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I HAD a sister who bought in to their crap and she died because of it.

She refused a blood transfusion that could have saved her life because of that cult of idiots.

That is what they are a CULT!!!

When they knock at my door they do not go away happy but they do go away VERY FAST!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29068536


I am truely sorry for your lost... please note that your sister is asleep in death. I know that no matter what I say you'll probably still hold onto the pain of not having her and for that, again, I am truly sorry as death is mankind's greatest enemy.

If your sister would have accepted a blood transfusion, there is no guarantee that that fact alone would've saved her (ask any doctor/hospital that question and you'll see what I mean... actually, there's a reason why there's a few forms they want you to sign if they do administer blood). Please find solace in the fact that she died faithfully and will be resurrected.

The following is from an email I sent years ago to my family regarding bloodless transfusions. Even from a purely non-JW point of view, blood transfusions are not (and have never been) the best medical option. And for those here on GLP who are "awake" and "aware" of the medical mafia... it shouldn't suprize you to learn the following.

o-----------------------------------------
Thought I'd share this video regarding the US military going bloodless... after having noticed that FOR YEARS many Jehovah's Witnesses were fairing quite well after following the Bible's guidelines to "abstain from blood" (Acts 15:28,29) AND because of the benefits of not using blood in surgeries... less complications, less mortality, less costs, etc. Enjoy!

[link to wn.com]

Englewood hospital in New Jersey pioneered state of the art techniques that virtually eliminate the need for blood in surgery. They became the first hospital in the nation to perform nearly all surgery as BLOODLESS SURGERY ON ALL ITS PATIENTS (not just JWs). In their words "it's the future of medicine... bloodless surgery has resulted in: shorter hospital stays, faster recovery, less risk of complications, fewer post-operative infections". People from around the world - 40 different countries - have been visiting the hospital and being trained to set up similar projects in their countries.
[link to www.englewoodhospital.com]
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Wrong. Acts says not to EAT blood which was done at the time during gladiatorial games. A transfusion is NOT eating blood. Blood is an organ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


The links I provided show a video which mentions that ALL Department of Defense US military branches... Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce... have gone bloodless. Are you disputing that?

Try googling "us military bloodless surgery"

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

If blood tranfusions are so right, why is the DOD running the other way?

And, regarding eating versus infusing intravenously, it doesn't take a doctor to realize that doing or not doing one is quite akin to the other (eg, if your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you consider it ok to take intravenously?)

Do you take vaccines? Why not? Seasoned GLPer I suppose... you've learned a few things here and there regarding them I bet. So, what makes you so sure that blood transfusions are not in the same boat? Blood - often referred to as red gold - is a HUGE money maker for all involved... doctors, hospitals, etc. and what's "best" is they gather it free from well-intentioned folks who have been led to believe they are doing a good deed.
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So using your analogy about abstaining from blood in ALL forms, why is it OK to use blood fractions? Hmmm, could it be due to all the people who have died and lawsuits against the JW's??? Now they say fractions are a conscience decision... my ass... if as you say your god said NO BLOOD in ANY FORM (which is wrong) than why are fractions acceptable? You also realize that meat, even if cooked has blood? You also realize that ORGAN transplants contain BLOOD.
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A bit of history on the Jehovah's Witnesses: CT Russell was a Freemason and is buried with a pyramid on his grave. He believed the end times began in the late 1800's with Christ's invisible return. This was calculated by the measurements of the pyramid (numerology)(The Finished Mystery, published by the WBTS) and that world war II was armageddon. He believed all Jehovah's Witnesses would be resurrected in 1918 but died before 1918. His wife divorced him for cheating on him with their young boarder. This is public record.

The alcoholic lawyer, Rutherford, took over, and turned the organization into a printing empire. He is responsible for the many First amendment court cases they won as well as pushing the no blood policy after WWII. He and other members of the governing body were self appointed anointed channels of the Holy Spirit solely responsible for directing the flock who cannot receive the Holy Spirit, take the Lord's Supper or have a Heavenly hope as they are not worthy.

