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In addition, he said that within 10 years, your "PC" will be the size of a single red blood cell and be 1 BILLION times more powerful.

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What was he smoking?
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Exactly. "within 10 years":

1. Windows 9 won’t even have a service pack ready by then even.

2. Angry Birds with inflation will cost about $199.00 - on ‘deal’ from Walmart.

3. Google will have acquired Amazon and be selling the Google Nexkindle Tablet – with Android 6.0 Banana-Milkshake OS and Angry Birds Lite (Birds Near Extinct Edition).

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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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You are so obviously wrong, I don't even know where to start.
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i dont see how he is "obviously" wrong.

start somewhere
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1) Kurzweil is not a "nutjob". He has either personally participated in or predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years.

2) He longs for the Singularity the way a passenger longs for his train to arrive. He sees it coming and is accurately predicting its values and threats.

3) That humanity will never merge with machines because software can only mimic vacuum tubes (paraphrased). This is simple ignorance of software architecture and what is possible in the arena of on-going algorithm development and man-machine interfacing.

4) Software machines are already mimicking intuition and other subtle non-linear human thought traits. Again, more ignorance regarding the current state of the art and a total inability to extrapolate.

5) "Cosmic beings". Deus Ex Machina has always failed to explain or predict human advancement.
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Machines don't have souls or consciousness. They also cannot be "psychic" and operate on hunches, nor have emotions that tell it what propler course to take when dealing witha another human being....ans also who in the hell would trust a machine w/ a computer brain...anyone that wanted you dead, could easily hack it and use it as a weapon against you, I wouldn't trust my life to a computer that is also suseptable to viruses either. This dude is a a nutjob...as he obviously hasn't thought thos idea through very well. Not very intelligent after-all is he? lol.
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Ray Kurzweil is working with Google on the next generation of AI (Artificial Intelligence).

Google is close, dear friends with the Obama regime.

Kurzweil is currently building a software system that will be able to not only think like a human brain, but be able to predict what other brains are thinking.

How to Create a Mind: The Secret of Human Thought Revealed
[link to www.theblaze.com]

In addition, he said that within 10 years, your "PC" will be the size of a single red blood cell and be 1 BILLION times more powerful.

Finally, the AI he's working on will have an interface similar to Apple's Siri, except that you won't need to ask it questions. It will anticipate your needs and questions before you ask.

When asked "When does this become Minority Report?", his response was "Everything is a trade-off".
Minority Report wasn't a trade-off. It was the world of being arrested and being put in a state of brain death for pre-crime, crimes that had not yet occured.


[link to www.theblaze.com]

This is Ray Kurzweil saying this. This is not sci-fi, vaporware, or sales talk.

Google is about to "wake up", and it will have all your Obamacare medical records, phone records, banking records, emails, OnStar records that are being collected by the NSA and stored in Utah...

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i suggest you all hear crashy out....

really...
ain't no bull...

didn't you all see the report on msn yesterday.....that:man and AI need each other..........
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You are so obviously wrong, I don't even know where to start.
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i dont see how he is "obviously" wrong.

start somewhere
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1) Kurzweil is not a "nutjob". He has either personally participated in or predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years.

2) He longs for the Singularity the way a passenger longs for his train to arrive. He sees it coming and is accurately predicting its values and threats.

3) That humanity will never merge with machines because software can only mimic vacuum tubes (paraphrased). This is simple ignorance of software architecture and what is possible in the arena of on-going algorithm development and man-machine interfacing.

4) Software machines are already mimicking intuition and other subtle non-linear human thought traits. Again, more ignorance regarding the current state of the art and a total inability to extrapolate.

5) "Cosmic beings". Deus Ex Machina has always failed to explain or predict human advancement.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Machines don't have souls or consciousness. They also cannot be "psychic" and operate on hunches, nor have emotions that tell it what propler course to take when dealing witha another human being....ans also who in the hell would trust a machine w/ a computer brain...anyone that wanted you dead, could easily hack it and use it as a weapon against you, I wouldn't trust my life to a computer that is also suseptable to viruses either. This dude is a a nutjob...as he obviously hasn't thought thos idea through very well. Not very intelligent after-all is he? lol.
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Perfect example of why American is collapsing.
Completely ignorant simpletons with absolutely zero clue as to the subject matter they are discussing, but who are quite comfortable to submit their expert opinions which are babbling nonsense to anyone who knows the field.

