS. It is arbitrary, what steps you assume as basics, the timing is less than exact, based on theories and estimates.
whatever

Nonetheless, Skynet might become a useful tool for all of us, even if it will not be used the way it was intended by the "Planners".
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You and I have a difference of opinion on this subject. I think you'd be making a mistake to so quickly discount mine.

1) I absolutely agree that Kurzweil is brilliant, and has, as you correctly state, predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years. My reference to him as a "nutjob" has to do with his vehemently transhumanist agenda, which holds the merging of man and computer as the most-preferred archetype. In Kurzweil's view, the merging of man and machine can only improve humanity, rendering it superior to the humanity we have now. I disagree, strongly.

2) So the Singularity is a given? How are you so sure? No possibility the Singularity is Kurzweil's "bridge too far"? The man can never be wrong? Interesting. He'd be the first.

3) Whether your knowledge of software architecture outstrips my own might be an interesting conversation at some point, and your points about algorithm development and man-machine interfacing are well taken. But actually reaching the Singularity is, to me, a difference in kind, not degree. To believe the Singularity is inevitable, you have to be willing to discount the spiritual nature of humanity. I'm not willing to do that. Kurzweil is.

4) When a computer, any computer, passes the Turing test, call me.

5) If you're referring to Deus Ex Machina, I again think you're misunderstanding my argument. By using the phrase "human advancement", you clearly agree with Kurzweil that humanity needs computer assistance to reach its true potential and is flawed in its current form. Humanity's flaws stem from the heavy hand of our current overlords, not any inherent failing. That's my take, anyway.
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Fair enough.

1) OK.
2) Yes. The Singularity is inevitable unless we become extinct first. When and how it happens are the only questions.
3) It's a difference of degree, like the temperature of a hydrogen atom before it fuses. 1 degree cooler, you have a balloon. 1 degree hotter, you have a fusion warhead.
4) Coming any time now.
5) Deus Ex, yes, typo I fixed. I don't say that computer assistance to reach its true potential. It is, however, the most likely route that is under our physical and intellectual control here in the second decade of the 21st century. It is the purely rational, mechanistic best approach. Whether or not pure rationality and mechanistic existence is philosophically ideal is a totally separate issue. Kurzweil, working under the assumption that is, is working toward accommodating it as the framework for human advancement.

Good response mate, keep it up.
hf
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Oddly enough I have always thought the singularity or even true turing level artificial intelligence was always an end-time marker.

I can't tell exactly weather your a theist of any sort but I have always thought The "Tower of Babel" gave some hint of what was to come. The interpretation of which depends on how literally you take your biblical text.

Note the Bable story falls in Genesis 11 which I am sure has some significance for our Gematria experts. To quote:

"5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. 8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."

Note here the Lord didn't make them dumb. He didn't make them lame and unable to build. He didn't remove the knowledge of building. He directly effected Communication. It was Language/Communication between each other that made is so that "nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them".

Where I think Kurzweil gets it a little wrong, is the impact of eradicating spoken language, not necessarily the merger of man and machine. Language is currently a phenomenally slow means of communication. When and if we start connecting neurons at light speed it won't be the access to computing resources that causes a "Singularity" (defined as technology accelerating so rapidly we can hardly track it anymore) it will be un-throttled human inter-communication that causes it. In me ever so extrapolating opinion.
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Did Big Bird O.D on a city bench?
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Low-priority decision by the Obamacare death panel.
I think he had a cold.
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Nah, it was bird flu.
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The only event that can stop this inevitable march toward perfect tyranny/neo-sapiens is a solar EMP of Carrington-level proportions.

Thread: WTF!!! is happening with Sun right now check this image from NASA
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Better pray to god day and night that it happens.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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Great Thread, Carshy.........5***** and Greenery incoming!
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The only event that can stop this inevitable march toward perfect tyranny/neo-sapiens is a solar EMP of Carrington-level proportions.

Thread: WTF!!! is happening with Sun right now check this image from NASA
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Better pray to god day and night that it happens.
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I sorta am.

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Great Thread, Carshy.........5***** and Greenery incoming!
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You da man!
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Where I think Kurzweil gets it a little wrong, is the impact of eradicating spoken language, not necessarily the merger of man and machine. Language is currently a phenomenally slow means of communication. When and if we start connecting neurons at light speed it won't be the access to computing resources that causes a "Singularity" (defined as technology accelerating so rapidly we can hardly track it anymore) it will be un-throttled human inter-communication that causes it. In me ever so extrapolating opinion.
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Very good. It will be a combination of the two, I believe. Augmented intellectual capacity and augmented communication bandwidth.
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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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OMG LOL!!! YES!!! THIS THIS THIS
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Spent a lot of time doing object-oriented cloud-based AI modeling, have you?

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I for one welcome our new robotic overlords.
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My computer is 7 years old and it is not a billion times stupider than the newer models.
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My computer is 7 years old and it is not a billion times stupider than the newer models.
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No, but it's at least 1 million times smarter than you.
It's not a linear scale, idiot. It's exponential.
Google it.

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My computer is 7 years old and it is not a billion times stupider than the newer models.
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Stupider.........? Your funny without even trying.
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My computer is 7 years old and it is not a billion times stupider than the newer models.
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Stupider.........? Your funny without even trying.
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Dude, the jokes just write themselves...
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This is actually quite an important subject.

