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Obama's Tax Proposal a Sham

 
Burt Gummer

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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


You're so ignorant. Reagan reduced % and created way more jobs while bringing in MORE tax revenue.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Amazing all the lying and revisionist history these LEFTY NUTS try to get away with isn't it?
I'm convinced...these people are truly evil and have sold their souls.

Sick.

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I agree with this. Who are the 'they' you are referring to, though? The O administration, or top illuminists?

This leads to an interesting question -To what degree are Obama and his advisors being guided by Rothschild & Co.? Are they controlling every step of this fiscal cliff fiasco, or merely just watching from the sidelines?

Forgive me if this topic has already been discussed, I am new on GLP.
 Quoting: Uke


THEY are the current Liberals, Socialists and outright Communists in control of the USA.

They are Obama's Czars and Marxist minions doing all his dirty work while he plays golf and community organizes, and Moochelle goes on spending sprees with taxppayer $$$.


retread
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Ok, so what about my second question..?
 Quoting: Uke


Who cares at this point in the USA's demise if they are being guided.
This potential has been discussed here at length already....WHEN IT MATTERED and something could be done about it.

Now....why discuss something that cannot be changed?

soross
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


You sound like Glenn Beck. We need to put the blame where the blame is due and not be gatekeepers like so much of the mainstream media. This is a big part of the problem.hiding
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I agree with this. Who are the 'they' you are referring to, though? The O administration, or top illuminists?

This leads to an interesting question -To what degree are Obama and his advisors being guided by Rothschild & Co.? Are they controlling every step of this fiscal cliff fiasco, or merely just watching from the sidelines?

Forgive me if this topic has already been discussed, I am new on GLP.
 Quoting: Uke


THEY are the current Liberals, Socialists and outright Communists in control of the USA.

They are Obama's Czars and Marxist minions doing all his dirty work while he plays golf and community organizes, and Moochelle goes on spending sprees with taxppayer $$$.


retread
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Ok, so what about my second question..?
 Quoting: Uke


Who cares at this point in the USA's demise if they are being guided.
This potential has been discussed here at length already....WHEN IT MATTERED and something could be done about it.

Now....why discuss something that cannot be changed?

soross
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


IT CAN BE CHANGED.
For Americans only.

Here's how.
Everyone, start a manufacturing business, even if it
is on your kitchen table.
Market your product direct for cash or trade.
At the same time, stop using credit and stop using banks.
Keep a ledger FOR YOURSELF. THAT IS YOUR BANK.
Declare sovereignty and stop all communication with
the IRS.
If you have a job, taxes will be taken out.
No problem. Just make sure they can never claim you
owe anything and stop filing.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT OWE MONEY THEY DID NOT
COMMIT TO BORROWING. THE DEBT, IS NOT YOUR DEBT.
IT'S THEIR DEBT. THEY ARE EXTRACTING PAYMENT FROM YOU
FOR IT, WITH TAXES, FINES AND LICENSING.

PULL THE DAMN PLUG. THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

It is not as easy as it sounds, because there are
emotional ramifications for unplugging. You are trained
by public education to feel proud of yourself for
working the job, getting the paycheck, divying it up
to various creditors, and are trained to have personal
satisfaction from that, even if you can't buy a
latte with the money left over.

You have to learn to be proud of yourself for developing
yourself independently, as a manufacturer and be proud of
yourself for the sacrifice it takes.

(Service is okay but not as expandable and lucrative
as manufacturing)

PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
Janus198
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THEY are the current Liberals, Socialists and outright Communists in control of the USA.

They are Obama's Czars and Marxist minions doing all his dirty work while he plays golf and community organizes, and Moochelle goes on spending sprees with taxppayer $$$.


retread
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


Ok, so what about my second question..?
 Quoting: Uke


Who cares at this point in the USA's demise if they are being guided.
This potential has been discussed here at length already....WHEN IT MATTERED and something could be done about it.

Now....why discuss something that cannot be changed?

soross
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


IT CAN BE CHANGED.
For Americans only.