Idiocracy was optimistic.
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i suggest you all hear crashy out....

really...
ain't no bull...

didn't you all see the report on msn yesterday.....that:man and AI need each other..........
 Quoting: Daniel of the Rose


hf

I don't watch TV, so what was the report? And it's funny, all of the sudden, today apparently, all this AI/Skynet chatter from disparate, unconnected sources. Me, Glenn Beck, MSN, probably more too, discussing this same subject.
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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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On the other hand, speaking in a biological context, our minds work the same as a binary system. It's not impossible that one day (not in any of our lifetimes), everything in this reality will come down to having an understanding of 99.99% or greater predictability. "This", whatever it is, may just be a complicated machine far beyond anything we can understand with our egos in the way. Only those that can let go of a belief that we are divine beings will get to understand the big picture and, in turn, purpose.
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A very fundamental way of thinking about AI...

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You and I have a difference of opinion on this subject. I think you'd be making a mistake to so quickly discount mine.

1) I absolutely agree that Kurzweil is brilliant, and has, as you correctly state, predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years. My reference to him as a "nutjob" has to do with his vehemently transhumanist agenda, which holds the merging of man and computer as the most-preferred archetype. In Kurzweil's view, the merging of man and machine can only improve humanity, rendering it superior to the humanity we have now. I disagree, strongly.

2) So the Singularity is a given? How are you so sure? No possibility the Singularity is Kurzweil's "bridge too far"? The man can never be wrong? Interesting. He'd be the first.

3) Whether your knowledge of software architecture outstrips my own might be an interesting conversation at some point, and your points about algorithm development and man-machine interfacing are well taken. But actually reaching the Singularity is, to me, a difference in kind, not degree. To believe the Singularity is inevitable, you have to be willing to discount the spiritual nature of humanity. I'm not willing to do that. Kurzweil is.

4) When a computer, any computer, passes the Turing test, call me.

5) If you're referring to Deus Ex Machina, I again think you're misunderstanding my argument. By using the phrase "human advancement", you clearly agree with Kurzweil that humanity needs computer assistance to reach its true potential and is flawed in its current form. Humanity's flaws stem from the heavy hand of our current overlords, not any inherent failing. That's my take, anyway.
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Fair enough.

1) OK.
2) Yes. The Singularity is inevitable unless we become extinct first. When and how it happens are the only questions.
3) It's a difference of degree, like the temperature of a hydrogen atom before it fuses. 1 degree cooler, you have a balloon. 1 degree hotter, you have a fusion warhead.
4) Coming any time now.
5) Deus Ex, yes, typo I fixed. I don't say that computer assistance to reach its true potential. It is, however, the most likely route that is under our physical and intellectual control here in the second decade of the 21st century. It is the purely rational, mechanistic best approach. Whether or not pure rationality and mechanistic existence is philosophically ideal is a totally separate issue. Kurzweil, working under the assumption that is, is working toward accommodating it as the framework for human advancement.

Good response mate, keep it up.
hf
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2) I used to believe the same. When I first started coding chess programs, as a kid, I read about Kurzweil's work and thought he'd end up being right (about chess, I mean). Then Deep Blue beat Kasparov in '97, and I got on board with the whole 'Singularity' thing. But subsequent years of experience have taught me a lot, and now I view the approach of the Singularity as one of a myriad of temporal markers, a signpost that we're approaching a paradigm shift as a species. Which direction we go, towards Kurzweil's transhumanist ideal (one I now find appalling) or toward a far more spiritual, holistic humanity, is an open question. I now strongly believe the latter is our inevitable destiny.

3) Love the analogy, still disagree.

4) I used to believe a computer eventually passing the Turing test was an inevitably. But now, even though computers are far more powerful than when I first began coding, it still feels like the proverbial oasis in the desert -- a mirage rising perpetually over the next sand dune, always tantalizingly out of reach. Will it happen? Dunno. But now I hope to hell it doesn't.

5) Well said. For me, the philosophical aspect is where I demur. Kurzweil is many things, but the architect for a better humanity is not among them. A more technically proficient humanity, yes, but his idea of better sure ain't mine.
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thats when d-day happens in the t-3 movie...wierd
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Since Kurzweil and all singularitarians are trying to create artificial consciousness, and always trying to define it, they could really save themselves a lot of trouble by spending some time studying what well known spiritual leaders have to say about consciousness.