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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Mind = blown
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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Mind = blown
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Thanks bro!
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Thanks bro!
hf
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No problem, your scenario is very intriguing. I am still sort of tripping on it right now.
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Thanks bro!
hf
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No problem, your scenario is very intriguing. I am still sort of tripping on it right now.
 Quoting: HI.Lander


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Welcome to Dec.4, 2012, T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty. The path may include militarized robots under autonomous self-aware AI control which destroy entire human populations.

Have a pleasant journey.

Thread: SKYNET WARNING: New video of DARPA Atlas robot for use in the 2013 and 2014 "live disaster-response challenge events".

Thread: First Skynet will appear in Russia for the first time- in Russia create a control center of all Russian military robots
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Timewave Zero is bollocks though. McKenna arbitrarily set the start date for the last "wave" as the Hiroshima bombing, because he felt it was an "extreme novelty" date.. this was only based on his own intuition. Based on this date, the final timewave cycle would end in MID-NOVEMBER of 2012 (Nov 16th, iirc). When he later learned about the Mayan calendar date of 12/21/2012, he CHANGED the end date of the timewave to match it, again a totally arbitrary adjustment on his part.

Conclusion: Even if you accept McKenna's theories of "novelty", the numbers/dates of the timeline are totally fudged/guesswork on McKenna's part.
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The only event that can stop this inevitable march toward perfect tyranny/neo-sapiens is a solar EMP of Carrington-level proportions.

Thread: WTF!!! is happening with Sun right now check this image from NASA
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Agreed. And I certainly hope it's SOON.
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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Mind = blown
 Quoting: HI.Lander


Ermahgerd! This is exactly right!
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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Mind = blown
 Quoting: HI.Lander


Ermahgerd! This is exactly right!
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Did Big Bird O.D on a city bench?
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Low-priority decision by the Obamacare death panel.
I think he had a cold.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Nah, it was bird flu.
 Quoting: InfiniteTopHat


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Welcome to Dec.4, 2012, T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty. The path may include militarized robots under autonomous self-aware AI control which destroy entire human populations.

Have a pleasant journey.

Thread: SKYNET WARNING: New video of DARPA Atlas robot for use in the 2013 and 2014 "live disaster-response challenge events".

Thread: First Skynet will appear in Russia for the first time- in Russia create a control center of all Russian military robots
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Timewave Zero is bollocks though. McKenna arbitrarily set the start date for the last "wave" as the Hiroshima bombing, because he felt it was an "extreme novelty" date.. this was only based on his own intuition. Based on this date, the final timewave cycle would end in MID-NOVEMBER of 2012 (Nov 16th, iirc). When he later learned about the Mayan calendar date of 12/21/2012, he CHANGED the end date of the timewave to match it, again a totally arbitrary adjustment on his part.

Conclusion: Even if you accept McKenna's theories of "novelty", the numbers/dates of the timeline are totally fudged/guesswork on McKenna's part.
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It was an organic development of a trans-personal, multidimensional calendar of temporal humanity.

You can't expect the same sort of precision in the Timewave Zero effort as you can from, say, Russ's calendar.

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terminator 2 is on right now on amc, been on in the last couple of days
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glp has been so buggy lately, im seeing more n more double posts, even a triple post and the website takes forever to load. i just subscribed for a month so hopefully the servers can be fixed or more are added

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The only event that can stop this inevitable march toward perfect tyranny/neo-sapiens is a solar EMP of Carrington-level proportions.

Thread: WTF!!! is happening with Sun right now check this image from NASA
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Agreed. And I certainly hope it's SOON.
 Quoting: Meow... 3650237


Look at the universe from a top down perspective rather than a bottom up.

If you were God, you would offer freewill, but you'd not waste your time making commandments or laws. You have complete power over everything within the universe, and the ability to be everywhere at once, and within each living being, all at once, preventing complete and total destruction, while also guiding your creation to create everything while you just watch.

The true nature of a kind, good God is that. The God spoken of by most mainstream religions is a humanization and perversion of the concept, driven by ego and a need to be acknowledged and worshiped, despite offering very little to no proof of existence.

Your God wants us to advance on our own, because we are it's entertainment.

And secondly, about the AI part, AI is pretty damn simple in concept. It's abstract programming. Allowing an electrical charge to go wherever it wants, based on the most simple route determined by the charge. Our Brains are nothing more than exceedingly over-complex biological machines reacting to the input of all senses combined while running thousands of biological processes to keep our entire system alive and moving. Programming will NEVER lead to machine consciousness, because it's digital. It will lead to highly advanced AI however that is nearly indistinguishable. You would need an analog neural net, and all you'd need to do is wire it correctly and set it in motion with an initial charge, keep the power running, and it will eventually organize itself intelligently. Once this has been done, it's like a newborn child. It knows nothing. It'll have to learn to interface with reality in whatever way you've given it the physical ability to do.

Intelligence isn't rare at all imo, or unique. More than likely it's just an eventual outcome of all random electromagnetic patterns self organizing to act within some type of rhythm. Stop thinking with your ego. We are not unique snowflakes.
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Artificial Intelligence marks the total absence of Natural Intelligence !
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terminator 2 is on right now on amc, been on in the last couple of days
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