Here's how.
Everyone, start a manufacturing business, even if it
is on your kitchen table.
Market your product direct for cash or trade.
At the same time, stop using credit and stop using banks.
Keep a ledger FOR YOURSELF. THAT IS YOUR BANK.
Declare sovereignty and stop all communication with
the IRS.
If you have a job, taxes will be taken out.
No problem. Just make sure they can never claim you
owe anything and stop filing.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT OWE MONEY THEY DID NOT
COMMIT TO BORROWING. THE DEBT, IS NOT YOUR DEBT.
IT'S THEIR DEBT. THEY ARE EXTRACTING PAYMENT FROM YOU
FOR IT, WITH TAXES, FINES AND LICENSING.

PULL THE DAMN PLUG. THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

It is not as easy as it sounds, because there are
emotional ramifications for unplugging. You are trained
by public education to feel proud of yourself for
working the job, getting the paycheck, divying it up
to various creditors, and are trained to have personal
satisfaction from that, even if you can't buy a
latte with the money left over.

You have to learn to be proud of yourself for developing
yourself independently, as a manufacturer and be proud of
yourself for the sacrifice it takes.

(Service is okay but not as expandable and lucrative
as manufacturing)

PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
 Quoting: Janus198


This is so right on, nicely said. Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people who worship at the alter of this system.
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12/04/2012 06:41 PM
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Democrats countered that the one-year savings from ending the cuts for the rich may not be much, but that those savings would grow over time, bringing more than $800 billion into the U.S. Treasury by the end of the decade.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
Burt Gummer

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Ok, so what about my second question..?
 Quoting: Uke


Who cares at this point in the USA's demise if they are being guided.
This potential has been discussed here at length already....WHEN IT MATTERED and something could be done about it.

Now....why discuss something that cannot be changed?

soross
 Quoting: Burt Gummer


IT CAN BE CHANGED.
For Americans only.

Here's how.
Everyone, start a manufacturing business, even if it
is on your kitchen table.
Market your product direct for cash or trade.
At the same time, stop using credit and stop using banks.
Keep a ledger FOR YOURSELF. THAT IS YOUR BANK.
Declare sovereignty and stop all communication with
the IRS.
If you have a job, taxes will be taken out.
No problem. Just make sure they can never claim you
owe anything and stop filing.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT OWE MONEY THEY DID NOT
COMMIT TO BORROWING. THE DEBT, IS NOT YOUR DEBT.
IT'S THEIR DEBT. THEY ARE EXTRACTING PAYMENT FROM YOU
FOR IT, WITH TAXES, FINES AND LICENSING.

PULL THE DAMN PLUG. THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO.

It is not as easy as it sounds, because there are
emotional ramifications for unplugging. You are trained
by public education to feel proud of yourself for
working the job, getting the paycheck, divying it up
to various creditors, and are trained to have personal
satisfaction from that, even if you can't buy a
latte with the money left over.

You have to learn to be proud of yourself for developing
yourself independently, as a manufacturer and be proud of
yourself for the sacrifice it takes.

(Service is okay but not as expandable and lucrative
as manufacturing)

PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
PULL THE PLUG.
 Quoting: Janus198


This is so right on, nicely said. Unfortunately, there are too many stupid people who worship at the alter of this system.
 Quoting: Uke


Yeah...that's great until the IRS goonsquad comes and take your assets as payment.
AND....at least 1/2 of America is too LAZY start a business like you suggest.
They want to live off YOU and ME.

You guys live in an alternate reality. crazy


Brilliant. norespect

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this is why he wants to confiscate all 401k's and IRA's
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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up. The Government must spend less and increase revenue (taxes). Although it isn't preferable to raise taxes during bad economic times this is the problem we face from too much Republican spending coupled with tax cuts. Now the only group able to absorb an increase in taxes is the group that has benefited the most from those cuts.
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5stars

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Tell me what this tastes like...
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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up.
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lolatu

No, it doesn't.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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Democrats countered that the one-year savings from ending the cuts for the rich may not be much, but that those savings would grow over time, bringing more than $800 billion into the U.S. Treasury by the end of the decade.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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I hope you don't believe these idiots

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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up.
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lolatu

No, it doesn't.
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Yes it does. It's called math.
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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


Maybe, but when spending through the roof is actually costing more than the entire countries income, taxes are NOT the problem.

