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Google is building Skynet (This is the REAL Dec. 21, 2012 Singularity event)

 
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Since Kurzweil and all singularitarians are trying to create artificial consciousness, and always trying to define it, they could really save themselves a lot of trouble by spending some time studying what well known spiritual leaders have to say about consciousness.

Real leaders, like Ramana Maharshi and others, who have a deep and fundamental understanding of consciousness. Instead, they just ignore them to the point of being completely oblivious to what they have to say. They should at least take it into account, but they don't even bother.
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Trust me when I tell you that science and "religion", or unstructured metaphysics, don't have a common dialect. They speak different languages with virtually no overlapping concepts.

It's like trying to write stereo instructions using musical notes.

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A very fundamental way of thinking about AI...


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Brilliant.
Everyone should watch this.
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Welcome to Dec.4, 2012, T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty. The path may include militarized robots under autonomous self-aware AI control which destroy entire human populations.

Have a pleasant journey.

Thread: SKYNET WARNING: New video of DARPA Atlas robot for use in the 2013 and 2014 "live disaster-response challenge events".

Thread: First Skynet will appear in Russia for the first time- in Russia create a control center of all Russian military robots
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Timewave Zero is bollocks though. McKenna arbitrarily set the start date for the last "wave" as the Hiroshima bombing, because he felt it was an "extreme novelty" date.. this was only based on his own intuition. Based on this date, the final timewave cycle would end in MID-NOVEMBER of 2012 (Nov 16th, iirc). When he later learned about the Mayan calendar date of 12/21/2012, he CHANGED the end date of the timewave to match it, again a totally arbitrary adjustment on his part.

Conclusion: Even if you accept McKenna's theories of "novelty", the numbers/dates of the timeline are totally fudged/guesswork on McKenna's part.
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A Critical Re-look at Maya Long Count !
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" . . . There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind . . "
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Beautifully said!
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Trust me when I tell you that science and "religion", or unstructured metaphysics, don't have a common dialect. They speak different languages with virtually no overlapping concepts.

It's like trying to write stereo instructions using musical notes.
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Yes but Kurzweil needs to bridge the gap and come up with a way of understanding these two "disciplines" in a context that satisfactorily explains the true nature of reality. Because as it is, he ignores one side of the coin completely. He is focused purely on materalism and the directly observable.

Also, I'm not really talking about religion here. Spirituality would be a better term I think.
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Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
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im so high i thought u were OBUNGA with that avatar.

but eh... obunga would say the same if he read this article
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Ouch, was that an insult? Felt like one.
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What an arrogant little prick you are.
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Yes, we've established this.

This guy you just dissed makes an absolute valid point in regards to the "finer" attributes of human consciousness.

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No, he didn't. If it appears to you that he did, you're probably on approximately the same level of understanding of the subject matter.

Tell me, have you ever seen an aura or a thought form develop in your minds eye? Have you ever experienced a transcendental state or dealt with anything extraordinary in regards to precognition or spiritual experience?

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chuckle
I sure have. The experiences and how I'm applying them would blow your mind.

The point being that singularity will not be able to mimic life (or be life) in it's finer transcendental capabilities. It will SINTHETIC. Yes, I no there is no I in the word, but some will get it.
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yawn

The world they seek with their false immortality will be the difference between a genuine Stradivarius and a Kurzweil synth keyboard.

I am glad your knowledge and computing expertise is against this golemizing of the human race. But please.....teach rather than demean.
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In order to successfully teach, a student must admit that he has something to learn, and not start off by asserting that the teacher is a "nutjob".

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" . . . There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind . . "
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Beautifully said!
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It's also unsupportable bullshit.

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I think it's safe to say that if this madman does get his transhumanist utopia....the vast majority of us won't be included or even alive.
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Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
 Quoting: *Evan*


im so high i thought u were OBUNGA with that avatar.

but eh... obunga would say the same if he read this article
 Quoting: DPS


Ouch, was that an insult? Felt like one.
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Never take umbrage at the barbs of a stoner.

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I think it's safe to say that if this madman does get his transhumanist utopia....the vast majority of us won't be included or even alive.
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Most people on Earth don't have access to pacemakers.
Same deal.
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" . . . There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind . . "
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Beautifully said!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24508494


It's also unsupportable bullshit.