So what of this great crowd? If they are faithful to the Organization, get baptized, go door to door, bring others to the truth, attend meetings, live a clean life, please the elders, they may be resurrected on Paradise Earth, that is after all non-Witnesses are slaughtered by God on His day of reckoning. Where does Christ fit in? He is God's son, a great teacher, a created being, who was first Michael the archangel.

They are not Christian, by definition, just a NWO cult.
 Quoting: kentoni1


Lol. Another one who did research and didn't go to the bottom of the rabbit hole.

Although Freemasons officially DENY that C.T. Russell was a mason (You will recall, if you ask if one was a mason, they are actually bound to give a straight answer). "Masonic" symbolism was very popular among christian groups around the turn of the century as well, and heck, I know even the pyramids and egypt have more to do with the Bible than even most folks here will ever realise

BUT

for the hell of it, even though it is WRONG, let's even assume that C.T. Russel WAS a mason, just a hypothetical journey..

DID YOU KNOW

that the "Jehovahs Witnesses" to C.T. Russells day were called "International Bible Stundents" and the group "International Bible Stundents" still exists today, wholly split from the actual "JEHOVAHS WITNESSES" ? It is THAT group that STILL follows C.T. Russells (incorrect) doctrines.. so if you want to point a finger at a masonic cult, then go pick on them.

Get your facts, and not just from some Anti-JW spewing idiot . I know them all and all their arguments, I love teaching those twats FACTS.

Forgot my login at the moment, but check my profile, username "r1GGs". The only Karma I ever got was for posting sensible and FACTUAL information about Jehovahs Witnesses. I know them better than they know themselves, and have found every reason to defend them to the utmost.

The Internet is FULL of LIES about them. Doesn't surprise me one bit though - Jesus himself said along the lines of "the moment YOU (his followers) are not at odds with the world, you're doing something wrong" ;)
 Quoting: r1GGs 29005914


Thanks for that. Very insightful. So many people like to pick on JW's but have no idea what they are talking about. They really are one of the best groups out there.
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Uh, whatever... Rutherford did a HOSTILE take over after Russell died. In fact the JW's pretty much adopted all their doctrine (from the IBS). The take over was the reason they split. Ever wonder WHY Rutherford forbid beards and other things common to the IBS? Its because he hated them. Due to Russell shit canning Rutherford from Bethel (gave him money to leave). Ever wonder why during the Great Depression Rutherford had several Rolls Royce cars and a huge house in california that was built to welcome back Isaac, Abraham, and all the other prophets... can you say scam? 99% of the JW's have no freaking clue about their own past...
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What I do is look at what a group is doing NOW. Not where they have come from. It is just like I don't hold a person's past against them. I look to see what that person is doing now. And from what I have been reading JW's are the ones who are following the Bible most accurately.
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I HAD a sister who bought in to their crap and she died because of it.

She refused a blood transfusion that could have saved her life because of that cult of idiots.

That is what they are a CULT!!!

When they knock at my door they do not go away happy but they do go away VERY FAST!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29068536


I am truely sorry for your lost... please note that your sister is asleep in death. I know that no matter what I say you'll probably still hold onto the pain of not having her and for that, again, I am truly sorry as death is mankind's greatest enemy.

If your sister would have accepted a blood transfusion, there is no guarantee that that fact alone would've saved her (ask any doctor/hospital that question and you'll see what I mean... actually, there's a reason why there's a few forms they want you to sign if they do administer blood). Please find solace in the fact that she died faithfully and will be resurrected.

The following is from an email I sent years ago to my family regarding bloodless transfusions. Even from a purely non-JW point of view, blood transfusions are not (and have never been) the best medical option. And for those here on GLP who are "awake" and "aware" of the medical mafia... it shouldn't suprize you to learn the following.

o-----------------------------------------
Thought I'd share this video regarding the US military going bloodless... after having noticed that FOR YEARS many Jehovah's Witnesses were fairing quite well after following the Bible's guidelines to "abstain from blood" (Acts 15:28,29) AND because of the benefits of not using blood in surgeries... less complications, less mortality, less costs, etc. Enjoy!