Even raising everyone's income taxes to nearly fifty percent, it still would NOT offset the cost this administration is creating.

If you spend more than you earn, creditors take back what you can't afford. When Obama spends more than it receives, he creates class warfare.
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Background of my avatar: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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How is this clown still in office?
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Massive vote fraud coupled with Obama phone owners.
Tell me what this tastes like...
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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up. The Government must spend less and increase revenue (taxes). Although it isn't preferable to raise taxes during bad economic times this is the problem we face from too much Republican spending coupled with tax cuts. Now the only group able to absorb an increase in taxes is the group that has benefited the most from those cuts.
 Quoting: Major_Pane 29094293


Liberal logic:

Expenses: $2000 a year
Income: $1000 a year
Proposed increase in income: $80

Therefore in 10 years we'll make $800!

No.....in 10 years you'll be $9200 more in debt.

You have to cut expenses. It doesn't "add up" when you go slightly less into the hole. That kind of accounting would land a normal person in prison.
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this is why he wants to confiscate all 401k's and IRA's
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OH yeah....that IS coming soon too.
The Socialist government goons WANT YOUR MONEY.

Now Obama wants your 401(k)
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401K


Listen to Mark.....he nails it spot on.

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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


Maybe, but when spending through the roof is actually costing more than the entire countries income, taxes are NOT the problem.

Even raising everyone's income taxes to nearly fifty percent, it still would NOT offset the cost this administration is creating.

If you spend more than you earn, creditors take back what you can't afford. When Obama spends more than it receives, he creates class warfare.
 Quoting: 071676


Obama is a Fiscal Conservative compared to Reagan and Bush W. Most of the debt we have is from old obligations. You don't just run up a credit card and hand it to someone else and say "look at all that money you spent." Clinton was the only President in resent memory that had a plan to pay down the debt. Obama is using that same formula and if given enough time it will pay off. Look at the past forty years and see who you should trust.
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We're fucked regardless...

The fix is in...

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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up.
 Quoting: Major_Pane 29094293


lolatu

No, it doesn't.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Yes it does. It's called math.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29094293


It is also math when Obama takes money he is borrowing to pay for wars and uses it for something else. It is still math, but when you borrow it, it is NOT saving any money. Stealing it from your children, grandchildren, and now great-grandchildren is NEVER a policy for growth!
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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up. The Government must spend less and increase revenue (taxes). Although it isn't preferable to raise taxes during bad economic times this is the problem we face from too much Republican spending coupled with tax cuts. Now the only group able to absorb an increase in taxes is the group that has benefited the most from those cuts.
 Quoting: Major_Pane 29094293


Liberal logic:

Expenses: $2000 a year
Income: $1000 a year
Proposed increase in income: $80

Therefore in 10 years we'll make $800!

No.....in 10 years you'll be $9200 more in debt.

You have to cut expenses. It doesn't "add up" when you go slightly less into the hole. That kind of accounting would land a normal person in prison.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16720032


You are only looking at one side. All options must be used. The only way to pay down the National debt is hold down costs until the economy recovers. Once the economy turns around revenue will increase enough to make a difference. To say we shouldn't try to increase revenue now is just being short sighted. Increase income and reduce spending to a reasonable level. Once the Economy rebounds use that income to pay down the debt. Don't do what Bush W. did and blow it all on tax cuts and Wars.
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Although it might not sound like much, over time ending the tax cuts for the top 2% does add up.
 Quoting: Major_Pane 29094293


lolatu

No, it doesn't.
 Quoting: Carshy McCarsh


Yes it does. It's called math.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29094293


It is also math when Obama takes money he is borrowing to pay for wars and uses it for something else. It is still math, but when you borrow it, it is NOT saving any money. Stealing it from your children, grandchildren, and now great-grandchildren is NEVER a policy for growth!
 Quoting: 071676


All Government spending cannot stop. You can only manage your spending. Governments must look ahead decades not just yearly. If you cut spending in the wrong place it could affect revenue down the road. The right kind of spending can increase monetary intake in the long term.
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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


Maybe, but when spending through the roof is actually costing more than the entire countries income, taxes are NOT the problem.