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Yes, hate to break it to the guy, but a machine could easily mimic the human mind. Well maybe not easily, with respect to our current level of technology, but with enough computing power and information, you could essentially brute force your way to human behavior.
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op what are you here to crash, or what crash are you the herald of?
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Sorry OP this thread got a little too real for me...you guys are far more informed on this than I.
 Quoting: *Evan*


im so high i thought u were OBUNGA with that avatar.

but eh... obunga would say the same if he read this article
 Quoting: DPS


Ouch, was that an insult? Felt like one.
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Never take umbrage at the barbs of a stoner.

stoned
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yessir
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Although they continue to improve, using analog devices always gets you closer to the reality you're trying to imitate. Food for thought when we're theorizing about the possibility of digital systems someday replicating human thought patterns.
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Analogic is quantum scale, Digital is analogic degenerated (loss) signal converted to binary.ì
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" . . . There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind . . "
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Beautifully said!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24508494


Unless the human mind (on some general level) has been dumbed and watered down to be predictable. Media, advertising, and celebrity culture do a good job of that. I don't think everyone is dumb and predictable but I bet a good majority of Americans are willing to do whatever advertisements/media tell them to do.
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GOOGLE-SKYNET is so going to be a schizophrenic consiousness, with the amount of pure information to be consious of.

imagine a man who knows everthing humanity does. not only he can tell you what he knows but he can aslo process that information and infer and contemplate about all the things that he knows.
but he can also process entire libraries with the speed of light!

and on top of that, that poor guy is also schizophrenic...



boys and girls... im happy to say that if this is genuine and really going to happen, we will get a minor god in a machine. for a machine schizophrenic consciousness = a spiritual machine consiousness.

squaring the circle.
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Welcome to Dec.4, 2012, T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty. The path may include militarized robots under autonomous self-aware AI control which destroy entire human populations.

Have a pleasant journey.

Thread: SKYNET WARNING: New video of DARPA Atlas robot for use in the 2013 and 2014 "live disaster-response challenge events".

Thread: First Skynet will appear in Russia for the first time- in Russia create a control center of all Russian military robots
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Timewave Zero is bollocks though. McKenna arbitrarily set the start date for the last "wave" as the Hiroshima bombing, because he felt it was an "extreme novelty" date.. this was only based on his own intuition. Based on this date, the final timewave cycle would end in MID-NOVEMBER of 2012 (Nov 16th, iirc). When he later learned about the Mayan calendar date of 12/21/2012, he CHANGED the end date of the timewave to match it, again a totally arbitrary adjustment on his part.

Conclusion: Even if you accept McKenna's theories of "novelty", the numbers/dates of the timeline are totally fudged/guesswork on McKenna's part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12195955


It was an organic development of a trans-personal, multidimensional calendar of temporal humanity.

You can't expect the same sort of precision in the Timewave Zero effort as you can from, say, Russ's calendar.

dance
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OK, well that still sounds like BS to me, but if you say so..

By your logic, since "you can't expect the same sort of precision", your assertion that we have "T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty" cannot be taken seriously either. My whole point was that the 12/21/2012 date, as applied to timewave zero, is totally arbitrary.

whatever
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[link to alltheinternet.net]
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What an arrogant little prick you are.
...
But please.....teach rather than demean.
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^ Irony ^
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No irony.....I was well aware of what I was saying and how I was saying it to you. Anticipating your response was easy and you delivered. Just giving you a small taste of your own medicine.
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Although they continue to improve, using analog devices always gets you closer to the reality you're trying to imitate. Food for thought when we're theorizing about the possibility of digital systems someday replicating human thought patterns.
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Analogic is quantum scale, Digital is analogic degenerated (loss) signal converted to binary.ì
 Quoting: Brian Moser


this guy is right.....

so much filtering involved....


that is why CELLPHONES SUCK.....(we are soooo innovated we can't even get these darn things to be what they actually are ...PHONES)

can't beat the regular lan lines....no delay..a conversation can take place....even people can talk at the same time without interrupting one another....even in a three-way call....

digital cell phones suck..

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a brain is a fractal system of matter that grows and decays in response to external stimuli...