[link to wn.com]

Englewood hospital in New Jersey pioneered state of the art techniques that virtually eliminate the need for blood in surgery. They became the first hospital in the nation to perform nearly all surgery as BLOODLESS SURGERY ON ALL ITS PATIENTS (not just JWs). In their words "it's the future of medicine... bloodless surgery has resulted in: shorter hospital stays, faster recovery, less risk of complications, fewer post-operative infections". People from around the world - 40 different countries - have been visiting the hospital and being trained to set up similar projects in their countries.
[link to www.englewoodhospital.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032



Wrong. Acts says not to EAT blood which was done at the time during gladiatorial games. A transfusion is NOT eating blood. Blood is an organ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


The links I provided show a video which mentions that ALL Department of Defense US military branches... Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce... have gone bloodless. Are you disputing that?

Try googling "us military bloodless surgery"

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

If blood tranfusions are so right, why is the DOD running the other way?

And, regarding eating versus infusing intravenously, it doesn't take a doctor to realize that doing or not doing one is quite akin to the other (eg, if your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you consider it ok to take intravenously?)

Do you take vaccines? Why not? Seasoned GLPer I suppose... you've learned a few things here and there regarding them I bet. So, what makes you so sure that blood transfusions are not in the same boat? Blood - often referred to as red gold - is a HUGE money maker for all involved... doctors, hospitals, etc. and what's "best" is they gather it free from well-intentioned folks who have been led to believe they are doing a good deed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032


Yes, their view on blood is biblical but not popular as I can fully understand. And looking at one can see where eating it is the same as taking it into the body intravenously. Both ways will save a life.

But there are so many other things out there that the medical industry can use and it makes me mad. Money has been controlling the blood industry. If medical industry really cared about health they wouldn't use blood. I have read where coconut water, sea water and even urine has been transfused to save a person's life but still blood is used. Hopefully that is changing with more blood substitutes.

And the many first century Christians gave up their lives in the arenas when they wouldn't even take a bite of blood sausage. Would they have been ok with taking the blood into their veins? I don't think so. Being a follower of Jesus has never been easy and has led to death on many occasions. But he does promise a resurrection to undo it all.
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Lol. Another one who did research and didn't go to the bottom of the rabbit hole.

Although Freemasons officially DENY that C.T. Russell was a mason (You will recall, if you ask if one was a mason, they are actually bound to give a straight answer). "Masonic" symbolism was very popular among christian groups around the turn of the century as well, and heck, I know even the pyramids and egypt have more to do with the Bible than even most folks here will ever realise

BUT

for the hell of it, even though it is WRONG, let's even assume that C.T. Russel WAS a mason, just a hypothetical journey..

DID YOU KNOW

that the "Jehovahs Witnesses" to C.T. Russells day were called "International Bible Stundents" and the group "International Bible Stundents" still exists today, wholly split from the actual "JEHOVAHS WITNESSES" ? It is THAT group that STILL follows C.T. Russells (incorrect) doctrines.. so if you want to point a finger at a masonic cult, then go pick on them.

Get your facts, and not just from some Anti-JW spewing idiot . I know them all and all their arguments, I love teaching those twats FACTS.

Forgot my login at the moment, but check my profile, username "r1GGs". The only Karma I ever got was for posting sensible and FACTUAL information about Jehovahs Witnesses. I know them better than they know themselves, and have found every reason to defend them to the utmost.

The Internet is FULL of LIES about them. Doesn't surprise me one bit though - Jesus himself said along the lines of "the moment YOU (his followers) are not at odds with the world, you're doing something wrong" ;)
 Quoting: r1GGs 29005914


Thanks for that. Very insightful. So many people like to pick on JW's but have no idea what they are talking about. They really are one of the best groups out there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550123



Uh, whatever... Rutherford did a HOSTILE take over after Russell died. In fact the JW's pretty much adopted all their doctrine (from the IBS). The take over was the reason they split. Ever wonder WHY Rutherford forbid beards and other things common to the IBS? Its because he hated them. Due to Russell shit canning Rutherford from Bethel (gave him money to leave). Ever wonder why during the Great Depression Rutherford had several Rolls Royce cars and a huge house in california that was built to welcome back Isaac, Abraham, and all the other prophets... can you say scam? 99% of the JW's have no freaking clue about their own past...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


What I do is look at what a group is doing NOW. Not where they have come from. It is just like I don't hold a person's past against them. I look to see what that person is doing now. And from what I have been reading JW's are the ones who are following the Bible most accurately.
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Nice, another red herring... so it does not matter if their origins are wrong, or if their current doctrine is wrong, doesn't matter that they started as a business... etc.... just as long as you get that warm fuzzy feeling inside? No logic, no reasoning, just based 100% on emotion? Jesus, no wonder religion attracts those that need a mental crutch...