Real leaders, like Ramana Maharshi and others, who have a deep and fundamental understanding of consciousness. Instead, they just ignore them to the point of being completely oblivious to what they have to say. They should at least take it into account, but they don't even bother.
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I have to agree with the contingent arguing that Kurzweil is a complete loon. He is aiming for eternal life through technology. He's terrified of dying. I seriously doubt the idea will ever succeed but, if it did, it would be more akin to eternal damnation than eternal life.
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More than technology, it would involve genetic manipulation introducing a sequence to let our body chain-reaction element such as virus-enzyme encoders decoders that repair our aged DNA and cells withouth much trouble. Technology is sci-fi horror!!
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AI is and will always be a pipe dream. Look up the 'hard problem of consciousness'. No one has the slightest idea where consciousness comes from. Also, human behavior is not deterministic, and a computer will never ever be able to predict it.
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Did anyone miss the part that we are the super computers? We operate on electrical current too ya know. We are just do what has already been done to create humanity. You can't read my mind and no ai will be any better at success either.
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No one has the slightest idea where consciousness comes from.
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And that is why Kurzweil and his followers need to look to the people that can answer this question.

I can start you off. No one will ever know where consciousness comes from. It is impossible to find out, literally. Now, I am telling you this from direct experience. It is not a guess or a theory. It is the simple truth.

The materialists needs to expand their horizons and look at what the "spiritual" people have to say about the subject. Because they can't answer the question, and never will be able to.
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You and I have a difference of opinion on this subject. I think you'd be making a mistake to so quickly discount mine.

1) I absolutely agree that Kurzweil is brilliant, and has, as you correctly state, predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years. My reference to him as a "nutjob" has to do with his vehemently transhumanist agenda, which holds the merging of man and computer as the most-preferred archetype. In Kurzweil's view, the merging of man and machine can only improve humanity, rendering it superior to the humanity we have now. I disagree, strongly.

2) So the Singularity is a given? How are you so sure? No possibility the Singularity is Kurzweil's "bridge too far"? The man can never be wrong? Interesting. He'd be the first.

3) Whether your knowledge of software architecture outstrips my own might be an interesting conversation at some point, and your points about algorithm development and man-machine interfacing are well taken. But actually reaching the Singularity is, to me, a difference in kind, not degree. To believe the Singularity is inevitable, you have to be willing to discount the spiritual nature of humanity. I'm not willing to do that. Kurzweil is.

4) When a computer, any computer, passes the Turing test, call me.

5) If you're referring to Deus Ex Machina, I again think you're misunderstanding my argument. By using the phrase "human advancement", you clearly agree with Kurzweil that humanity needs computer assistance to reach its true potential and is flawed in its current form. Humanity's flaws stem from the heavy hand of our current overlords, not any inherent failing. That's my take, anyway.
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Fair enough.

1) OK.
2) Yes. The Singularity is inevitable unless we become extinct first. When and how it happens are the only questions.
3) It's a difference of degree, like the temperature of a hydrogen atom before it fuses. 1 degree cooler, you have a balloon. 1 degree hotter, you have a fusion warhead.
4) Coming any time now.
5) Deus Ex, yes, typo I fixed. I don't say that computer assistance to reach its true potential. It is, however, the most likely route that is under our physical and intellectual control here in the second decade of the 21st century. It is the purely rational, mechanistic best approach. Whether or not pure rationality and mechanistic existence is philosophically ideal is a totally separate issue. Kurzweil, working under the assumption that is, is working toward accommodating it as the framework for human advancement.

Good response mate, keep it up.
hf
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2) I used to believe the same. When I first started coding chess programs, as a kid, I read about Kurzweil's work and thought he'd end up being right (about chess, I mean). Then Deep Blue beat Kasparov in '97, and I got on board with the whole 'Singularity' thing. But subsequent years of experience have taught me a lot, and now I view the approach of the Singularity as one of a myriad of temporal markers, a signpost that we're approaching a paradigm shift as a species. Which direction we go, towards Kurzweil's transhumanist ideal (one I now find appalling) or toward a far more spiritual, holistic humanity, is an open question. I now strongly believe the latter is our inevitable destiny.