Even raising everyone's income taxes to nearly fifty percent, it still would NOT offset the cost this administration is creating.

If you spend more than you earn, creditors take back what you can't afford. When Obama spends more than it receives, he creates class warfare.
 Quoting: 071676


Obama is a Fiscal Conservative compared to Reagan and Bush W. Most of the debt we have is from old obligations. You don't just run up a credit card and hand it to someone else and say "look at all that money you spent." Clinton was the only President in resent memory that had a plan to pay down the debt. Obama is using that same formula and if given enough time it will pay off. Look at the past forty years and see who you should trust.
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iamwith
ya clinton did that with SS and look where that got us. You leftys still think that just because some of us refute your evidence with contradictary evidence that we all must be righty republicans towing the company line. I really laugh at the thought of Obama being a fiscal conservative. Remember it wasn't just repubs that did all the voting the demons did some of that as well. Look at the healthcare bill and read it. I remember a certain Nazi Paylosi saying we have to pass it to know what is in it, did you forget about fanni mae and freddy mac. What about Glass steagal. WAKE UP AMERICA
WAKE UP AMERICA
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

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"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


Maybe, but when spending through the roof is actually costing more than the entire countries income, taxes are NOT the problem.

Even raising everyone's income taxes to nearly fifty percent, it still would NOT offset the cost this administration is creating.

If you spend more than you earn, creditors take back what you can't afford. When Obama spends more than it receives, he creates class warfare.
 Quoting: 071676


Obama is a Fiscal Conservative compared to Reagan and Bush W. Most of the debt we have is from old obligations. You don't just run up a credit card and hand it to someone else and say "look at all that money you spent." Clinton was the only President in resent memory that had a plan to pay down the debt. Obama is using that same formula and if given enough time it will pay off. Look at the past forty years and see who you should trust.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29094293


Clinton was president during the greatest increase of personal monetary growth in the history of the country, created by the dot.com industries. He couldn't fail, even though he tried. Newt forced Clinton to accept rules that brought about financial stability. Obama refuses to accept any financial stability because he thinks he is a genius, and knowing more than anyone else, all of which is a lie.

Obama can never be confused to being a "financial conservative". Not with the gross amounts of money he is throwing away for unsocial social programs that only benefit his non-working drones. Your BS saying that it was all the republicans or someone else's fault only show proof that you are refusing to accept the truth because it does NOT support what Obama is actually doing!

Prove to yourself that you actually have a brain that works. Look at what he HAS done, compared to what he claims he has done. No where in the entire history of our country has any one person done more damage to this country then Obama! Those are facts! NOT opinions. But then, no liberal is ever going to accept facts when they get in the way of Obama adoration!
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more bullshit, bought and paid for by the billionaire party.

taxes are way lower now than under Reagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1764985


Maybe, but when spending through the roof is actually costing more than the entire countries income, taxes are NOT the problem.

Even raising everyone's income taxes to nearly fifty percent, it still would NOT offset the cost this administration is creating.

If you spend more than you earn, creditors take back what you can't afford. When Obama spends more than it receives, he creates class warfare.
 Quoting: 071676


Obama is a Fiscal Conservative compared to Reagan and Bush W. Most of the debt we have is from old obligations. You don't just run up a credit card and hand it to someone else and say "look at all that money you spent." Clinton was the only President in resent memory that had a plan to pay down the debt. Obama is using that same formula and if given enough time it will pay off. Look at the past forty years and see who you should trust.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29094293


Clinton was president during the greatest increase of personal monetary growth in the history of the country, created by the dot.com industries. He couldn't fail, even though he tried. Newt forced Clinton to accept rules that brought about financial stability. Obama refuses to accept any financial stability because he thinks he is a genius, and knowing more than anyone else, all of which is a lie.