Well, now that you speak of it, CURRENTLY, the JW's are engaged in a massive child abuse/sex lawsuit out of california. Previous one was settled for tens of millions. Currently the JW's are building a new facility in upper NY at 230 million dollars - WHY, if the end is so urgent? Currently, the governing body has taken over as the ONLY faithful and discrete class, the rest of the 144K mean nothing... currently, they are changing doctrine... shall I go on???
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I am truely sorry for your lost... please note that your sister is asleep in death. I know that no matter what I say you'll probably still hold onto the pain of not having her and for that, again, I am truly sorry as death is mankind's greatest enemy.

If your sister would have accepted a blood transfusion, there is no guarantee that that fact alone would've saved her (ask any doctor/hospital that question and you'll see what I mean... actually, there's a reason why there's a few forms they want you to sign if they do administer blood). Please find solace in the fact that she died faithfully and will be resurrected.

The following is from an email I sent years ago to my family regarding bloodless transfusions. Even from a purely non-JW point of view, blood transfusions are not (and have never been) the best medical option. And for those here on GLP who are "awake" and "aware" of the medical mafia... it shouldn't suprize you to learn the following.

o-----------------------------------------
Thought I'd share this video regarding the US military going bloodless... after having noticed that FOR YEARS many Jehovah's Witnesses were fairing quite well after following the Bible's guidelines to "abstain from blood" (Acts 15:28,29) AND because of the benefits of not using blood in surgeries... less complications, less mortality, less costs, etc. Enjoy!

[link to wn.com]

Englewood hospital in New Jersey pioneered state of the art techniques that virtually eliminate the need for blood in surgery. They became the first hospital in the nation to perform nearly all surgery as BLOODLESS SURGERY ON ALL ITS PATIENTS (not just JWs). In their words "it's the future of medicine... bloodless surgery has resulted in: shorter hospital stays, faster recovery, less risk of complications, fewer post-operative infections". People from around the world - 40 different countries - have been visiting the hospital and being trained to set up similar projects in their countries.
[link to www.englewoodhospital.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032



Wrong. Acts says not to EAT blood which was done at the time during gladiatorial games. A transfusion is NOT eating blood. Blood is an organ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


The links I provided show a video which mentions that ALL Department of Defense US military branches... Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce... have gone bloodless. Are you disputing that?

Try googling "us military bloodless surgery"

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

If blood tranfusions are so right, why is the DOD running the other way?

And, regarding eating versus infusing intravenously, it doesn't take a doctor to realize that doing or not doing one is quite akin to the other (eg, if your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you consider it ok to take intravenously?)

Do you take vaccines? Why not? Seasoned GLPer I suppose... you've learned a few things here and there regarding them I bet. So, what makes you so sure that blood transfusions are not in the same boat? Blood - often referred to as red gold - is a HUGE money maker for all involved... doctors, hospitals, etc. and what's "best" is they gather it free from well-intentioned folks who have been led to believe they are doing a good deed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032


Yes, their view on blood is biblical but not popular as I can fully understand. And looking at one can see where eating it is the same as taking it into the body intravenously. Both ways will save a life.

But there are so many other things out there that the medical industry can use and it makes me mad. Money has been controlling the blood industry. If medical industry really cared about health they wouldn't use blood. I have read where coconut water, sea water and even urine has been transfused to save a person's life but still blood is used. Hopefully that is changing with more blood substitutes.