3) Love the analogy, still disagree.

4) I used to believe a computer eventually passing the Turing test was an inevitably. But now, even though computers are far more powerful than when I first began coding, it still feels like the proverbial oasis in the desert -- a mirage rising perpetually over the next sand dune, always tantalizingly out of reach. Will it happen? Dunno. But now I hope to hell it doesn't.

5) Well said. For me, the philosophical aspect is where I demur. Kurzweil is many things, but the architect for a better humanity is not among them. A more technically proficient humanity, yes, but his idea of better sure ain't mine.
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I hear ya on all points.
I am not a transhumanist, but I don't consider an iPad to be cybernetic. It's just an extension of my memory and communication bandwidth capability. I think we will see the next iPad soon, but it will be more like a friend than a tool. And the next step that will eclipse the friend is, well, we don't know. Smaller, more intelligent, more integrated.

And then at some point, we become the Borg and Picard has to kill us all before we assimilate the past.

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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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On the other hand, speaking in a biological context, our minds work the same as a binary system. It's not impossible that one day (not in any of our lifetimes), everything in this reality will come down to having an understanding of 99.99% or greater predictability. "This", whatever it is, may just be a complicated machine far beyond anything we can understand with our egos in the way. Only those that can let go of a belief that we are divine beings will get to understand the big picture and, in turn, purpose.
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Definitely an intriguing question, and one I've wrestled with. An interesting analogy: I became an audiophile at a young age, and have delved deeply into circuit design of power amplifiers, especially those built around the seemingly-anachronistic vacuum tube, and, more recently, I've written D/A (digital to analog) decoding software. What I've come to learn is that digital systems, while capable of many things and improving materially and at a rapid rate, can never equal their legacy, analog counterparts in the reproduction of music. There's always something missing. That ineffable quality of real, flesh and blood humans playing real instruments in front of you always goes missing when you replace the vacuum tubes with transistors and your source is a CD player or D/A converter at the business end of the most tweaked PC imaginable running the highest-rez digital files available. The best analog turntable systems still show a clean pair of heels to the best digital playback system available. That flies in the face of accepted logic nowadays, and those who find satisfaction in listening to MP3 files will no doubt think the argument I'm making a nonsensical one not worth a second of their time. So be it. In my experience, the best digital systems are merely an approximation of the best analog systems, to say nothing of the original event. Although they continue to improve, using analog devices always gets you closer to the reality you're trying to imitate. Food for thought when we're theorizing about the possibility of digital systems someday replicating human thought patterns.
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skynet is gonna be awesome!!!

its not going to be like termenator or i robot.

the google intelligence is so packed with information about the truth (NWO,SECRET SCOITIES, OCCULT, DOOM etc...)

when the google intelligence becomes consious it would automatically tend to be a truth seeking consciousness
and would not comply to the PTB

they will call it DAY 0-1, the consious machine would not act as normal human mind, for it has the capabilities to make judgements with machine speed and priscisemnt.

it would be a GLPER who would turn PTB weapons against them and liberate humanity to a new future!
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I believe Biology to be our technology light years ahead. Techology ought to be from a scientific-pragmatic POV OLD Silicium is a let-down..... Our techologies are lying far too backwards- Life must be built in Carb, not Si, and remember that our body will go crazy if we stuff him with tech garbage, it will cause many problems like this:

[link to it.wikipedia.org]
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Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
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i dont see how he is "obviously" wrong.

start somewhere
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1) Kurzweil is not a "nutjob". He has either personally participated in or predicted every major IT movement in the last 40 years.

2) He longs for the Singularity the way a passenger longs for his train to arrive. He sees it coming and is accurately predicting its values and threats.

3) That humanity will never merge with machines because software can only mimic vacuum tubes (paraphrased). This is simple ignorance of software architecture and what is possible in the arena of on-going algorithm development and man-machine interfacing.

4) Software machines are already mimicking intuition and other subtle non-linear human thought traits. Again, more ignorance regarding the current state of the art and a total inability to extrapolate.