Obama can never be confused to being a "financial conservative". Not with the gross amounts of money he is throwing away for unsocial social programs that only benefit his non-working drones. Your BS saying that it was all the republicans or someone else's fault only show proof that you are refusing to accept the truth because it does NOT support what Obama is actually doing!

Prove to yourself that you actually have a brain that works. Look at what he HAS done, compared to what he claims he has done. No where in the entire history of our country has any one person done more damage to this country then Obama! Those are facts! NOT opinions. But then, no liberal is ever going to accept facts when they get in the way of Obama adoration!
 Quoting: 071676


He can't the kool-aid is so sweet and yummy. facts they are over rated anyways when theycan just pull them out of their asses. WAKE UP AMERICA
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"I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress, and grow brave by reflection. 'Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death."
Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 1, December 19, 1776
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom, must, like men, undergo the fatigues of supporting it."

Thomas Paine, The American Crisis, No. 4, September 11, 1777
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power (of money) should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs." -- Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President.
"A majority of the people of the United States have lived all of their lives under emergency rule. For 40 years, [79 years now in 2012] freedoms and governmental procedures guaranteed by the Constitution have in varying degrees been abridged by laws brought into force by statutes of national emergency."
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Pfft. I somehow missed that article...thanks.

Just let it collapse.
Protect / insulate yourselves and family from what is coming.

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lolatu

No, it doesn't.
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Yes it does. It's called math.
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It is also math when Obama takes money he is borrowing to pay for wars and uses it for something else. It is still math, but when you borrow it, it is NOT saving any money. Stealing it from your children, grandchildren, and now great-grandchildren is NEVER a policy for growth!
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All Government spending cannot stop. You can only manage your spending. Governments must look ahead decades not just yearly. If you cut spending in the wrong place it could affect revenue down the road. The right kind of spending can increase monetary intake in the long term.
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Then fine, look at the spending at the rate it is right now, compared to what it will be in ten years at the current rate. Base this on the fact that Obama claimed that it was all Bushes fault. Now that Obama can no longer use Bush as his punching bag, but only his own administration, how much is it going to cost the American Taxpayers to fix Obama's lack of responsibility?

Using these as a basis for future spending, in ten years time it will take at least twice the entire countries income to pay for one year of government services. You do the math.

If it was suppose to cost $800,000,000,000 to help start the economy from Bush, (where the unemployment was lower, costs were lower, expenses for domestic and foreign costs were lower) how much will of a financial package will it be to help start the economy from Obama?
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I just hope most on here are preparing for the math to finally catch up to the politicos

How are you preparing?
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I've been prepared for years. I'm out in Idaho and when SHTF, we are on our own. People pull together out here. Not a lot of "diversity" to go up in flames when the bread and circuses end.

I don't rely on the federal government, so I won't be impacted when they fall. I've got enough food to last a month or more (plus fat stores) and can always hunt or fish more. I've got a network of redneck friends and a few of them would benefit from a system collapse because then they could get off the pills and start living again.

Take a look at a county-by-county map of where Obama won and that's where the rioting will be. I'm nowhere near it. Anyone who is in one of these zones needs a bug-out plan.

They will let us go off the "cliff". Taxes will be raised on everyone, followed by a ramp-up of the ongoing tax revolt. It will become plain by late Spring that there is no political solution.

I don't see the collapse of the dollar as ushering in a "New World Order". I see it as the fall of the NWO. Likely they will try some distraction (attack on Iran, after a false-flag op) which will only get egg on their faces. Eventually, I see things settling down on a local level, with a return to a national manufacturing base instead of the globalist model.

It will be an interesting few years. I also have Canadian citizenshipCanadian F and that is an option as well.
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Add to this the majority of the Feds printing to buy our own treasury bills - and to the banks - where is the help for the average citizen?

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If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.

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