And the many first century Christians gave up their lives in the arenas when they wouldn't even take a bite of blood sausage. Would they have been ok with taking the blood into their veins? I don't think so. Being a follower of Jesus has never been easy and has led to death on many occasions. But he does promise a resurrection to undo it all.
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Eating is NOT the same as intravenous - please go back to school. Why then do JW's allow BLOOD FRACTIONS??????? ANSWER THAT ONE. You realise that the 1st century xians were burning down pagan temples and responsible for the burning of the library in Alexandria? 1st century Xians are the combination of Constantine merging the pagans and Xians as a new religion to save the empire. Do you know anything about the founding of christanity? I didn't think so.
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Personally, I've never had any problems with Jehovah's witnesses. When I was a teenager, my family had some friends who were JWs, and there was no problem with either side trying to "convert" the other. The common interest was lapidary, and various stones/minerals. They were good people.

We occasionally get JWs who come by our house to "witness." I am not rude, because I respect their belief that they need to witness to those who are not JWs. I do explain that although I respect their beliefs, I have my own and expect them to respect those beliefs as well. I've never had any problems. They agree, and leave a "Watchtower" booklet.
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THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS. THIS IS HOW THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENS.

right then, as if weirdly on queue, there was a knock at my door. which doesn't happen often because i live in the country.

guess who it was?? it was JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

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grizzy Pity, you could have given them a Chick tract. THE CRISIS... [link to www.chick.com]

BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
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The already built shipping container flats look kinda eclectic-funky.
[link to eyeofthefish.org]

edit to add the ones they use for students:

[link to environment.nationalgeographic.com]
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That's more than the homeless get here!

Great idea!
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I am truely sorry for your lost... please note that your sister is asleep in death. I know that no matter what I say you'll probably still hold onto the pain of not having her and for that, again, I am truly sorry as death is mankind's greatest enemy.

If your sister would have accepted a blood transfusion, there is no guarantee that that fact alone would've saved her (ask any doctor/hospital that question and you'll see what I mean... actually, there's a reason why there's a few forms they want you to sign if they do administer blood). Please find solace in the fact that she died faithfully and will be resurrected.

The following is from an email I sent years ago to my family regarding bloodless transfusions. Even from a purely non-JW point of view, blood transfusions are not (and have never been) the best medical option. And for those here on GLP who are "awake" and "aware" of the medical mafia... it shouldn't suprize you to learn the following.

o-----------------------------------------
Thought I'd share this video regarding the US military going bloodless... after having noticed that FOR YEARS many Jehovah's Witnesses were fairing quite well after following the Bible's guidelines to "abstain from blood" (Acts 15:28,29) AND because of the benefits of not using blood in surgeries... less complications, less mortality, less costs, etc. Enjoy!

[link to wn.com]

Englewood hospital in New Jersey pioneered state of the art techniques that virtually eliminate the need for blood in surgery. They became the first hospital in the nation to perform nearly all surgery as BLOODLESS SURGERY ON ALL ITS PATIENTS (not just JWs). In their words "it's the future of medicine... bloodless surgery has resulted in: shorter hospital stays, faster recovery, less risk of complications, fewer post-operative infections". People from around the world - 40 different countries - have been visiting the hospital and being trained to set up similar projects in their countries.
[link to www.englewoodhospital.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032



Wrong. Acts says not to EAT blood which was done at the time during gladiatorial games. A transfusion is NOT eating blood. Blood is an organ.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


The links I provided show a video which mentions that ALL Department of Defense US military branches... Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce... have gone bloodless. Are you disputing that?

Try googling "us military bloodless surgery"

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

If blood tranfusions are so right, why is the DOD running the other way?

And, regarding eating versus infusing intravenously, it doesn't take a doctor to realize that doing or not doing one is quite akin to the other (eg, if your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you consider it ok to take intravenously?)

Do you take vaccines? Why not? Seasoned GLPer I suppose... you've learned a few things here and there regarding them I bet. So, what makes you so sure that blood transfusions are not in the same boat? Blood - often referred to as red gold - is a HUGE money maker for all involved... doctors, hospitals, etc. and what's "best" is they gather it free from well-intentioned folks who have been led to believe they are doing a good deed.
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Who gives a shit. Now you are talking about infectious problems NOT biblical mandate. Stop throwing out the red herrings!!!!!!!