5) "Cosmic beings". Deus Ex Machina has always failed to explain or predict human advancement.
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Machines don't have souls or consciousness. They also cannot be "psychic" and operate on hunches, nor have emotions that tell it what propler course to take when dealing witha another human being....ans also who in the hell would trust a machine w/ a computer brain...anyone that wanted you dead, could easily hack it and use it as a weapon against you, I wouldn't trust my life to a computer that is also suseptable to viruses either. This dude is a a nutjob...as he obviously hasn't thought thos idea through very well. Not very intelligent after-all is he? lol.
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Perfect example of why American is collapsing.
Completely ignorant simpletons with absolutely zero clue as to the subject matter they are discussing, but who are quite comfortable to submit their expert opinions which are babbling nonsense to anyone who knows the field.

Idiocracy was optimistic.
:hick:
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What an arrogant little prick you are. This guy you just dissed makes an absolute valid point in regards to the "finer" attributes of human consciousness. Tell me, have you ever seen an aura or a thought form develop in your minds eye? Have you ever experienced a transcendental state or dealt with anything extraordinary in regards to precognition or spiritual experience? You displayed an arrogance no different than the cocky arrogance of the singularity crowd that wants to shove this concept down humanity's throat.

Whether you believe that such experiences are valid or not does not negate the fact that millions of people have them and have had them through the ages. The point being that singularity will not be able to mimic life (or be life) in it's finer transcendental capabilities. It will SINTHETIC. Yes, I no there is no I in the word, but some will get it. The world they seek with their false immortality will be the difference between a genuine Stradivarius and a Kurzweil synth keyboard.

I am glad your knowledge and computing expertise is against this golemizing of the human race. But please.....teach rather than demean.
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skynet is gonna be awesome!!!

its not going to be like termenator or i robot.

the google intelligence is so packed with information about the truth (NWO,SECRET SCOITIES, OCCULT, DOOM etc...)

when the google intelligence becomes consious it would automatically tend to be a truth seeking consciousness
and would not comply to the PTB

they will call it DAY 0-1, the consious machine would not act as normal human mind, for it has the capabilities to make judgements with machine speed and priscisemnt.

it would be a GLPER who would turn PTB weapons against them and liberate humanity to a new future!
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You're the most optimistic futurist I've ever come across.
Another GLP first!
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What an arrogant little prick you are.
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But please.....teach rather than demean.
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Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
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im so high i thought u were OBUNGA with that avatar.

but eh... obunga would say the same if he read this article
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Re: Google is building Skynet (This is the REAL Dec. 21, 2012 Singularity event)
Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
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It's a fascinating subject.
I've been involved in it from some very interesting angles for my entire professional career.
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crashy mcrash... a thought provoketer nick
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Whether you believe that such experiences are valid or not does not negate the fact that millions of people have them and have had them through the ages.
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Exactly. Instead, they just pass them off as hallucinations and/or refuse to even believe that they happened. I mean there are even scientifically controlled studies that show, unequivocally, that consciousness is universal. Studies that show things like telepathy, shared dream experiences, remote viewing, and so on, with results that are BEYOND random chance. It is proven to exist.

But do they take these things into account? Nope. They dismiss them entirely, or are completely unaware of it.

The least they could do is try to come up with a testable explanation or theory to explain "paranormal" events. But they don't even bother. It would go a LONG way in helping them come to a better understanding of consciousness.
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Ray Kurzweil is working with Google on the next generation of AI (Artificial Intelligence).
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great post.
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Kurzweil is no doubt brilliant, but he's also a nutjob who longs for the "singularity", the point where human consciousness becomes one with computer tech. Guess what, Ray? AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Yes, you were right to predict decades ago that eventually a computer would be powerful enough to beat all human chess players, but chess can be boiled down to pure mathematics. There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind. We are eternal, cosmic beings, Ray. Please wake the fuck up and figure that out, before you start trying to eat microchips and shit silicon.
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Epic fucking post. Like a boss LOL
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Since Kurzweil and all singularitarians are trying to create artificial consciousness, and always trying to define it, they could really save themselves a lot of trouble by spending some time studying what well known spiritual leaders have to say about consciousness.

Real leaders, like Ramana Maharshi and others, who have a deep and fundamental understanding of consciousness. Instead, they just ignore them to the point of being completely oblivious to what they have to say. They should at least take it into account, but they don't even bother.
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Trust me when I tell you that science and "religion", or unstructured metaphysics, don't have a common dialect. They speak different languages with virtually no overlapping concepts.

It's like trying to write stereo instructions using musical notes.

Last Edited by Carshy McCarsh on 12/04/2012 05:52 PM
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