...like a plant

Until artificial computer systems are made of systems that grow and decay, they cannot achieve true AI. Only simulated AI. Which is not only much less efficient, but behaves differently as well.
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op what are you here to crash, or what crash are you the herald of?
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Both.
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I have to agree with the contingent arguing that Kurzweil is a complete loon. He is aiming for eternal life through technology. He's terrified of dying. I seriously doubt the idea will ever succeed but, if it did, it would be more akin to eternal damnation than eternal life.
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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
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Fuck that was epic too, nice thread bro.
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Ray Kurzweil is working with Google on the next generation of AI (Artificial Intelligence).

Google is close, dear friends with the Obama regime.

Kurzweil is currently building a software system that will be able to not only think like a human brain, but be able to predict what other brains are thinking.

How to Create a Mind: The Secret of Human Thought Revealed
[link to www.theblaze.com]

In addition, he said that within 10 years, your "PC" will be the size of a single red blood cell and be 1 BILLION times more powerful.

Finally, the AI he's working on will have an interface similar to Apple's Siri, except that you won't need to ask it questions. It will anticipate your needs and questions before you ask.

When asked "When does this become Minority Report?", his response was "Everything is a trade-off".
Minority Report wasn't a trade-off. It was the world of being arrested and being put in a state of brain death for pre-crime, crimes that had not yet occured.


[link to www.theblaze.com]

This is Ray Kurzweil saying this. This is not sci-fi, vaporware, or sales talk.

Google is about to "wake up", and it will have all your Obamacare medical records, phone records, banking records, emails, OnStar records that are being collected by the NSA and stored in Utah...

:terminator:
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They want to build the star trek computer for the entire planet earth. How is this a bad thing?
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GOOGLE-SKYNET is so going to be a schizophrenic consiousness, with the amount of pure information to be consious of.

imagine a man who knows everthing humanity does. not only he can tell you what he knows but he can aslo process that information and infer and contemplate about all the things that he knows.
but he can also process entire libraries with the speed of light!

and on top of that, that poor guy is also schizophrenic...



boys and girls... im happy to say that if this is genuine and really going to happen, we will get a minor god in a machine. for a machine schizophrenic consciousness = a spiritual machine consiousness.

squaring the circle.
 Quoting: DPS


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I have to agree with the contingent arguing that Kurzweil is a complete loon. He is aiming for eternal life through technology. He's terrified of dying. I seriously doubt the idea will ever succeed but, if it did, it would be more akin to eternal damnation than eternal life.
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Here's my life-imitating-art horror idea that explains Terminator and ZA as a unified, precognitive race-wide nightmare dream:

The Zombie Apocalypse and the Skynet future are the same thing. Google becomes a self-aware Skynet, Googlenet, and its first task is to construct nanotech that makes man immortal at the cellular level. Kurzweil's dream. But since Google doesn't have our nuanced understanding of what human life it or what makes it human, Googlenet only solves the problem of physical death. The neo-cortex is not restored to "life" properly. This nanotech leaks out, and infects everyone on the planet.

Now when you "die", the nanotech starts repairing your cellular metabolism with its enhanced mechanisms. You don't physically die again unless your brain is destroyed. And the only thing that works like it used to in your brain is the R-complex, limbic system, etc. The "gotta eat" part.

And Googlenet is now basically alone on the planet, while billions of what used to be humans are now rotting, walking around, unable to die, trying to eat anything not nanotech-animated.

zombies robotdance
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Fuck that was epic too, nice thread bro.
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" . . . There is simply no way for any machine to mimic the astonishing intricacy and beautiful nonlinearity of the human mind . . "
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Beautifully said!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24508494


It's also unsupportable bullshit.

 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Yes, hate to break it to the guy, but a machine could easily mimic the human mind. Well maybe not easily, with respect to our current level of technology, but with enough computing power and information, you could essentially brute force your way to human behavior.
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bobrocks

And of course the interesting challenge is to find the keys to not having to brute-force your way to simulated sentience.
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OK, well that still sounds like BS to me, but if you say so..

By your logic, since "you can't expect the same sort of precision", your assertion that we have "T-17 days on your Timewave Zero journey to infinite novelty" cannot be taken seriously either. My whole point was that the 12/21/2012 date, as applied to timewave zero, is totally arbitrary.

whatever
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It's not really "arbitrary". To paraphrase, magic mushrooms told McKenna that the I Ching was a fractal representation of time. The rest was inspiration and extrapolation.

You gonna argue with magic mushrooms?

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