RED HERRING - FAIL, UBER FAIL!!!!!! Alcohol intravenous is sugar based and the body will use it as food - either intravenous or consumed. Blood is an organ, your body does not break down BLOOD into energy when used intravenous or you would be dead already. Blood consumed orally will be digested as any other digestable food. Jesus, do you have an education beyond 5th grade?
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Acts 15:20
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.


So this says to abstain or keep away from blood. It doesn't say it is ok to transfuse it but just don't eat it. It says to not have anything to do with it. There are no gray areas there. And it is not like they don't have alternatives. I have read on the net where they have MANY alternatives to whole blood and its components.
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
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Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
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Wrong. Acts says not to EAT blood which was done at the time during gladiatorial games. A transfusion is NOT eating blood. Blood is an organ.
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The links I provided show a video which mentions that ALL Department of Defense US military branches... Army, Navy, Marines, Airforce... have gone bloodless. Are you disputing that?

Try googling "us military bloodless surgery"

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

If blood tranfusions are so right, why is the DOD running the other way?

And, regarding eating versus infusing intravenously, it doesn't take a doctor to realize that doing or not doing one is quite akin to the other (eg, if your doctor told you to abstain from alcohol, would you consider it ok to take intravenously?)

Do you take vaccines? Why not? Seasoned GLPer I suppose... you've learned a few things here and there regarding them I bet. So, what makes you so sure that blood transfusions are not in the same boat? Blood - often referred to as red gold - is a HUGE money maker for all involved... doctors, hospitals, etc. and what's "best" is they gather it free from well-intentioned folks who have been led to believe they are doing a good deed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1447032




Who gives a shit. Now you are talking about infectious problems NOT biblical mandate. Stop throwing out the red herrings!!!!!!!

RED HERRING - FAIL, UBER FAIL!!!!!! Alcohol intravenous is sugar based and the body will use it as food - either intravenous or consumed. Blood is an organ, your body does not break down BLOOD into energy when used intravenous or you would be dead already. Blood consumed orally will be digested as any other digestable food. Jesus, do you have an education beyond 5th grade?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Acts 15:20
Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.


So this says to abstain or keep away from blood. It doesn't say it is ok to transfuse it but just don't eat it. It says to not have anything to do with it. There are no gray areas there. And it is not like they don't have alternatives. I have read on the net where they have MANY alternatives to whole blood and its components.
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JW's are ALLOWED to take fractions - READ THERE OWN PUBLICATIONS!!!!!!! I don't even believe in the Bible - plagarized crap, but the JW's doctrine ALLOWS for fractions!!!!
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THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS. THIS IS HOW THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENS.

right then, as if weirdly on queue, there was a knock at my door. which doesn't happen often because i live in the country.

guess who it was?? it was JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

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:grizzy: Pity, you could have given them a Chick tract. THE CRISIS... [link to www.chick.com]

BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
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They don't hate Jews or anyone for that matter.
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
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Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
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Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
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12/04/2012 06:27 PM
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Here is a link to some info about blood on their site. It is too time consuming and even technical to get into but the info is there. I am reading more now and it is very interesting.

[link to wol.jw.org]
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12/04/2012 06:28 PM

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So, how many JW bashers on here are celebrating Christmas?
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12/04/2012 06:32 PM
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i'm a Christian, but someetimes I think JW's have it right about celebrating holidays.

As capitalists we sure have screwed up what should be a holy day.
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
 Quoting: Judethz



Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
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No, they don't forbid higher education. They just look at it purposely. I know one who became a medical doctor, another is a nurse, there are lawyers etc. Many do go for tech degrees and schooling that they don't have to spend years/money to attain. Their primary purpose is the preaching work but they do know how to support themselves and will go to school if needed. They value education highly.
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i'm a Christian, but someetimes I think JW's have it right about celebrating holidays.

As capitalists we sure have screwed up what should be a holy day.
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They are right about the holidays. You wouldn't see Jesus celebrating them.
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12/04/2012 06:34 PM

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Seems like we may share the same Liberal loving friends on FB.

I left because i never got a rise out of anyone on anything happening in this world.

You wanted to pass on the news, and you got it.
I love how that works!

The only place i can discuss anything like this is here. My friends and family think our president is being prevented from accomplishing anything because of the Republicans. LOL

My Republican side of the family do not discuss much either. They're too busy.

I hate being so alone!

Last Edited by natasha77 on 12/04/2012 06:34 PM
SPEAK UP. SILENCE IS DEADLY!

I am currently experiencing life at several WTFs per hour.

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Pink Cat, do you have a link for the containers in the Netherlands?

JW's are too braindead to use as info pushers.
I've tried.

Now I just tell them I'm Wiccan when I grow weary of their memorized lines and they run as fast as they can!
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
 Quoting: Judethz



Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
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No, they don't forbid higher education. They just look at it purposely. I know one who became a medical doctor, another is a nurse, there are lawyers etc. Many do go for tech degrees and schooling that they don't have to spend years/money to attain. Their primary purpose is the preaching work but they do know how to support themselves and will go to school if needed. They value education highly.
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OH YES THEY DO FORBID HIGHER EDUCATION. You are completely full of shit. Have you ever served ad Bethel? I have. Were you a CO? I was. What other questions do you have? I know shit on the inner workings, which I know you do not.
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
 Quoting: Judethz



Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
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Wow, you are the one that is not very smart, where did you get that false info?
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12/04/2012 06:38 PM
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The already built shipping container flats look kinda eclectic-funky.
[link to eyeofthefish.org]

edit to add the ones they use for students:

[link to environment.nationalgeographic.com]
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That's more than the homeless get here!

Great idea!
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Yeah, I think they're pretty good too.
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12/04/2012 06:44 PM
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i posted on my fb the links to show that amsterdam is shipping "nuisance" people off to live on the edges of society in "containers"

i posted this and NONE of my sensitive liberal intelligent caring friends said SHIT.

i cried out and said, can anyone see me post? and i recieved a yes from my fb friends. i then gave out the url to what i had posted about the new concentration camps.

NOTHING.

SILENCE.

this was very upsetting to me and i was just about to post to my fb that i was so upset by the silence i was considering leaving and never coming back.

not because of fb but because of my friend's silence.

my heart was tearing in two.

THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS. THIS IS HOW THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENS.

right then, as if weirdly on queue, there was a knock at my door. which doesn't happen often because i live in the country.

guess who it was?? it was JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

anyone of my friends would have taken this as some sort of cosmic JOKE.

i let them in and i told them about the camps being made in amsterdam and i told them to spread the word about this.

the universe works in strange ways.

and right when they sat down on my couch, the scarf i had tied the windchimes with fell off, and the windchimes starting chiming. so whatever juju they got working for them i say ALRIGHTY.

whoever will listen and take ACTION i will work with. if it's jehovah's witnesses then SO BE IT. i am not picky.
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nothing?

Silence?

Wow and all in caps.

Aw Jeez princess, getting upset because you feel no one is listening to you? Wow. How disgusting as we all know the world revolves around you

Fucking hilarious. Keep it up princess. You too could end up on the world comedy festival circuit.

Nothing? Silence? Still pissing myself laughing. Thanks for the great laugh
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thanks, that's a compliment coming from you, A.
a klown i am indeed.

no easter eggs for you this time. yuck it up.

i'll be over here playing with my hula hoop.

:voog:
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i knew that photo would bug you, A.
so thanks for giving me bad karma to show me and everyone, once again, how cowardly you are to not sign your words.

you're the one hiding behind a mask, little hypocrite. i back my words up with my name.

and my face may be aging and perhaps even "ugly" (so it ain't so captain! oh no!) but i know who i am and i know who you are.

and nothing will ever change that.

begone i said.

go make a pentacle in your pancakes, silly goose.
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i posted on my fb the links to show that amsterdam is shipping "nuisance" people off to live on the edges of society in "containers"

i posted this and NONE of my sensitive liberal intelligent caring friends said SHIT.

i cried out and said, can anyone see me post? and i recieved a yes from my fb friends. i then gave out the url to what i had posted about the new concentration camps.

NOTHING.

SILENCE.

this was very upsetting to me and i was just about to post to my fb that i was so upset by the silence i was considering leaving and never coming back.

not because of fb but because of my friend's silence.

my heart was tearing in two.

THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENS. THIS IS HOW THE HOLOCAUST HAPPENS.

right then, as if weirdly on queue, there was a knock at my door. which doesn't happen often because i live in the country.

guess who it was?? it was JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

anyone of my friends would have taken this as some sort of cosmic JOKE.

i let them in and i told them about the camps being made in amsterdam and i told them to spread the word about this.

the universe works in strange ways.

and right when they sat down on my couch, the scarf i had tied the windchimes with fell off, and the windchimes starting chiming. so whatever juju they got working for them i say ALRIGHTY.

whoever will listen and take ACTION i will work with. if it's jehovah's witnesses then SO BE IT. i am not picky.
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Jehovas Witnesses out of place like that are actually NSA agents. It is their cover. Did they seem real to you? This is the second time I have heard this story but my friend who told me it was pretty sure they were NSA. Your government at work protecting and spying on you.
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Pink Cat, do you have a link for the containers in the Netherlands?

JW's are too braindead to use as info pushers.
I've tried.

Now I just tell them I'm Wiccan when I grow weary of their memorized lines and they run as fast as they can!
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no, i have links to photos, just the articles that have been mentioned.
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Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


No, they don't forbid higher education. They just look at it purposely. I know one who became a medical doctor, another is a nurse, there are lawyers etc. Many do go for tech degrees and schooling that they don't have to spend years/money to attain. Their primary purpose is the preaching work but they do know how to support themselves and will go to school if needed. They value education highly.
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OH YES THEY DO FORBID HIGHER EDUCATION. You are completely full of shit. Have you ever served ad Bethel? I have. Were you a CO? I was. What other questions do you have? I know shit on the inner workings, which I know you do not.
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You aren't going to get kicked out for higher education. I know many of their young people that are in college or in tech schools.

But what I do know is that they teach the truth about lies such as hellfire, the trinity, immortality of the soul, etc. And they are right about the paradise earth that the bible speaks of but which you won't hear about in churches. I have looked. Plus they stay out of war and politics. That is a big bonus in my book because they actually follow Jesus' mandates to love their enemy and pray for those persecuting them.

Have they got their problems. You bet. The ancient Israelites had HUGE problems but God still used them. If you are looking for perfection on this earth or in what is called God's organization you will never find it. Satan is trying to screw it up as well I would guess.

I know that Jesus tried to stumble people when he said that they would have to eat his flesh and drink his blood and he watched many leave him. He only wanted the die hards that stuck around to see what in the heck he was talking about. And I bet he does that today with all the flip flops and troubles they are experiencing now. They really do have the best truth out there that is bible based because I haven't found anyone else out there. And I am not surprised at the many troubles they have as well. They would be a huge target of Satan. Looks like they are.
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i posted on my fb the links to show that amsterdam is shipping "nuisance" people off to live on the edges of society in "containers"

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blinker I know it's not a very nice solution, but the people shipped off where not chosen because of who they are. They where chosen because of what they did. One evil minded family can quite easily make life a misery for a thousand law abiding neighbours. And so far I've not heard of any better way to solve the problem immediately.

By which I mean that it's not acceptable for the bad behaviour to continue while social workers or whoever try to "work through" the families problems.
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BTW They hate the Jews because they claim that they will be the 144,000 of the tribes of Judah. In other words they want to steal what God has promised to the Jews.

I had the landlord put up a NO CANVASSING sign several years ago because they and the Mormons where ringing the doorbells all the bloody time.
 Quoting: Judethz



Kind ironic since you do the same thing!

You should use the opportunity to have a Bible study with an one ready to do just that at your home.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29002615


Why? JW's have an average IQ of 60... they forbid higher education, or working ahead... nothing but deadbeats...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3558872


Generalize much?
Hmm, now what does that line of reasoning remind me of? Oh yeah...

"Now when they [the religious leaders] beheld the outspokenness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were men unlettered and ordinary, they got to wondering" (Acts 4:13)

"For YOU behold his calling of YOU, brothers, that not many wise in a fleshly way were called, not many powerful, not many of noble birth; but God chose the foolish things of the world, that he might put the wise men to shame; and God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put the strong things to shame; and God chose the ignoble things of the world and the things looked down upon, the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are, in order that no flesh might boast in the sight of God." (1 Cor 1:26-29)

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